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Title: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 16, 2009, 02:00:26 PM: No Longer Just Paranoia
By Jim Shepherd
For months, anyone who's proffered the position that the Obama Administration was anti-gun has been dismissed as being a variety of things, from sore loser to rampant paranoid. Nonetheless, since assuming office, members of the Obama administration have steadily- and stealthily- moved against firearms and ammunition.
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Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: Condition 1 on March 16, 2009, 02:11:49 PM: Leader of the Hoplophobes!!
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 16, 2009, 02:46:57 PM: Quote:
The Department of Defense has issued a directive that bans the sale of military brass to ammunition re-manufacturers.
Without that brass, a very large dent is put into civilian ammunition supplies.

The first word of this latest decision came over the weekend when Georgia Arms' Larry Haynie released a letter notifying him of the new requirement.
For a company with an order in for 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, .308 and .50 BMG, that was not a pleasant notification.

This is why all manufacturers in the firearms industry need to band together. They need to form a cohesive group and inform Congress and the President that enough is enough.
They need to follow the example Ronnie Barrett set in California.
If the government tries to restrict the rights of free Americans through silly rhetoric, stupid decisions, useless and often malicious, self-serving legislation, then the manufacturers should stop selling arms and ammo to the government.
When the public starts buying more ammo than the government, it would send a clear message.
It will not be easy, but it can be done.

Now I have to go write my legislators.

***edit***

Wrote 'em all....from the White house on down.

start here: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: cooptire on March 16, 2009, 03:13:33 PM: Quote from: PegLeg45 on March 16, 2009, 02:46:57 PM
Quote:
The Department of Defense has issued a directive that bans the sale of military brass to ammunition re-manufacturers.
Without that brass, a very large dent is put into civilian ammunition supplies.

The first word of this latest decision came over the weekend when Georgia Arms' Larry Haynie released a letter notifying him of the new requirement.
For a company with an order in for 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, .308 and .50 BMG, that was not a pleasant notification.

This is why all manufacturers in the firearms industry need to band together. They need to form a cohesive group and inform Congress and the President that enough is enough.
They need to follow the example Ronnie Barrett set in California.
If the government tries to restrict the rights of free Americans through silly rhetoric, stupid decisions, useless and often malicious, self-serving legislation, then the manufacturers should stop selling arms and ammo to the government.
When the public starts buying more ammo than the government, it would send a clear message.
It will not be easy, but it can be done.

Now I have to go write my legislators.

+1 on that Peg!
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: 2HOW on March 16, 2009, 03:46:16 PM: Its just starting with military brass. It will get worse. :(
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: TAB on March 16, 2009, 05:37:21 PM: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=435840
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 17, 2009, 03:25:56 PM: I've been watching the chatter over at THR thanks to TAB's link. It appears that the DoD or their contractor has flipped around and for whatever reason (citizen uproar?) they have reversed the decision to mutilate brass for calibers .50 and smaller.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=435840&page=3

From THR website:

You might want to consider this as breaking news...

I don't post a lot around here and most of you have no idea who I am. Fact is, I'm an IT guy. A regular, run-of-the-mill computer jockey. But I happen to work for DOD Surplus/Government Liquidation. I've been told by my CEO that as of this morning the requirement to mutilate expended brass has been lift by virtue of a reclassification from Demil B to Demil Q. This applies to all calibers .50 and under. I'm still trying to get confirmation that .50 cal is included in the "safe to sell" list, or whether mutilation is still required.

I'm busy at work right now, but I will try to post back with more detail and updates when I get the chance.

Ed

More possible good news:

Posted today 2:56 pm Central:

We won!

Here is the poop I just got from Gov Liquidation.

This is the transcript of the live chat I just had.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Heidi'

Heidi: Welcome to our live chat service! How may I assist you?

Todd: Hello Heidi

Heidi: Hi!~

Todd: I have been told that all spent brass cases are to be destroyed as part of the EUC.

Todd: I have also heard that this NEW policy is being reversed.

Heidi: That is partially correct.

Todd: What is the truth?

Heidi: That is also partially correct.

Todd: Can you clearify as to what is happening?

Heidi: We received a slight change in the mutilation requirements for expended cartridges. Effective immediately any expended mention 50 caliber(12.7mm) or smaller can be released without mutilation. This includes expended cartridges and links. All other expended munitions larger than 50 cal including grenade fuses and flare canisters etc must still be mutilated.

Todd: So this is fact as of right now?

Todd: Can you tell me the source of who made the chage of the EUC you mentioned??

Heidi: This is for all munitions, not just ones that require an EUC.

Todd: Great! who is the governing body that made the change back to allowing sales of 50 caliber and below without mutilation?

Heidi: This came from the Defense Logistics Agency.

Heidi: If you have any more questions or concerns, please email management.

Todd: Thank you for your time.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...844248&page=12
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: D-Man on March 17, 2009, 04:55:10 PM: Guess the uproar to our Congress people paid off pretty quickly. Someone probably thought they could slip this under the radar screen and was caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Nice job people! At least those of you that took action!
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: Hazcat on March 17, 2009, 05:01:05 PM: I ain't believing until it is verified by Shepard or Bane, etc.
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: TAB on March 17, 2009, 05:06:05 PM: You know what shocked me about all this... people were flibing out of a email...

What biz ( the DOD in this case is a private company, not the dept of defence) would send just a email when its a mater of being in biz or not? how many times must I tell this to people, ALWAY send it signed receipt, that way you can prove they got it.( hand delvery works too, but is normally not practical) I have yet to see a single hard copy letter or hell even a fax.
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 17, 2009, 05:09:34 PM: Quote from: Hazcat on March 17, 2009, 05:01:05 PM
I ain't believing until it is verified by Shepard or Bane, etc.

Me either.

Quote from: TAB on March 17, 2009, 05:06:05 PM
You know what shocked me about all this... people were flibing out of a email...

What biz ( the DOD in this case is a private company, not the dept of defence) would send just a email when its a mater of being in biz or not? how many times must I tell this to people, ALWAY send it signed receipt, that way you can prove they got it.( hand delvery works too, but is normally not practical) I have yet to see a single hard copy letter or hell even a fax.

You won't either. I think BHO's admin was testing the waters to see how many people are paying attention. They don't use 'official' documents for that.
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 18, 2009, 01:52:35 AM: Latest Update: http://www.downrange.tv/artman2/publish/shepherd/427.shtml
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: THE CORONER on March 18, 2009, 12:25:29 PM: I wrote thank you letters to both Senators who had this reversed.
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: pioneer on March 18, 2009, 06:14:50 PM: Confirmed!
The order has been rescended.

We won this one. After the military logistics command notified the ammo makers who purchased once-fired brass from the military that the brass must be shredded, the ammo industry and gun owners got busy. The DoD and congressmen were deluged with complaints and the shredding requirement has been rescinded. http://www.georgia-arms.com/

To all who got involved in this thing early, way to go! It proves that the gun rights movement is very much alive and well. Don't become complacent though, we may have won this one, but you can bet they will try another angle.

Now, if we can just get gun owners to vote with equal enthusiasim.....
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 18, 2009, 11:22:03 PM: Quote from: pioneer on March 18, 2009, 06:14:50 PM
Confirmed!
The order has been rescended.

We won this one. After the military logistics command notified the ammo makers who purchased once-fired brass from the military that the brass must be shredded, the ammo industry and gun owners got busy. The DoD and congressmen were deluged with complaints and the shredding requirement has been rescinded. http://www.georgia-arms.com/

To all who got involved in this thing early, way to go! It proves that the gun rights movement is very much alive and well. Don't become complacent though, we may have won this one, but you can bet they will try another angle.

Now, if we can just get gun owners to vote with equal enthusiasim.....

AMEN.
Title: Re: No Longer Just Paranoia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 19, 2009, 09:00:04 AM: E mail from Tom Gresham:

Truth Squad Victory!!
DOD rescinds its ban on selling brass.

"When they feel the heat, they see the light."
Congratulations to the most active, the most effective, and the fastest-moving gun rights group in the country -- the Gun Talk Truth Squad. Only 48 hours after I broke the news to the nation's gun owners about a stealth program to drive up ammo prices, you crushed this effort by the new administration.

Last Sunday (was it only three days ago?) on my radio show, I had as guests Gordon Hutchinson (author of "The Great New Orleans Gun Grab") and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms. They told the story about the U.S. Department of Defense changing its policy, and how ammo remanufacturers (reloaders) such as Georgia Arms would no longer be able to buy millions of rounds of fired brass from the government unless they agreed to shred the brass.

Of course, that would make it useless for reloading. This would mean millions of rounds a month would be taken off the market, driving the price of ammunition even higher than it now is. Also, Larry told us he would have to fire half of his 60 employees.

Gordon alerted me, and within hours we put it on Gun Talk radio, live all over the country. You got angry, and being the Truth Squad -- a follower of the "no shrug" doctrine -- you acted.

Emails, faxes, and calls went to the offices of every Senator and Representative on The Hill. Senators Tester and Baucus of Montana (both Democrats) contacted the Department of Defense on Tuesday, and within an hour, they had a reply that this new, ill-considered, policy had been rescinded. Only 48 hours after I broke the news to the nation's gun owners, you responded, and then THEY responded.

This, my friends, is what the Truth Squad is all about. It's about generating a massive, suffocating, instant flood of rational and reasonable demands that our constitutional right to keep and bear arms not be infringed. What you did was create a "what the heck is going on?" response on Capitol Hill.

What's next? A constant stream of "we are watching you" communications which tells all elected officials that we will not stand by and allow them to trade away any of our rights. They all need to see that an attack on gun rights is the third rail of politics, and we will do all we can to send them home to find other work if they support any such effort.

Stay tuned. As always, you'll hear about it first on Gun Talk Radio. No other outlet covers the entire country (regular radio stations, XM and Sirius satellite, and the podcasts) with the latest news on firearms and gun rights.

There WILL be more assaults on our rights. Many of them will come through agencies, where no recorded vote is necessary. Never make the mistake of thinking that we have won and can now relax. By their actions we know that they really ARE out to get us.

If you hear of anything like this, by all means, let me know so we can jump on it.

Great job, Truth Squad!!

Tom Gresham