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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Ksail101 on March 19, 2009, 08:52:06 PM
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Now this topic I am sure has been brought up before, but I would like to know if anyone carries a single action revolver for their Concealed Carry Pistol. I don't know what to think about this cause really I havent really put much thought into it. In the world of double action revolvers and the Semi-Auto single action handguns I feel that people, like me, over look the single action pistol.
I really like the Ruger Vaquero and believe if I was to carry a single action for CCW I would chose this gun. I like both the 3 3/4 and 4 5/8 inch barrels but not sure what would be best???
I looked at a site that Mr. Bane recommended one time Simply Rugged Holsters. And if was to carry one one of these holsters would be the vehicle I believe.
Has anyone ever thought about the Single action. I know the larger calibers would make it a great choice for the woods, but about everyday. In the car, at the store ect.
A Vaquero and Ol' M&M to back her up in my truck would be one heck of a combo for those social dislocations.
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I think M Bane said something to the effect on one of the DRTV videos that you should carry a gun simlar to what your use too.
That makes alot of sense. So if you shoot a single action more then anything else, its what you feel confey with, carry it.
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I think M Bane said something to the effect on one of the DRTV videos that you should carry a gun simlar to what your use too.
That makes alot of sense. So if you shoot a single action more then anything else, its what you feel confey with, carry it.
Yes, I remember hearing it but not which podcast. Tom Gresham has said much the same thing, If you shoot single actions a
lot it makes sense to carry what your are familiar with.
My only problem with a single action for CCW is that they are so slow to reload. Other than that I'd go with a Vaquero in a heart beat.
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Hey Kevin, glad to see you're back , long time no see. I would like to carry a .44 or .45 LC in a 4 inch with a birds head grip and a double action if possible. been looking for one for a long time. It would have to be a double . Had a chance some years back to buy a pistol , a double in .45 LC with a sweet trigger . I passed, Dumb ass..
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My neighbor, Pete, has seven or eight handguns....four cap and ball wheelguns, and three or four "ca'tridge sixguns". His carry gun is a Uberti "bird's head" 3-inch "Sheriff's Model" in .45 Colt.
Now, Pete is 58 years old, and some MAY say he is set in his ways. I have seen him shoot that old-timey smoke wagon. He hits what he aims at, and does it in a pretty rapid fashion, thumbing the hammer with his off hand.
I made him a concealable OWB holster with a matching 6-round loop ammo carrier.
Sure, his wheelgun is old-fashioned. It doesn't load fast. But, in the end...he is damned good with it, and I don't think he is he least bit under armed.
Would a thumb buster be MY first or second choice? Nope. But it works for him.
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If a single action is the only gun you are familiar with using and you cannot get another gun, then carry it.
If you can get another weapon, my preference would be a modern semi-auto .40+, and get familiar with it.
You will never regret being able to make quick shots, having more ammo, and being able to reload quickly under pressure when things get rough. No gunfight was lost due to extra ammo and quick reloads and being able to make the first accurate shot.
Carry a single action if the is absolutely your ONLY option.
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I think Solus is getting the point guys... If you choose to carry and shoot single actions when you have better options, you shouldn't fall back on hearing advice like "carry a gun you know how to shoot" as a justification for it.
Any gun that is more complex to use (including one that requires extra mechanical activities (safety levers, cocking, etc)) is going to be less optimal for self-defense.
-RJP
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I think Solus is getting the point guys... If you choose to carry and shoot single actions when you have better options, you shouldn't fall back on hearing advice like "carry a gun you know how to shoot" as a justification for it.
Any gun that is more complex to use (including one that requires extra mechanical activities (safety levers, cocking, etc)) is going to be less optimal for self-defense.
-RJP
I disagree with that statement. For guns that are carried a safety could litterly save your butt. We all know the only safety that matters is the one between your ears, its also the safety that has the highest failure rate.
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If a single action is the only gun you are familiar with using and you cannot get another gun, then carry it.
If you can get another weapon, my preference would be a modern semi-auto .40+, and get familiar with it.
You will never regret being able to make quick shots, having more ammo, and being able to reload quickly under pressure when things get rough. No gunfight was lost due to extra ammo and quick reloads and being able to make the first accurate shot.
Carry a single action if the is absolutely your ONLY option.
Clint Smith is big on this. I saw a video of his one time where he is holding an old Luger and says if this is all you have then to learn how to use it.
I understand all this, I was just wondering for wondering sake if a SA revolver is something that anyone chooses and that the topic has been on my mind.
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Ksail,
Clint is a wise man.
Tab,
I was talking about shooting... not not-shooting. If you are carrying a gun that you need to be protected from, I agree: Carry it with an empty chamber and as many safeties as you can find. ;D
If you are carrying it for protection from other things, I think it should be as efficient a design to use for its intended purpose as possible and that you should be trained and practiced in its proper use.
-RJP
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Given the number of "professionals" that have ND, I'd say every one needs a safety... ;D
Its funny since my local SD went from glocks to sigs 5 years ago, they have not had a single ND, where as before they averaged 3 a year.
Now it could be the retraining, but since it was only 50 rounds and 2 hours... I doubt it.
I wish some one had real stats on the number of NDs and how many of those came from guns with and with out safetys.
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Ksail,
Clint is a wise man.
Tab,
I was talking about shooting... not not-shooting. If you are carrying a gun that you need to be protected from, I agree: Carry it with an empty chamber and as many safeties as you can find. ;D
If you are carrying it for protection from other things, I think it should be as efficient a design to use for its intended purpose as possible and that you should be trained and practiced in its proper use.
-RJP
Mr. Pincus
Since you're following this thread, I would be obliged if you could offer some advice. I traded in a kel-tec P-11 on a a bond arms .357 derringer simply because the the keltec printed in a jeans pocket carry, and the Bond doesn't. (I carry a Glock 19 IWB if I can get away with an untucked shirt). The Bond is accurate enough (3"-4" groups at 10 yds), but it does take that extra 2-3 seconds (yes I practice with snap caps) to draw and cock. Am I better served with something less conceable that will leave an unsightly bulge, or just spend more time getting my draw and cock down? Its a great gun and I have absolute confindence it will go bang and put the BBs where I want them, its just that small time delay that worries me. Having been suckered into riding a bull once by one of my "adoring" students, I know full well how long two seconds can be. The question is; am I ok with what I have for jeans pocket carry, or should I look elsewhere, and if so, where.
Thanks for your time
fightingquaker13
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Ksail.
When I can carry larger guns (anything bigger than a P3AT) I usually carry my 357 SA. I have the P3AT as back up. Do I feel 'under gunned"? NO! Can I out draw Bob Mundun? HELL no. Can I get it into the fight quickly? Hell yes.
So Bottom line on SA (for me), I always have carried a gun (pistol or revolver) in such a manner that you had to 'thumb the hammer' to shoot it (at least the first time) so I actually feel a little odd when I don't have to. So an SA fits me just fine.
Reload? As Uncle Walt Rausch says "If the first 5 didn't solve the problem what makes you think the next five will?"
My .02 worth.
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Mr. Pincus
Since you're following this thread, I would be obliged if you could offer some advice. I traded in a kel-tec P-11 on a a bond arms .357 derringer simply because the the keltec printed in a jeans pocket carry, and the Bond doesn't. (I carry a Glock 19 IWB if I can get away with an untucked shirt). The Bond is accurate enough (3"-4" groups at 10 yds), but it does take that extra 2-3 seconds (yes I practice with snap caps) to draw and cock. Am I better served with something less conceable that will leave an unsightly bulge, or just spend more time getting my draw and cock down? Its a great gun and I have absolute confindence it will go bang and put the BBs where I want them, its just that small time delay that worries me. Having been suckered into riding a bull once by one of my "adoring" students, I know full well how long two seconds can be. The question is; am I ok with what I have for jeans pocket carry, or should I look elsewhere, and if so, where.
Thanks for your time
fightingquaker13
Did your kel-tec print with a pocket holster?
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Did your kel-tec print with a pocket holster?
Thought about that a little too late, but it wouldn't have mattered with jeans. Dockers, yes, jeans,not so much.
fightingquaker13
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FQ,
I'm not a mod in this sub-forum, so I can't split... start another thread with your question and I'll be glad to opine... :)
-RJP
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I would surely carry a single action revolver if I still lived in Montana. And I would practice constantly to hone my skills. I remember seeing guys while I lived out there carrying them in holsters out in the open. I really liked that and you knew there would be no trouble with the cowboys around. :)
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The gun in your hand is the best gun to use for self-defense!
If the only gun I had left was a Ruger Blackhawk, I wouldn't feel particularly undergunned. Today my Sweetie and a bunch of friends spent all afternoon at the range shooting cowboy guns — rifles, revolvers and shotguns — shooting gobs of ammunition. I always carry when I'm out of the house, and I always have a hot weapon on my person (other than the target guns) when I'm out shooting in the woods.
For the heck of it, I carried my 1956 Ruger Flat-Top .357 in a Ted Blocker concealment holster (actually, a really cool old George Lawrence design I talked about in the podcast this week) under a vest. We had a minor incident, but the fact that I was carrying an SA didn't bother me in the least.
Michael B
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The gun in your hand is the best gun to use for self-defense!
. I always carry when I'm out of the house, and I always have a hot weapon on my person (other than the target guns) when I'm out shooting in the woods.
Michael B
Spoken like man who's seen Silverado. ;D
fightingquaker13
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It's one of my Sweetie's favorite movies...I've probably seen it several thousand times...LOL!
mb
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Did I mention we're filming a SHOOTING GALLERY on single action self-defense, since the lever actions for self-defense show went so well?
Speaking of single action stuff, I got my Ruger .44 Special Flat-Tops back from Jim Finch, Long Hunter, and took them out shooting yesterday. Sweet! I'm sort of going in the opposite direction of most of the rest of cowboy action shooting, moving "up" from poofy .38 to whack-a-mole .44s...it's the cowboy way!!!
Michael B
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I just wanted to clear something up cause I realized there is so many people I havent had a chance to talk to on here or dont know the whole story...
M&M is a .357 Puma 1892 lever gun. (That really means the world to me and I will never get rid of.) I have been on a revolver kick for the last year or so. Not owning one but renting them up at the range I go to as much as I can, I have shot quite a few. Hell on most DA revolver I seem to thumb the hammer anyway before I shoot. I guess just for nostalgia sake. So I dont think it would be a huge problem for me. If I was to ever get that dream place in Montana I would for sure have a .357 single action with my 1892 in my truck to back her up at all times.
I am even really considering this as my main set up for when I travel from my house over the mountains to Eastern WA to my cabin on the Columbia river. Its no story that you could get caught in the Cascades or somewhere in the Desert if you had car trouble. Having those two firearms on you, could be your source for food, protection, and the ability of comfort for a possible nights sleep.
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Did I mention we're filming a SHOOTING GALLERY on single action self-defense, since the lever actions for self-defense show went so well?
Speaking of single action stuff, I got my Ruger .44 Special Flat-Tops back from Jim Finch, Long Hunter, and took them out shooting yesterday. Sweet! I'm sort of going in the opposite direction of most of the rest of cowboy action shooting, moving "up" from poofy .38 to whack-a-mole .44s...it's the cowboy way!!!
Michael B
Hey Michael you said something on the Podcast about Gunsite doing a Defensive Single Action class? Can you keep us informed about that. Maybe write an article or at least talk about it on the Podcast. I would love to hear about how it goes and what are some things you learned or how, if, it shocks you by how good a SA is for Self-defense.
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Looking forward to that episode of Shooting Gallery Michael B. :D
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To me, the question comes to this: "Is a .357/.44/.45-caliber bullet moving at 850-1200FPS going to be any less effective if I fire it from a SA revolver than it would be if I fired it from a DA revolver or an autopistol?".... ::)
Training and technique can overcome the other issues.... 8)
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I was thinking about picking up an old Ruger Old Army cap and ball revolver just to be on the safe side if they take away my cartridge firing equipment and my carry permit is still valid. Black power makes a nice smoke screen to conceal me during the reload.
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Every so often I look at a cap and ball LeMat replicas and think hmmmmmmmmm...9 .44 balls and a 20 gauge barrel...2 of those bad boys would get you through the night...
Michael B
http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0036661.shtml
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The came with a 16 ga, way back when...
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Every so often I look at a cap and ball LeMat replicas and think hmmmmmmmmm...9 .44 balls and a 20 gauge barrel...2 of those bad boys would get you through the night...
Michael B
http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0036661.shtml
Right there with you. I came within a frogs hair of ordering one of Cabelas a couple of times when they used to have them for around $400 back in the day.Looking back, I really wish I had.
fightingquaker13
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When I go camping with my family I usually bring my SASS wheelguns because everyone knows how to use them and they are boringly reliable. I agree with the thought that picking a less effective firearm for personal protection is not the best idea. I choose to use these because all the members of my family know how to use them. A good solution immediatly is probably better than the perfect thing thirty minutes later. Take care all.
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Training and technique can overcome the other issues....
Acknowledging the "other issues" is important.
You can learn to shoot a pistol holding it upside down in your weak hand with enough "training".... but that doesn't make it a great choice as a defensive technique. ::)
Training resources, including time and budget, are always limited... which is the primary reason I recommend using the simplest firearms, techniques and tactics your can. Less time training one thing means more time for another type of training OR spending time with family, working, etc....
-RJP