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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on March 21, 2009, 02:41:20 AM
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I traded in a kel-tec P-11 on a a bond arms .357 derringer simply because the the keltec printed in a jeans pocket carry, and the Bond doesn't. I also know that the bond is going to go bang on the 2nd shot whereas I was optimistic that the keltec would.(I carry a Glock 19 IWB if I can get away with an untucked shirt). The Bond is accurate enough (3"-4" groups at 10 yds), but it does take that extra 2-3 seconds (yes I practice with snap caps) to draw and cock. Am I better served with something less conceable that will leave an unsightly bulge, or just spend more time getting my draw and cock down? (No comments from the peanut gallery). Its a great gun and I have absolute confindence it will go bang and put the BBs where I want them, its just that small time delay that worries me. Having been suckered into riding a bull once by one of my "adoring" students, I know full well how long two seconds can be. The question is; am I ok with what I have for jeans pocket carry, or should I look elsewhere, and if so, where.
Thanks for your time
fightingquaker13
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One thing I do when pocket carrying is put the gun in a cheap brand zip lock bag. It helps a little with the visible print problem, but more important it keeps lint and such out of the barrel and inner workings of the gun. Come time to use the gun you'll rip through the very thin plastic just by griping the gun without even noticing it (why you want the cheap brand bags). I've practiced with my Bobcat this way and it works well for me. Just something to consider.
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I have a Bond 410/45 that I carry in a DeSantis Nemesis for a Kahr PM9 pocket holster. Works well for me.
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You guys know I'm a fan of the Bond Arms .45/.410, my ultimate dog walk gun. I also have barrels for .22 LR and .44 Special. I was thinking that additional barrels might be handy.
Depending on my threat level, the Bond is just fine. I used to carry 2 .410s and 2.45 Colt SilverTips on a belt slide. Now I go for 4 .410s on one Tuff strip and 5 .45 Colts on the other. I mean, it won't handle a firefight or anything, but it'll get me home. I also use the Bond as a second gun, especially on long car traps, with that super Bond driving crossdraw holster. I like to know that even if I jump out of the car for a quick ice tea, I've still got a gat.
Michael B
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Love my TEXAS Defender ;D 8)
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As we've said on TBD and elsewhere, choosing a concealed carry firearm is all about compromises. As MB said, the derringer may be a great second gun, but it wouldn't be any of our choices (I think...) as a primary if we are really trying to be prepared for a worst case scenario.
In the last 4 weeks, I have carried on 2 days. I have spent most of my time in Europe, where it wasn't a practical/legal option. I am writing this now from Hollywood, where it is not a legal option for me. So, for me, ANY derringer would've been better than what I had (knives, pens, creativity, etc).
So the real question isn't "is this gun good enough?" because we can't predict what you'll actually need. I think the real question is "how much compromise is enough?"
Some people ask that question, especially from a keyboard, and then rant about how their safety and their family's safety is worth never flying on a plane, never going to Manhattan and generally never being without 2 guns, a knife, a cell phone and a chem light. I don't feel that way. Obviously, I compromise my ability to protect myself and those I am with very frequently. As long as you realize that you are doing so when you choose to carry the derringer instead of something else, you are making an educated choice.
Now, all that said, for me, if I am going to go to the effort to carry a gun, I generally want it to be a fair amount of gun. The hoops you have to jump through to carry a 5 or 6 shot revolver instead of the derringer are only a small percentage increase... one that I think is worth it most of the time.
-RJP
**edited to add***:
as for what to go to after the derringer, a lot of that will depend on your body type/shape. I carry my j-frame appendix carry frequently with only an untucked t-shirt or button-up and jeans.... but there are plenty of flatter solutions that should work in a variety of areas. At the end of the day, it may come down to compromising your dress habits for the sake of gun.. which may or may not be worth it to you.
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I used to carry a western .357 derringer . Now a days I dont think it can take the place of a Kel-Teck or another multi shot pistol. JMO
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You guys know I'm a fan of the Bond Arms .45/.410, my ultimate dog walk gun. I also have barrels for .22 LR and .44 Special. I was thinking that additional barrels might be handy.
Depending on my threat level, the Bond is just fine. I used to carry 2 .410s and 2.45 Colt SilverTips on a belt slide. Now I go for 4 .410s on one Tuff strip and 5 .45 Colts on the other. I mean, it won't handle a firefight or anything, but it'll get me home. I also use the Bond as a second gun, especially on long car traps, with that super Bond driving crossdraw holster. I like to know that even if I jump out of the car for a quick ice tea, I've still got a gat.
Michael B
He said "Gat" 8)
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"Gat" is long overdue for a revival!
mb
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"Gat" is long overdue for a revival!
mb
I second that! ;D
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You need to have a "gat", you never know when some ruffian will stick a "roscoe" in your face and demand your wallet. ;D
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You need to have a "gat", you never know when some ruffian will stick a "roscoe" in your face and demand your wallet. ;D
Those are no problem. You just adminster a sound thrashing. Its hooligans with a mohashc'a wanting your ducats you have to watch out for.
fightingquaker13
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I know that Bond makes a great derringer. My hesitation is that it only holds two shots. Michaels solution is to use modern stripper clips for 10 extra shots. It will however take approximately 16 minutes to fire those shots. ;D
I carry a HK USP 45c when the weather allows which gives me 9 very quick, very accurate shots to stop any ill advised behavior by a low brow.
When the weather does not allow, think Texas Summer, I carry a J frame in a Nemesus pocket holster and an extra speed loader in the other pocket. It is a compromise, less effective bullet, but one I have thought through and decided that a little 38 and harsh words are better than harsh words alone.
I consider a j frame an experts gun. It is HARD to shoot accuately! I can fire my 45 all day an never tire but that little 38 wears me out. So I practice, and practice and practice.
Yes, God Bless Texas!
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I don't own a derringer and don't have much of a snake problem where I live. It's more the large divebombing mosquitos that are the norm here on the central MA delta of the Blackstone Valley.
I've always carried a large frame gun, a Beretta or now, my 1911 LTC. I don't expect ANY gun I carry to be comfortable in all conditions and like Rob, there are a lot of times when I can't carry. For me personally, the smallest thing I'd want with me is a .357 mag and practice with .38 special, preferably with as many rounds as possible. I think that there are many great options for small frame revolvers rather than the two shot for most of us.
MB has at least one of every gun on the planet and access to far more resources than any of us. Ya gotta love that but, it's not practical for the rest of us. Use the funds you have wisely and literally get the most BANG for the buck....
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You're right about me probably having more guns than sense! LOL! It does give me a chance to see what works (or at least what works for me) and what doesn't, which is sort of my job. I actually think that if (when) times get really tough and I have to sell off stuff, the Bond derringer would make the "must keep" pile for a couple of reasons...with the extra barrels it's a versatile little beast, and as a second hide-put gun I've rather have 2 big than 5 or 6 small. FWIW, the other handguns in the "must keep" pile would be my old Heinie 1911 .45, my now-ancient S&W M29 I bought new in 1973 and a Ruger Single Six .22.
Michael B
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He said "ruffian". ;D Anyone here ever pack a heater?
Just me & Captain Kirk.... ;)
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_%28episode%29 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_%28episode%29)
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You're right about me probably having more guns than sense! LOL!
Michael B
There is something to be said for having more triggers then you have fingers.
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Long 762 has issued a throw down, now I must shoot 10 rounds from my Bond .357 in under 16 minutes, since the speed strips hold 6, I think 14 shots is in order, 2 to start, and 12 to load. Not that I want to speed load a derringer under fire, but we have not seen this before, I don't even know if SASS, has you reloading the derringer, I would guess probably at some point. So thanks for a new, goal!! Hopefully video. Now I just have to find my speed strips.
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Long 762 has issued a throw down, now I must shoot 10 rounds from my Bond .357 in under 16 minutes, since the speed strips hold 6, I think 14 shots is in order, 2 to start, and 12 to load. Not that I want to speed load a derringer under fire, but we have not seen this before, I don't even know if SASS, has you reloading the derringer, I would guess probably at some point. So thanks for a new, goal!! Hopefully video. Now I just have to find my speed strips.
I'll be looking forward to it. I've taken enough guff over the two shots thing. But honestly, I'm going to the mall not the OK corral, for that, I'll bring the glock or find an elsewhere to be. I'm just working on my draw and aim. I haven't gotten to the rapid reload (new gun and it took 3 weeks to find .38 snap caps). Please, if not video at least an after action report. My local range tries at least, to be a bit anal about safety and there's only so much RL training we can do. (Gven some of the nimrods who practice here I can't complain, Scarface was a movie guys, yikes). Anyway, as someonewho really likes that little gun, inquiring minds want to know.
fightingquaker13
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Just me & Captain Kirk.... ;)
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_%28episode%29 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_%28episode%29)
LOVE IT!!