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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on March 20, 2009, 05:23:17 AM
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It's not going to end anytime soon, and sanctuary city Queen Pelosi revealed her ideas on American Immigration Policy.
Be afraid.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/pelosi_ice_video/2009/03/19/194083.html
Video: Pelosi Calls Immigration Raids 'Un-American'
Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:03 PM
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Appearing at a San Francisco Church, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told a group apparently comprised of illegal immigrants and their families that enforcement of existing immigration laws, as currently practiced, is "un-American."
The speaker went on to condemn agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for doing their jobs: enforcing immigration laws and arresting people living in the United States illegally, according to Fox News.
While ICE was implicitly described as “un-American,” though, the crowd attending Pelosi’s talk was told that they were "very, very patriotic."
"Who in this country would not want to change a policy of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families?" Pelosi said in a video taken at the event. "It must be stopped....What value system is that? I think it's un-American. I think it's un-American."
Pelosi spoke at the invitation of Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., who has organized a 17-city, cross-country tour called United Families. He says it is intended to put a human face on the immigration debate.
"We think that families are the cornerstone of our society and our nation, and an immigration system should preserve those families, not destroy them," Gutierrez told Fox News. The congressman is collecting petitions that ask President Obama to "stop the immigration raids and deportations that are tearing our marriages, families and children apart." He is expected to present those petitions when Hispanic members of Congress meet with the President Wednesday.
To chants of “Si se puede,” or “Yes we can,” Pelosi went on to slam work site enforcement by ICE.
"We have to have a change in policy and practice and again ... I can't say enough, the raids must end,” Pelosi said. “The raids must end.”
"You are special people. You're here on a Saturday night to take responsibility for our country's future. That makes you very, very patriotic."
The rest of the article leads to the Video.
Is this women from another planet?
Nevermind,,, yes, Galaxy Kalifornia, on the planet San Francisco.
So bash ICE and Border Patrol Agents, for enforcing US laws regarding ILLEGAL Aliens, and praise them for their Patriotism? ??? ??? >:(
The Pressure Cooker is starting to get warmer,.......
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How weird is this
Have you ever noticed that if you rearrange the letters of the word "Immigrants" and add a few more letters it spells out:
"f..k off and go home, you hairy faced, sandal wearing , bomb making, benefit grabbing, smelly raghead assholes"
How weird is that?
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Amazing with the letters..
But the solution to breaking up the families is simple. Send the families with them if they prefer that.
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"You are special people. You're here on a Saturday night to take responsibility for our country's future."
Is she referring to illegal immigrants as "Saturday Night Specials"?
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Is she referring to illegal immigrants as "Saturday Night Specials"?
Leaving aside the immigrant bashing which I do not approve of, because hey, if we didn't hire them they wouldn't be here. (If you want to get pissed, please direct it at the chamber of commerce, the club for greed (I mean growth), contractors, landscape companies, hotels etc who would rather exploit an illegal than pay a decent wage to an American). The fact is I find it laughable that pelosi thinks that when we can't control the South to North flow of immigrants with law enforcement, we can control the the North to South flow of weapons with gun bans. Hypocrite much?
fightingquaker13
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Leaving aside the immigrant bashing which I do not approve of, because hey, if we didn't hire them they wouldn't be here. (If you want to get pissed, please direct it at the chamber of commerce, the club for greed (I mean growth), contractors, landscape companies, hotels etc who would rather exploit an illegal than pay a decent wage to an American). The fact is I find it laughable that pelosi thinks that when we can't control the South to North flow of immigrants with law enforcement, we can control the the North to South flow of weapons with gun bans. Hypocrite much?
fightingquaker13
I'm not an immigration basher, I am an illegal alien basher. All I want to see of them is elbows and asses as they head south out of my home. Anyone who gives illegal aliens incentives for coming here is doing wrong also, but that does not justify people coming over our border illegally.
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KEYWORD:
ILLEGAL!
Illegal \Il*le"gal\, a. [Pref. il- not + legal: cf. F. ill['e]gal.]
Not according to, or authorized by, law; specif., contrary to, or in violation of, human law; unlawful; illicit; hence, immoral; as, an illegal act; illegal trade; --Bp. Burnet.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
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Guys, I'm not arguing that they should be here. If I had my way, we'd pass the Dream Act (which lets those who came with their folks at age 16 or under stay if they get an Associates degree or better, or join the military or do 2 yrs in a community service gig), and give an immediate green card to anyone who joins the military (along with spouse and child) and citizenship after four years service. Beyond that, I would propose a 90 day amnesty to register with INS, get your affairs in order, and in return get a free plane ticket and the opportunity to apply legally with a bonus point for having complied. Anyone else your gone, and a six month jail term if you're caught a second time.
My point though, is that they wouldn't come if WE didnt hire them. Its the same logic as the drug war or prohibiion. As long as there is a demand someone would meet it. As the elder (and smarter) President Bush was told by the Colombian ammbassador after Bush called him in for a scolding over cocaine trafficking, "If you people would stop buying it, my country wouldn't be facing these problems. Why should our society suffer to clean up your mess?". Wise words. I don't want to see video of raids where JUST illegals are hauled off. I want to see the manager in cuffs as well. I want to see a follow up raid the next day at corporate HQ where the CEO gets perp walked. I don't think you'd have to do this too many times to get corporate America's undivided attention. Remeber "If you build it, they will come". Lets start going after the ones who build it and also understand that its going to cost us a little more to get our lawns mowed, go out to diner or stay in hotel. I'm willing to pay. How about you?
fightingquaker13
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The larger systemic ramifications are the one's who come here with the intent to have children here, (automatic citizenship), using the emergency rooms as primary health care facilities, and the ease they can acquire a drivers license/social security card. This becomes a burden on you and me because the COST is passed on, because they don't pay. Also, if they are injured on the job, they automatically get worker's comp, 66% of their pay tax free, which is fine for them, and this COST is passed on to us.
They send money home to support their families, if things work out, they send for the wife, kids, cousins, etc,... They live 10 to a house and work hard, I know, I know. But they need to do it LEGALLY. Not all of them are here for noble reasons either.
Watch America's Most Wanted lately? Larger and larger group of Hispanic (mostly) illegal aliens that commit crimes here, lay low across the border and then come back,,,repeat,...
Doing it illegally, is a financial burden on us citizens. The employers play a role, because "Americans won't work" at a chicken processing facility for $7.00 an hour. Etc,... on profession...
I think if a "real and feasible" Imm Policy was in place, not some Democrat bashing our existing laws giving sanctuary, was in place, the offset costs would be the same if not lower, because the other COSTS (healthcare mainly), would come down.
Politicians love to "talk" about it, but neither party does anything. Because here in the US, we have loopholes that let them vote... ACORN sees to that. How's the Border Fence/Wall coming? Abandoned yet?
Analyze good ol' Europe's illegal immigration policies, no papers; no stay. The Muslim pop. in mainland Europe is booming, and they are doing it legally, and France, Swiss, UK, are realizing their own problems with LEGAL Imm. Policies.
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, and give an immediate green card to anyone who joins the military (along with spouse and child) and citizenship after four years service. Beyond that, I would propose a 90 day amnesty to register with INS, get your affairs in order, and in return get a free plane ticket and the opportunity to apply legally with a bonus point for having complied. Anyone else your gone, and a six month jail term if you're caught a second time.
Sounds good to me, Nancy still won't approve though, she hates the military.
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ILLEGAL Aliens should be given 30 days to leave voluntarily. After that any found here should be deported with family in the clothes they are wearing, all other assets and belongings confiscated to defray costs to society. Companies hiring illegals, Facility manager and everyone involved in hiring jailed 10 years, (conspiracy to violate FEDERAL Immigration law ) Company fined $100,000 Per illegal. "Sanctuary Cities" and States that do not enforce immigration laws Lose all federal funding and politicians involved in decision get 10 years for conspiracy.
Illegal aliens are breaking the law simply by BEING HERE. They deserve no benefits, no sympathy and no rights. Those should be reserved for CITIZENS.
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ILLEGAL Aliens should be given 30 days to leave voluntarily. After that any found here should be deported with family in the clothes they are wearing, all other assets and belongings confiscated to defray costs to society. Companies hiring illegals, Facility manager and everyone involved in hiring jailed 10 years, (conspiracy to violate FEDERAL Immigration law ) Company fined $100,000 Per illegal. "Sanctuary Cities" and States that do not enforce immigration laws Lose all federal funding and politicians involved in decision get 10 years for conspiracy.
Illegal aliens are breaking the law simply by BEING HERE. They deserve no benefits, no sympathy and no rights. Those should be reserved for CITIZENS.
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It seems like every other day I read a news story from our rural area of NW Iowa where an illegal alien is either arrested for identity theft or are involved in a traffic crash and charged with not having a driver's license or insurance. Many of these crashes injure or kill people in the other vehicle, who don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of recovering any damages from the illegal. Just this week my radio station ran this story:
http://www.ask4direct.com/InfoRead.asp?id=KIWA&InfoID=515992 (http://www.ask4direct.com/InfoRead.asp?id=KIWA&InfoID=515992)
A man that has been deported or forced to leave the country 12 times, and who has transported illegal aliens to Sioux Center has been sentenced to two years behind bars.
Twenty-six-year-old Jose Trujillo-Perez of Mexico plead guilty in November to one count of transportation of illegal aliens. At the guilty plea, Trujillo-Perez admitted he knowingly transported five illegal aliens from Arizona to Iowa.
On November 5, 2008, an Iowa State Patrol trooper stopped the van Trujillo-Perez was driving in Woodbury County and discovered the aliens in the van. According to court documents, an investigation found that Trujillo-Perez had entered the country illegally on October 25 in southeast Arizona. He agreed to drive 11 illegal immigrants from Phoenix to Sioux Center and a city in Pennsylvania to erase a $1500 debt to a human smuggler. When the patrol caught up with him, he had already delivered some of the people to Sioux Center and was on his way to the Pennsylvania drop-off.
Trujillo-Perez has been arrested and deported two times before, and was arrested and voluntarily left the country 10 times. In addition to the 2 years in prision, a special assessment of $100 was imposed. He must also serve a two-year term of supervised release after the prison term. There is no parole in the federal system.
Trujillo-Perez is being held in the United States Marshal's custody until he can be transported to a federal prison.
The Wicked Witch of the West (Pelosi) and all of her sanctuary city pals should be tried for TREASON, for undermining the security of this country by offering aid and comfort to those who are committing the crime of being here illegally!!!
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Only one way to STOP IT large piles of rotting bodies at the border with a large sign YOUR NEXT unless your headed south
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It seems like every other day I read a news story from our rural area of NW Iowa where an illegal alien is either arrested for identity theft or are involved in a traffic crash and charged with not having a driver's license or insurance. Many of these crashes injure or kill people in the other vehicle, who don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of recovering any damages from the illegal. Just this week my radio station ran this story:
The Wicked Witch of the West (Pelosi) and all of her sanctuary city pals should be tried for TREASON, for undermining the security of this country by offering aid and comfort to those who are committing the crime of being here illegally!!!
It's bad in my county. The next county over is #1 and my county is #2 in the state for illegal immigrant population. Every time I open the local paper to the police report, 80% of it is hispanics arrested for DUI, no insurance, and no license.
It's a money-maker for our local gubmint.
Here's an example of the SOP:
1. Pedro runs a red light and gets caught and charged for DUI, no license, and no insurance. Pedro goes to traffic court and pays a $1000 fine with cash and gets let go. He promptly changes his name to Gomez and gets on with his life.
2. Gomez speeds and gets caught and charged for DUI, no license, and no insurance. Gomez goes to traffic court and pays a $1500 fine with cash and gets let go. He promptly changes his name to Juan and gets on with his life.
3. Juan runs over a kid on a bicycle .................
You get the picture.
It's all about the money here.
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You want to stop illegal's comming from Mexico? I've got the plan! It will only cost 100 mil a year (A drop in the bucket of what it costs us now and doesn't work!) Divide the border of Mexico in ten equal sections. Hire ten Mex Generals at 10 mil a piece to keep illegals from crossing into our country. Deduct $50.000 from there pay for everyone that gets thru there section. Let them police them selfs. Who cares what they do too get the job done! Good sound American deal!
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Or....since we are still having problems with the New Orleans levees (from Katrina), there is a growing problem with gators in Florida, and a flood of illegals from Mexico.........
Why don't we:
1. Dig a moat along the US-Mexico border.
2. Use the extra dirt from the moat to shore up the new Orleans levees.
3. Put the excess gators from Florida in the moat.
Problem solved....until the illegals learn to pole-vault. ;D ;D ;D
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Or....since we are still having problems with the New Orleans levees (from Katrina), there is a growing problem with gators in Florida, and a flood of illegals from Mexico.........
Why don't we:
1. Dig a moat along the US-Mexico border.
2. Use the extra dirt from the moat to shore up the new Orleans levees.
3. Put the excess gators from Florida in the moat.
Problem solved....until the illegals learn to pole-vault. ;D ;D ;D
Its a little known fact, but true, that a big gator can jump 4-5' vertically out of the water. They'll need looong poles.
fightingquaker13
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SORRY NO TREES ;D NO POLES
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How weird is this
Have you ever noticed that if you rearrange the letters of the word "Immigrants" and add a few more letters it spells out:
"f..k off and go home, you hairy faced, sandal wearing , bomb making, benefit grabbing, smelly raghead assholes"
How weird is that?
My mother is an immigrant, FU very much. But she came legally, spoke English (Being from England helps) and if I had to apply for citizenship because the changed the, Born here citizen rule retroactively...I would be happy to take the test and wait in line, as long as they did it for everyone who's parents weren't citizens when they were born. ;) I would even transfer all my guns to an American until I got my papers complete.
I think our military should train for the middle east on our southern border and norther europe on our northern boarder. They would love it.
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My mother is an immigrant, FU very much. But she came legally, spoke English (Being from England helps) and if I had to apply for citizenship because the changed the, Born here citizen rule retroactively...I would be happy to take the test and wait in line, as long as they did it for everyone who's parents weren't citizens when they were born. ;) I would even transfer all my guns to an American until I got my papers complete.
There should be a season on the other kind.