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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Bidah on March 13, 2009, 04:13:27 PM
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Here is the email concerning the DLA now having to destroy military once fired brass so it cannot be reloaded. This is just going to make it hurt that much more... We had better make some collective NOISE on this one.
From:
SurplusNews@govliquidation.com
SurplusNews@govliquidation.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:34 PM
To: xxxxxx
Subject: Important Notice to Scrap Metal Buyers!
http://www.govliquidation.com
Dear Valued Customer:
Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:
Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.
Thank you,
DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
-Bidah
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THAT BITES >:( >:( >:(
Another sign?
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Hello. Below is the text of an email I just sent an informal group I keep updated on Second Amendment issues:
"Federal Directive to Destroy Fired Military Cases in .223 & .308
Here is the link: http://www.jpfo.org/alerts03/alert20090313.htm
Here is one immediate result: http://www.georgia-arms.com/
Georgia-Arms is a major supplier of reloaded ammunition.
Here is a link to make contacting elected representatives.
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
I figured that the sob’s would try and hit ammo first since the Heller decision sort of slowed some of their efforts there. Here we are in an economic crisis and the military, which is supported by the taxpayers has to deplete the value of fired cases by 80%. Doesn’t make a lick of sense unless the primary aim is to reduce ammunition available to the honest American citizen for either private reloading or reloading companies.
I sort of doubt that Bin Laden has an account with RCBS.
We are certainly some of the end-users of these cases and thus, the end targets of this change of policy.
Obama and his socialists can keep this ill-thought, wasteful “change”.
It is simply "back door gun control".
Stephen A. Camp
Best.
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This was posted on the 6.8 Forum today:
Here is a new angle from the left...
Another serious problem has just been created to add to the critical ammo shortage in the U.S. Read my letter to Senator Max Baucus about this below. An agency of the Department of Defense has just directed that all military fired brass must be destroyed.
I highly recommend that you send emails to U.S. Senators Baucus and Tester, and to Montana's lone Congressman Rehberg, asking them to get immediately onto fixing this.
FYI, Baucus is Chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee. He could simply call the Pentagon and tell them that if they don't reverse this DLA directive that the Pentagon will suffer a mysterious budget cut of several billion dollars. Also, Baucus's former Chief of Staff, Jim Messina, is now Deputy Chief of Staff at the White House. If Max called Jim and asked, Jim could fix this problem with a phone call too.
I recommend you communicate with the Baucus, Tester and Rehberg staffers who are tasked to firearms issues. They are:
Baucus - "Heather O'Loughlin" <heather_o'loughlin@baucus.senate.gov>
Tester - "Lillstrom, Alpha" <Alpha_Lillstrom@tester.senate.gov>
Rehberg - "Abra Belke" <abra.belke@mail.house.gov>
Tell them we simply don't accept the military destroying perfectly good brass that could be sold into the civilian market for private and commercial reloading.
Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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Hello. Below is the text of an email I just sent an informal group I keep updated on Second Amendment issues:
"Federal Directive to Destroy Fired Military Cases in .223 & .308
Here is the link: http://www.jpfo.org/alerts03/alert20090313.htm
Here is one immediate result: http://www.georgia-arms.com/
Georgia-Arms is a major supplier of reloaded ammunition.
Here is a link to make contacting elected representatives.
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
I figured that the sob’s would try and hit ammo first since the Heller decision sort of slowed some of their efforts there. Here we are in an economic crisis and the military, which is supported by the taxpayers has to deplete the value of fired cases by 80%. Doesn’t make a lick of sense unless the primary aim is to reduce ammunition available to the honest American citizen for either private reloading or reloading companies.
I sort of doubt that Bin Laden has an account with RCBS.
We are certainly some of the end-users of these cases and thus, the end targets of this change of policy.
Obama and his socialists can keep this ill-thought, wasteful “change”.
It is simply "back door gun control".
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Hello. Closer scrutiny shows that this is not an executive order from THE ONE. It is a policy implemented to destroy brass intended to be sold only as scrap. There is a provision in it that says brass from 50-caliber down can still be sold in the US. The scary thing to me is that there's nothing that says policy cannot be expanded to include all military brass for the scrap pile. For this reason, I suggest that we contact our elected representatives and express concerns.
I am not sure that some of these initially-seem-worse-than-they-are-when-you-scratch-the-surface items are being put out to gauge the reaction that might be expected.
Best to all.
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http://www.georgia-arms.com/
Our Government at work
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This post on the blog THE SHOOTIST explains what the heck is going on with the recent DOD order. Basically we're screwed. Georgia Arms exec was interviewed on Tom Gresham this afternoon and stated that the ammo market is going to see an IMMEDIATE impact. Like in weeks...prices going to skyrocket and availability will go right into the crapper. DOD contracts will be cancelled as of tomorrow (Monday 3/16).
http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html
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The other thread on this had info that it was only stuff bigger than .50 cal.
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Tom, the following is the letter sent to Georgia Arms. Note that I underlined several relevant sections....
From THE SHOOTIST:
Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:
Dear Valued Customer:
Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:
Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.
Thank you,
DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
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Wrote my congressman on this one. Government waste in this ressesion? Tell me it isn't so.
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Wrote my congressman on this one. Government waste in this ressesion? Tell me it isn't so.
Ain't gummint waste - this is bho's doing. He can't get a gun ban passed in Congress, so he is using the bureaucracy to do his dirty work. We were thinking big - Dept. of Commerce, OSHA, etc., never even knew about this one until now.
More to come, stay tuned . . . >:(
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Just read Jim Shepherd's Shooting Wire, has a number of good points. Available here: http://www.shootingwire.com/ (http://www.shootingwire.com/)
FTA:
"For months, anyone who's proffered the position that the Obama Administration was anti-gun has been dismissed as being a variety of things, from sore loser to rampant paranoid. Nonetheless, since assuming office, members of the Obama administration have steadily- and stealthily- moved against firearms and ammunition.
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All of us need to start contacting our elected representatives -and telling them, quite directly, that we're not going to put up with a move that not only curtails access to ammunition (nearly all .223 and .308 manufacturing capacity is tied up to satisfy the needs of the military) for civilians - but wastes taxpayers' money turning usable surplus into scrap metal.
Reducing the ammo brass to scrap reduces the value of the metal/surplus by nearly eighty percent. It also means that recast brass - in shippable form - may be shipped to China, one of the largest markets for U.S. metals on the world market.
If this is allowed to go unchallenged, anyone who owns a modern or traditional rifle in .223 or .308 calibers will see the impact- probably sooner than later.
"Anyone" in this context means everyone from recreational shooters to law enforcement trainers.
Pulling military brass out of the consumer supply chain means that all the manufacturing capacity being dedicated to meeting the military need will effectively become unavailable to civilians - forever.
Export rulings, lead bans, and brass mutilation orders from separate areas of the federal government look coincidental - on the surface. I'm not big on conspiracy theories - partially because I doubted the new administration would have gotten its collective act together so rapidly.
Seems I've been wrong on that one - and mistakenly using the word "hoard" when talking about the nearly-insatiable demand for ammunition that continues across the country. Today, laying up of ammunition might be better described as prudent preparation for possible problems."
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So show me where BHO did it... All I have seen is conjecture.
I don't care for Obama, but blind finger pointing gets us no where.
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Pathfinder your absolutely right. I don't believe for a second that this policy just popped up so we could have a greener Earth, or China needed more brass for manufacturing and we are helping them out, or a myriad of other possible scenarios. This is all part of the "squeeze play" that this admin is going to execute. This is all good Chicago politics.
So lets keep track here of the policies that "just happened" in the first 50 days of the new admin.
1. no lead ammo (or fishing lures) in the National Parks.
2. export ban on ammo
3. no flow of brass from military for reloading
Hmmmm....all a coincidence? Me thinks not. I also think more to come....You don't have to have a law to put people out of business. Just go ask the guys who didn't pay the mobster to pick up his trash. Your business can come to a crashing halt over a little thing like that. I expect BHO to pull every little governmental string he can.
Tab, I have no evidence that BHO did these. Like he gave an explicit order to do it. But you know what? Its a big government and the upper echelons are all BHOs men and women now. Not everything has to be said or signed. They ALL know what the marching orders are. They all know how to suck up to the boss man. This administration (all couple of thousand top appointments) are the enemies of gun owners. Collectively they are BHO.
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See the thread on Cafe .. scraping brass... The directive applies to ALL military brass. None of it can be used for reloading.
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Hello and thanks. That's what I was afraid of, that it would be expanded.
Best.
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How do you know it didn't come from bush?
its just as likly that it was a policy that was created under his watch...
oh yeah
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=435840
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To paraphrase Apocalypse Now -
Feel that?
Do you feel that?
That's the feeling of water being raised a few more degrees.
And there's always (at least) 1 in the crowd who enjoys the added heat.
The comments at THR pretty much put the original post in the thread to BS - the DoD is calling for destruction before scrapping.
But believe what you want. I went out and paid freakin' retail for 500 each of Hornady 7.62 and 5.56 FMJBT. I will find the brass to go with them.
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Cooking frogs
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This post on the blog THE SHOOTIST explains what the heck is going on with the recent DOD order. Basically we're screwed. Georgia Arms exec was interviewed on Tom Gresham this afternoon and stated that the ammo market is going to see an IMMEDIATE impact. Like in weeks...prices going to skyrocket and availability will go right into the crapper. DOD contracts will be cancelled as of tomorrow (Monday 3/16).
http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html (http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html)
Also included in the blog entry is a well written sample letter, that he said you can use. So please use it.
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Almost any of you are better than I am at this, but GET IT OUT THERE GUYS! Congress, Lou Dobbs, Hannity, the whole bunch....where is the NRA? Let's get on this...it's wasteful from a monetary and environmental standpoint AND it's backhanded gun control. Shut them down with public outcry.
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I just emailed my congress critters.
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It is already starting. Do some searching on this site. This one auction is what is appearing all over the place on that site now.
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2263402&convertTo=USD (http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2263402&convertTo=USD)
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I just emailed my congress critters varmints.
Fixed it for ya!
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My elected officials have all been emailed :)
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Check MBs' Blog on the front page. He is saying it has been rescinded!
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/03/military-policy-reversed.html
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I was on the Georgia Arms website and hey have a pop-up page announcing that the fired brass mutiliation order had been rescinded as of 4:30 on 3/17. Looks lie the pressure worked, though I'd stil like the story of it got there and what killed it.
fightingquaker13
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MB is saying the same in his blog.
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And Jim Shepherd has an excellent article in today's Shooting Wire saying the same thing. http://www.shootingwire.com/ (http://www.shootingwire.com/)
Be ever vigilant!
There will be dozens or hundreds or thousands of these attempts. One tool they will use is to wear us down with constant, across the board attacks ranging from all-out efforts to little, below the radar (they hope) weasel changes like these.
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We are the heavily armed 1,000 pound gorilla that roared!!! Sort of like the "No longer silent" majority. Great news for freedom.
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E-mailed a thank you to both Senator Tester (D-MT) and Senator Baucus (D-MT). We all need to do it!
http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm (http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm)
http://tester.senate.gov/Contact/ (http://tester.senate.gov/Contact/)
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Read Bane's blog about this.... things are looking like they are reversing
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From Pathfinder,...
Be ever vigilant!
There will be dozens or hundreds or thousands of these attempts. One tool they will use is to wear us down with constant, across the board attacks ranging from all-out efforts to little, below the radar (they hope) weasel changes like these.
Gotta take the Boy Scout motto on this one and Be Prepared!
It won't stop, and just think after the first 100 days they'll start playing real hardball...