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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on March 11, 2009, 12:04:35 PM
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From Alan Corwin's Newsletter
10- Freest States Identified
The lamestream media told you:
Nothing.
The Uninvited Ombudsman notes however that:
The first-ever comprehensive ranking of the American states on their public policies affecting individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres has been released by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University.
"We find that the freest states in the country are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota, which together achieve a virtual tie for first place. All three states feature low taxes and government spending and middling levels of regulation and paternalism. New York is the least free by a considerable margin, followed by New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, and Maryland.
"On personal freedom alone, Alaska is the clear winner, while Maryland brings up the rear. As for freedom in the different regions of the country, the Mountain and West North Central regions are the freest overall while the Middle Atlantic lags far behind on both economic and personal freedom. Regression analysis demonstrates that states enjoying more economic and personal freedom tend to attract substantially higher rates of internal net migration." See the entire ranking, charts and details -- http://mercatus.org/PublicationDetails.aspx?id=26154
I will rather smugly note that New Hampshire tops the list ;D
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Yeah Colorado!
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I always knew that I loved this state (South Dakota) for more than one reason.
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Just checked out the article. No wonder NH tops the list, it was compiled by Jason Sorenson, founder of "The Free state Project", which picked NH as the place they should all move to to affect "political change for freedom". Unfortunately the majority of members SEEM to be ill mannered dope smokers rather than the type of people you would WANT representing freedom.
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Just checked out the article. No wonder NH tops the list, it was compiled by Jason Sorenson, founder of "The Free state Project", which picked NH as the place they should all move to to affect "political change for freedom". Unfortunately the majority of members SEEM to be ill mannered dope smokers rather than the type of people you would WANT representing freedom.
That's part of the reason why there was large number of the "Free State Project" members that decided to start a sperate movement into Wyoming, instead of NH, which is what a majority of the members voted for.
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It appears Florida, and my former state of North Carolina, are in the "median group".
I noticed it right away regarding firearms. Yes its a shall issue state, few restrictions on purchases, the big BUT is actually shooting them. Very, very regulated, almost "coddled" into a systemic mindset.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/map.png)
Interesting data.
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Not to pee on anybody's cheerios, but.....Lets remember that South Dakota just basically voted to deny a woman's right to control her own body. Alaska is basically a parasite on the federal government getting $1.34 in bennies (road and bridge to nowhere?) for every dollar in taxes it pays, plus last I heard they taxed the oil business to "spread the wealth around", in the form of multi thousand dollar checks to every resident. Socialism? Sure, you betch'a! As for NH and colorado? Good On Ya'!!! There are few Libertarians out there.
fightingquaker13
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Anyone that puts PA in the 2nd tier is full of BS. That is a Democrat hell hole. Just look at Philthydelphia. That alone should put them at the bottom.
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Not to pee on anybody's cheerios, but.....Lets remember that South Dakota just basically voted to deny a woman's right to control her own body. Alaska is basically a parasite on the federal government getting $1.34 in bennies (road and bridge to nowhere?) for every dollar in taxes it pays, plus last I heard they taxed the oil business to "spread the wealth around", in the form of multi thousand dollar checks to every resident. Socialism? Sure, you betch'a! As for NH and colorado? Good On Ya'!!! There are few Libertarians out there.
fightingquaker13
Yes the abortion amendment did make it past the house of reps. and it was voted on in the last election, but it was still shot down for the second time. One thing about South Dakota is that a majority of our population lives on the Eastern side of the Missouri River (basically divides the state in half), and a majority of them are liberal. Here on the West side of the river most everyone is extremely conservative. Also for the most part our liberals really aren't as bad as they are in most other states. Our two senators are both democrates, but the are both indorced by the NRA and do a decent job for representing our state. As far as our past lets not get into that because that would bring up Daschle and Janklow. >:(
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Yes the abortion amendment did make it past the house of reps. and it was voted on in the last election, but it was still shot down for the second time. One thing about South Dakota is that a majority of our population lives on the Eastern side of the Missouri River (basically divides the state in half), and a majority of them are liberal. Here on the West side of the river most everyone is extremely conservative. Also for the most part our liberals really aren't as bad as they are in most other states. Our two senators are both democrates, but the are both indorced by the NRA and do a decent job for representing our state. As far as our past lets not get into that because that would bring up Daschle and Janklow. >:(
I think that the South Dakota people who live east of the Missouri River are called Iowans.
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fightingquaker13 Not to pee on anybody's cheerios, but.....Lets remember that South Dakota just basically voted to deny a woman's right to control her own body
Oh yeah that sacred right enshrined in the constitution, that a woman has the right to have her baby, in her womb killed. You know have his or her arms and legs and head ripped off, and then thrown into the trash.
What about the right of the baby to it's life?
By the way as a long time resident of Colorado I find it to be very repressive, what with four levels of government with their faceless bureaucrats using the money that I earned to find ways to control me.
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fightingquaker13 Not to pee on anybody's cheerios, but.....Lets remember that South Dakota just basically voted to deny a woman's right to control her own body
Oh yeah that sacred right enshrined in the constitution, that a woman has the right to have her baby, in her womb killed. You know have his or her arms and legs and head ripped off, and then thrown into the trash.
What about the right of the baby to it's life?
By the way as a long time resident of Colorado I find it to be very repressive, what with four levels of government with their faceless bureaucrats using the money that I earned to find ways to control me.
It's all YOUR fault. If you quit making money for them to take the problem will go away.
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It's all YOUR fault. If you quit making money for them to take the problem will go away.
I'm working on it.
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fightingquaker13 Not to pee on anybody's cheerios, but.....Lets remember that South Dakota just basically voted to deny a woman's right to control her own body
Oh yeah that sacred right enshrined in the constitution, that a woman has the right to have her baby, in her womb killed. You know have his or her arms and legs and head ripped off, and then thrown into the trash.
What about the right of the baby to it's life?
By the way as a long time resident of Colorado I find it to be very repressive, what with four levels of government with their faceless bureaucrats using the money that I earned to find ways to control me.
I'd think that a lot of Libertarians would even be split on abortion. They believe that you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone else. right? Then the question is is someone else hurt. The video at the following link is possibly evidence that someone else is hurt. I wrestled over whether or not to post this and decided that this group seems to use their heads more than most other groups of people I know, so with this WARNING, the video at the following web page contains the most explicit video showing abortion/fetus that I've ever seen - PLEASE don't click the link without considering this. Seriously, this made me cry and stayed with me. There is a countdown at the beginning, so you can opt out.
http://www.abortionno.org
I lived in AZ for a short time in 1990. I felt pretty free, but I was from California, so everything would have seemed pretty free.
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I'd think that a lot of Libertarians would even be split on abortion. They believe that you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone else. right? Then the question is is someone else hurt. The video at the following link is possibly evidence that someone else is hurt. I wrestled over whether or not to post this and decided that this group seems to use their heads more than most other groups of people I know, so with this WARNING, the video at the following web page contains the most explicit video showing abortion/fetus that I've ever seen - PLEASE don't click the link without considering this. Seriously, this made me cry and stayed with me. There is a countdown at the beginning, so you can opt out.
http://www.abortionno.org
I lived in AZ for a short time in 1990. I felt pretty free, but I was from California, so everything would have seemed pretty free.
Do I believe that abortion is right? By no means. Do I support the banning of abortion? No. I am a God fearing, educated, country boy, but it's hard for me to grant the government one more thing to control individiuals with (meaning the women or couples in the situation). Also knowing that if it something that someone wants done bad enough, they will get it one way or another, which usually means some sort of back alley clinic. Plus after seeing the campaign that the anti-abortionist put together, I would have a very difficult time siding with them. Their campaign use to be a series of 4ft x 6ft pictures depicting basically the same thing that is on the above link, except they would show them in public areas such as busy streets and our college campus. Basically they showed every discusting detail about it in areas where there would be lots of foot trafic, no matter how old or what sex the people were that may be passing by, i.e. little kids were exposed to this.
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WAKE UP ! Abortion is a medical procedure just like hip replacement. Sometimes it is necessary, just like cataract surgery. It has been legal for over 30 years. So called "Abortion on demand" (Take that phrase and replace "abortion" with "bypass" or "amputation" and it becomes not a moral issue but an insurance fraud issue) is just another excuse to hose you for a few more tax dollars.
What you "Right to lifers" don't seem able to comprehend is that while you get all steamed about this, you are not watching the Govt. screw you on another front. Are you to BLIND to comprehend that the ACTION is not the problem. You are no better than the pin heads who blame pistols for armed robbery.
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Guys its time for a time out. I really like this forum. The helpfulness, the banter and most of all the respect that is shown for one another. Its a good thing. I fear, that in my zeal to present a Libertarian view to 2A issues, and hopefully move them beyond D/R perspectives, I have erred. I have repeatedly brought up abortion rights, not just because I believe in them,but because I thought it was instructive. Instructive in the sense that it points out that its not just conservatives, but also liberals that hold deeply to a sense of individual liberty. My hope was that by doing so, we could begin to start building bridges to the Dems based on this principle, eg marry who you want, leave my AR -15 alone, and we're both happy. My favorite bumper sticker (bought after the assination of a doctor) read "I'm pro-choice, and I shoot back". Sadly, however I have done the opposite, and brought dissention to the group over a peripheral issue when we need to be united. I reserve the right to mock the GOP, but on abortion, lets just agree to disagree and call it a day. I for one, will not mention the issue again.
A contrite
fightingquaker13
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That was a well written post FQ, but come on , sometimes fighting over "best caliber gets" old.
Besides, If we can't thrash something here, where we KNOW we all have SOME common ground, how can we prepare to deal with strangers ? Think of it as "Blackwater" for the brain.
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That was a well written post FQ, but come on , sometimes fighting over "best caliber gets" old.
Besides, If we can't thrash something here, where we KNOW we all have SOME common ground, how can we prepare to deal with strangers ? Think of it as "Blackwater" for the brain.
Thanks Tom
But as a good little quaker I'll wait for consensus over whether abortion is on or off topic. I seriously don't want to be the skunk at this particular garden party because, its a pretty cool party. I've definately learned a lot and don't want to start a flame war over Roe v Wade.
not so fightingquaker13
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I'm not going to be offended over someone having a different opinion.
Back to the topic - I live in the least free state. ;)
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I'm not going to be offended over someone having a different opinion.
Back to the topic - I live in the least free state. ;)
Yes, you do, in one of the least free areas of the least free state. I lived in the East Bay for 2 years, right between Hayward and Oakland. That really stunk too. :( Glad to be back in America. !