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Flying Dragon Productions ( Michael Bane ) => The Best Defense on My Outdoor TV => Topic started by: Marshal Halloway on March 15, 2009, 11:26:38 PM
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EPISODE #12: Finding a Dropped Gun
We all hope and pray that someone we know isn’t involved in an active shooter situation, or any life threatening situation for that matter. While we might be comfortable operating most, if not all types of firearms, some of our friends and family may not want to have anything to do with them. The Best Defense began this season with a poignant questions regarding firearms: “what would you tell someone if you only had thirty seconds to teach them about firearms?” We go over some basic information we can pass along to those we care about which may make the difference if they are ever faced with this unlikely situation.
Airtime: Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Rerun: Wednesday, June 17, 2009
http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/episode12.htm
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It is somewhat appropriate that I am traveling home from Europe on the day that this episode is airing.
In some countries in Europe, there is certainly an attitude that if we don't talk about guns, make guns hard to get and stigmatized the entire topic of responsible gun ownership, that everything will somehow be fine.
We know better.
Last week, despite severe restrictions and regulation, a young man here in Germany killed several people and injured two police officers before being shot and killed. This is the first "school shooting" in Germany since 2002, as far as I can tell. Yet, the television has been non-stop full of politicians and "every day people" calling for further restrictions against gun ownership and access.... as if that will solve the problem.
In the US, the educational elite will have us educate our children about Sex, Drugs, Alcohol and Driving.... all in the name of protecting them from things that are potentially dangerous. I happen to agree that this is the right approach. I have always been frustrated, therefore, by the incongruent approach that the same people have to firearms. One the one had, they are dangerous. BUT, we mustn't educate kids about their dangers or proper use because that could encourage problems. I don't have a lot of tolerance for that kind of illogical position.
The segment that I did in this episode about the possibility of using a dropped gun found during an active shooter situation to protect yourself is, unfortunately, very real. In some utopian environment, the information might be unnecessary, but I strongly believe that knowing how to use a firearm responsibly in today's society is not only prudent..... it is necessary.
-RJP
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We know better.
-RJP
Sadly America does not. What you described as the attitude in Europe has now become the battle plan of the gun grabbers here in the U.S.
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“what would you tell someone if you only had thirty seconds to teach them about firearms?”
I would not bother. That "extra founded gun" would be put in my back pocket and serve the role of BUG/additional ammo.
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“what would you tell someone if you only had thirty seconds to teach them about firearms?”
This is a revolver. You have six shots. Point and SQUEEZE the trigger.
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"In the US, the educational elite will have us educate our children about Sex, Drugs, Alcohol and Driving.... all in the name of protecting them from things that are potentially dangerous. I happen to agree that this is the right approach. I have always been frustrated, therefore, by the incongruent approach that the same people have to firearms. One the one had, they are dangerous. BUT, we mustn't educate kids about their dangers or proper use because that could encourage problems. I don't have a lot of tolerance for that kind of illogical position."
This has long been how I argued that the "It's for the Children" line was BS. And if it were about crime The anti's would go after violent offenders and the liberal judges that let them off.
This kind of hypocrisy frosts my a$$
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5724.0.html
Olson, a member of the self-styled revolutionary Symbionese Liberation Army -- perhaps best known for kidnapping Patricia Hearst -- was released from a California prison after serving seven years, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said.
Myrna Opsahl, a mother of four, was depositing money at the Crocker National Bank for her church when she was shot by Olson's co-defendant Emily Montague Harris, according to court documents. Harris was sentenced to eight years; she served four and was released on parole in February 2007.
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Learn more about the topic on this week's episode:
http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/episode12.htm
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In the US, the educational elite will have us educate our children about Sex, Drugs, Alcohol and Driving.... all in the name of protecting them from things that are potentially dangerous. I happen to agree that this is the right approach. I have always been frustrated, therefore, by the incongruent approach that the same people have to firearms. One the one had, they are dangerous. BUT, we mustn't educate kids about their dangers or proper use because that could encourage problems. I don't have a lot of tolerance for that kind of illogical position.
+1,000,000!!!!! I actually applauded the TV when I heard you say that on the episode and backed it up (I love DVR's) so my wife could hear it, too.
PLEASE PUT THAT PORTION UP ON THE WEBSITE. I really want to be able to show a few people that--it just makes too much sense.
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Date: 3/18/2009 10:04:09 PM
Subject: Best Defense
Michael,
The quality of information the show presents is outstanding. This show
is the reason I subscribed to the Outdoor channel. Shooting Gallery is
another of my favorite show.
I look forward to Down Range Radio every week. I don't remember how I
came across the podcast, but after listing for some time it is top of my
list.
Keep up the great work
Aaron
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Date: 3/18/2009 7:21:43 PM
Subject: Question?
Dear Sir, Could you tell me what type of strobe flashlight Michael Janich is using in his segments on the Best Defense?
Thanks, Vince
Dear Vince:
Thank you for your e-mail.
The strobing flashlight used in The Best Defense was the BLACKHAWK Gladius Maximis. The Gladius was the first tactical flashlight to incorporate a strobing feature to disorient an opponent and affect his depth perception and peripheral vision. It has been used with great success by law enforcement since its introduction several years ago. Here is a link to it on the BLACKHAWK web site:
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Night-Ops-Gladius-Maximis-Illumination-Tool,994,40.htm
Thanks again for your interest and support.
Stay safe,
Michael Janich
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Thanks much, r_w.... been wanting to say that in front of a large audience for quite some time now... kudos to Bane and OC for putting on air.
-RJP
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+1,000,000!!!!! I actually applauded the TV when I heard you say that on the episode and backed it up (I love DVR's) so my wife could hear it, too.
PLEASE PUT THAT PORTION UP ON THE WEBSITE. I really want to be able to show a few people that--it just makes too much sense.
+1 to infinity!!!! (Just to beat r-w's number :) ) This really should be pinned somewhere on the homepage.
And this should be plastered on every firearm forum on the Internet!
I certainly enjoy the show and learn something new each week. Thanks for making it happen.
Michael
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On a related subject, after watching the show as a family last night, my 14 year old son asked me what he should do if HE is the one that is able to secure the dropped weapon, and then a teacher tells him to hand it over. Both my son and I are pretty sure that he will be the most competent shooter at school, as he has been competing with me in various shooting sports for half his life.
Obviously, such a scenario is very unlikely, but worth a thought, if this episode is to be seriously considered. The best his mother and I could come up with was for him to politely tell the teacher that he was an expert with that firearm and knew what to do safely; however, if the teacher felt he/she was more competent, then he would surrender it. If the teacher insisted, he really has no choice but to hand it over. I really don't want my son to learn what I learned in Iraq about the terminal effects of firearms, but in that situation, he has a calm head, superior skills, and I'd like for him to have "the best defense."
Any thoughts?
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He would have to make a call based on the circumstances but Clearing (unload and safe) the weapon prior to turning it over may be his best bet.
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This is quite a a long shot scenario, but it is a likely follow-up question.... Personally, if it is my daughter, I'm telling her to keep the gun and explain to the "teacher" that she is making the problem worse and should stand down. Human behavior being what it is, most teachers are probably going to back down.
-RJP
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I also don't like the idea of unloading the gun and passing off to another while a threat still exists.
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I also don't like the idea of unloading the gun and passing off to another while a threat still exists.
When I posted , I made some assumptions, 1), the reason the gun was dropped was that the threat had been jumped by others and lost it in the struggle, 2) threat did not whip out another weapon, 3) threat was being handled by others. Like I said, specific circumstances would dictate what needs to be done, but if the threat has been dealt with it would just be safe handling procedure to clear the weapon before handing it to any one else.
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It is somewhat appropriate that I am traveling home from Europe on the day that this episode is airing.
In some all countries in Europe, there is certainly an attitude that if we don't talk about guns, make guns hard to get and stigmatized the entire topic of responsible gun ownership, that everything will somehow be fine.
We know better.
-RJP
Sorry, had to correct that.
On a related matter:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1171649.ece/Actieplan_tegen_gewelddadige_overvallen
It's in Dutch, I wasn't able to find an English translation. Basic message is that over the months January and February of this year the number of shops, small businesses and homes being invaded and robbed at gunpoint has increased by 21% compared to the same months in 2008. As a result of that a taskforce comprised of police, entrepeneurs, social workers (and i am pretty sure the boy-scouts and cub-scouts will probably be involved in this task force as well) will tackle this problem (or rather try to, I hope the will succeed :-X, but i doubt it severely).
There is of course a more cost effective and simple soution to this problem ::), but i don't need to tell you all what you all know, right?
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Ocin,
I've actually found a lot of positive gun culture and acceptance of firearms in general in some European Countries... not limited to, but exemplified by, Czech Rep and Slovakia....
Meanwhile, Tom,
In the scenario we were addressing on the show, the "dropped gun" was from a downed good-guy.... while the threat was still active at some other location... In the case of the gun being the threat's gun, I'd be more inclined to leaving the gun on the ground in the first place.
-RJP
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Ocin,
I've actually found a lot of positive gun culture and acceptance of firearms in general in some European Countries... not limited to, but exemplified by, Czech Rep and Slovakia....
-RJP
I stand corrected. These countries are indeed within the EU nowadays.
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Ocin,
I've actually found a lot of positive gun culture and acceptance of firearms in general in some European Countries... not limited to, but exemplified by, Czech Rep and Slovakia....
Meanwhile, Tom,
In the scenario we were addressing on the show, the "dropped gun" was from a downed good-guy.... while the threat was still active at some other location... In the case of the gun being the threat's gun, I'd be more inclined to leaving the gun on the ground in the first place.
-RJP
Miss understood because of Sash's relating it to class room.