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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: THE CORONER on March 21, 2009, 06:37:29 AM
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Residents fear the worst ofcourse.... Here's the story:
MIDDLEFIED -- Imagine military training right outside the front door of your home.
The training is for a newly formed "militia group" and it's scheduled in a Middlefield neighborhood next month.
They call themselves the Geauga County Home Guard, the third division of the Ohio Defense Force Home Guard.
What the group printed in these flyers and placed in the mailboxes of residents living on Swine Creek Road isn't exactly instilling confidence. It is scaring some to death.
Middlefield is known for it's old world culture, scenic views and peaceful living.
Lacy Fair, the single mother of Anna and four-year-old Emerald, says her serenity is about to be interrupted by militia training just two doors down.
"I don't want to be a part of this and it's in my neighborhood," Fair said.
Fair and other residents of Swine Creek Road found notices in their mailboxes Tuesday.
They read, on April 17th, armed and uniformed civilians, citizen soldiers will perform military exercises including live fire weapons training.
"You got to be kidding me and what about my kids?" Fair asked.
All this is happening at the home of new neighbor Brandon Drabek, who is also the spokesman to the Ohio Defense Home Guard.
Drabek was not home at the time and declined an on-camera interview.
The Home Guard spokesman says his organization is a militia that is pro-government.
The training is to back up the Ohio National Guard in case of emergency, Drabek said.
For a pro government organization, they are clearly anti-gun control. On Home Guard's website and another linked site, you find plenty of Second Amendment rhetoric.
"They love their guns and I love my kids," Fair said.
Fair and other neighbors are concerned with the images their kids may be subject to during training exercises, but more importantly, the possibility of a stray bullet.
© 2009 WKYC-TV
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Let me guess, AP wire story?
"What about the kids?" - gun grabbers always make it about the kids. One of our local politicians started doing that, issue was sidewalks and our having to pay for new ones in the new part of town and the older parts - where the City Council lived - did not have to put them in. Her comment was about the safety of the children in our neighborhood - conveniently not mentioning about the children in her neighborhood. Shut her down completely when I pointed that out - and then denounced all politicians who hide arbitrary gummint mandates and force behind children.
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Sounds like bunch of rocket scientists to me. Alienate the neighbors and make them think that anyone with an assault rifle is a rambo wannabe or a crazed militia nut job. The part about "live fire excersizes" in a neighborhood, as oppsed to say renting someones farm for the weekend, is a nice touch. Thanks guys, really, I mean it. Please give an address so I can show you how much I appreciate your help.
fughtingquaker13
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Sounds like bunch of rocket scientists to me. Alienate the neighbors and make them think that anyone with an assault rifle is a rambo wannabe or a crazed militia nut job. The part about "live fire excersizes" in a neighborhood, as oppsed to say renting someones farm for the weekend, is a nice touch. Thanks guys, really, I mean it. Please give an address so I can show you how much I appreciate your help.
fughtingquaker13
Here ya go:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=109740&catid=3
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The article does not mention the population density in this "neighborhood".
"Middlefield is known for it's old world culture, scenic views and peaceful living."
Sounds to me like it could very well BE happening on a farm and they are just letting the neighbors know what all the gun fire will be about.
"Fair and other neighbors are concerned with the images their kids may be subject to during training exercises,"
Seeing civilians training to protect their community and neighbors sets such a terrible precedent ?
Many States have "Home Guard" units, they are provided for by law. These units were responsible for a surprising amount of our security operations during WWII but fell out of popularity during the "Me" generations.
Their purpose is Civil defense and augmentation of the National Guard and they place themselves under the command of the state Governor.
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Here ya go:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=109740&catid=3
The original news article didn't mention thet that the area was rural or abutted a state park. How odd. I'll rteract most of my comments, but the guy does need towork on his pr skills.
fightingquaker13
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The original mews article mention thet tharea was rural or abutted a state park. How odd. I'll rtract most of my comments, but the guy does need towork on his pr skille
fightingquaker13
No, the treasonous socialists need to quit slanting stories to advance their anti American agenda.
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TOUCHE Tom
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From what I understand about the original television report. They made the militia group cast as if they were some sort of hate group instead of a home guard, or national guard support militia. The news report gave off a feeling of being invaded. Also, the host of this training event, and landowner participates in civil war re-enactments, and is taking a beating as a war mongering, gun toting, cowboy. I don't see how being a re-enactment participant has any relevancy to the notice given to training exercises anyways?
I think the guy was being a good neighbor by letting them know when and where this event was going to happen. As far as the news report goes; I didn't, as many others take much appreciation in the portrayal of this landowner before he even had a chance to tell his story. Not that I would have, after the way he's been treated thus far. Apparently by all accounts of the Geauga Co. Sheriff's Office; he's not broken any laws, and has the same rights as the people complaining about him. I say good for him. Maybe my buddies and I will ride our motor scooters out there and give the home guard a home guard, while they train? Na, my wife won't let me anyways! Ain't it peculiar how women sometimes have the ability to take the "patriot" right out of a fella? Thanks for everyone's replys.
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.................. Na, my wife won't let me anyways! Ain't it peculiar how women sometimes have the ability to take the "patriot" right out of a fella? Thanks for everyone's replys.
Do you guys reckon' we'd have the idiot president we have if it weren't for women voters? There, I said it and I don't care. Guys, ya'll need to cinch up on that sack. Even my wife says, with disgust I might add, that most women walk on their husbands....and who's fault would that be.
And I don't give a rat's behind what some willy-nilly, scared, do-gooder woman thinks. Don't give them the time of day if they try to tell you what to do...tell 'em to move over there's a man around to run things now they've got nothing to worry about.
Cinch 'em up boys.
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Do you guys reckon' we'd have the idiot president we have if it weren't for women voters? There, I said it and I don't care. Guys, ya'll need to cinch up on that sack. Even my wife says, with disgust I might add, that most women walk on their husbands....and who's fault would that be.
And I don't give a rat's behind what some willy-nilly, scared, do-gooder woman thinks. Don't give them the time of day if they try to tell you what to do...tell 'em to move over there's a man around to run things now they've got nothing to worry about.
Cinch 'em up boys.
Just out of curiosity rastus, did you read Marshalette's post on the hunting thread about her 11 point buck? Just to refresh your memory, she climbed up a thorny tree to her stand and took the shot at 200yds. She shot him once in the chest, it didn't do the job (probably, in your view; not mine never, never,mine because she was girl :-X) any way the buck ran and she took the Texas heart shot, clipping off the family jewels in the process of kiling his ass. She then proceeds to drag him back to the truck and singlehandly hoists a 200 ilb buck into the bed.
You, my friend can "cinch yours up. Me I like mine firmly attached. once again :-X :-X :-X. They don't hand out Ph.Ds at the door at UT.
fightingquaker13
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Do you guys reckon' we'd have the idiot president we have if it weren't for women voters? There, I said it and I don't care. Guys, ya'll need to cinch up on that sack. Even my wife says, with disgust I might add, that most women walk on their husbands....and who's fault would that be.
And I don't give a rat's behind what some willy-nilly, scared, do-gooder woman thinks. Don't give them the time of day if they try to tell you what to do...tell 'em to move over there's a man around to run things now they've got nothing to worry about.
Cinch 'em up boys.
I been saying that since the dumb b!tches elected jimmy carter.
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I been saying that since the dumb b!tches elected jimmy carter.
Easy on the lady folk fellas, or we'll all be cinchin up, yankin, and slappin it around by ourselves!
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Easy on the lady folk fellas, or we'll all be cinchin up, yankin, and slappin it around by ourselves!
I knew there was a reason I liked you, smart with a highly developed sense of self preservation. I said I wouldn't bring up the pro-choice thing again, and I won't, but this is simply a cautionary tale. When I was in school I was very involved with the campus pro-choice group. Some of my buddies wanted to form a rugby team for our dorm. I told them I couldn't participate as the choice group and ROTC ate up my time. I was asked, "Why would you rather spend time with a bunch of girls than playing sports"? To which I responded, "A. spend my afternoons rolling around in the mud with a bunch of sweaty guys or B. I spend them drinking beer with a beer with a bunch of liberal women who are all about sexual liberation. You do the the math". Coroner I am right there with you.
fightingquaker13 and
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None of you have mentioned the fact that even if the government didn't like these guys, even the liberals cannot take their guns away. Well regulated militia...heard that before?
The first time the pass a bill about taking my guns, I am am founding the "Well Regulated Militia Org." and they can fight me in court on that. There is not a chance in hell that they would win a court case against me. and by the time they got all the way to the Supreme Court...I would have 20 million members. ;)
I might even found it tonight. Anyone want to join?
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None of you have mentioned the fact that even if the government didn't like these guys, even the liberals cannot take their guns away. Well regulated militia...heard that before?
The first time the pass a bill about taking my guns, I am am founding the "Well Regulated Militia Org." and they can fight me in court on that. There is not a chance in hell that they would win a court case against me. and by the time they got all the way to the Supreme Court...I would have 20 million members. ;)
I might even found it tonight. Anyone want to join?
I'm In if there's no physical limits. ( Heart attack a few years ago )
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I knew there was a reason I liked you, smart with a highly developed sense of self preservation. I said I wouldn't bring up the pro-choice thing again, and I won't, but this is simply a cautionary tale. When I was in school I was very involved with the campus pro-choice group. Some of my buddies wanted to form a rugby team for our dorm. I told them I couldn't participate as the choice group and ROTC ate up my time. I was asked, "Why would you rather spend time with a bunch of girls than playing sports"? To which I responded, "A. spend my afternoons rolling around in the mud with a bunch of sweaty guys or B. I spend them drinking beer with a beer with a bunch of liberal women who are all about sexual liberation. You do the the math". Coroner I am right there with you.
fightingquaker13 and
I'm not going to put words in Rastus' mouth, but I THINK what he was trying to convey was that our political discourse has been skewed heavily toward the issues that concern women since they ratcheted up their involvement in politics from the '60's onward. In other words, things like Social Security, universal health care, reproductive rights, and public safety are all things that most women care about. And some have used these issues to advance a very socialist agenda, an agenda that is very hostile to our 2A rights. Therefore if men want their issues heard and acted upon, they must get reengaged in the process and start working to reshape the debate.
If one watches the local or national news, one will notice that many of the reporters and anchors are women. Naturally, they are going to report the news from a view point that relates to women. I'm not suggesting that there is some grand cabal out there trying to emasculate the men in the political discourse. But if one watches the news, even the advertising on television, is made for and heavily promoted for women.
And before any slams me for being a chauvinist, I gave a much broader and deeper speech in college on this subject and the intellectually honest women and men agreed with me. The ones who had an ax to grind attempted to marginalize and discredit me.....
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I'm not going to put words in Rastus' mouth, but I THINK what he was trying to convey was that our political discourse has been skewed heavily toward the issues that concern women since they ratcheted up their involvement in politics from the '60's onward. In other words, things like Social Security, universal health care, reproductive rights, and public safety are all things that most women care about. And some have used these issues to advance a very socialist agenda, an agenda that is very hostile to our 2A rights. Therefore if men want their issues heard and acted upon, they must get reengaged in the process and start working to reshape the debate.
If one watches the local or national news, one will notice that many of the reporters and anchors are women. Naturally, they are going to report the news from a view point that relates to women. I'm not suggesting that there is some grand cabal out there trying to emasculate the men in the political discourse. But if one watches the news, even the advertising on television, is made for and heavily promoted for women.
And before any slams me for being a chauvinist, I gave a much broader and deeper speech in college on this subject and the intellectually honest women and men agreed with me. The ones who had an ax to grind attempted to marginalize and discredit me.....
I agree on a lot of the facts and I think its a good thing. If I'm hearing you correctly you are saying:
1)50% of our population stood up for themselves and are now represented. Bringing in a new perspective brought new issues into political prominance, as what was considered private and "apolitical" when men didn't have to do it, all of a sudden became a matter of public concern; just like workplace issues like wages, hours and freedom of contract were always political because they were mens issues. Having women reporters meant that issues pertaining to women that had been ignored by men, became newsworthy, because just like men, women tend to address those things they feel most strongly about.
2) Advrtisers are now catering to this new species known as "woman". Largely because both male and female researchers finally noticed that women watch more TV and do most of the household shopping, even in two income households. Its just like how the media discovered old farts.I swear to God, I diagnose myself with a dozen different diseases and know the namee the wonder pill to cure them just from watching an hour of cable news. Wheres Geritol when you need it? Its called following the money.
As far as 2A stuff goes once again its because hunting and guns and the military were considered a male thing. No girls allowed the club house. Don't trouble yourself little lady, you've got a big strong man to protect you. You wonder why women aren't as into this as men are? It just wasn't part of the culture. Doing ROTC in the late eighties I was with the first generation of women who could expect to be taken seriously as officers. Even then the patriachal, patronizing views that women were too delicate to be in combat, kill somebody or horrors be captured and raped (as though tihs never happens to male POWs), were offensive to lot of my male classmates. The thing is we reap what we sow. BUT with ccw laws, the take back the night movement a strong, individualistic sense of feminism that tells women my age (pushing forty) and younger that they won't be victims ,we are seeing a marked increase in women getting involved in defense issues and the shooting sports. Its just like women's sports, you want them to get involved take them seriously.
Equality, respect and capitalism. As a good libertarian, I like it!! Girls are Cool
fightingquaker13
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I'm not going to put words in Rastus' mouth, but I THINK what he was trying to convey was that our political discourse has been skewed heavily toward the issues that concern women since they ratcheted up their involvement in politics from the '60's onward. In other words, things like Social Security, universal health care, reproductive rights, and public safety are all things that most women care about. And some have used these issues to advance a very socialist agenda, an agenda that is very hostile to our 2A rights. Therefore if men want their issues heard and acted upon, they must get reengaged in the process and start working to reshape the debate.
If one watches the local or national news, one will notice that many of the reporters and anchors are women. Naturally, they are going to report the news from a view point that relates to women. I'm not suggesting that there is some grand cabal out there trying to emasculate the men in the political discourse. But if one watches the news, even the advertising on television, is made for and heavily promoted for women.
And before any slams me for being a chauvinist, I gave a much broader and deeper speech in college on this subject and the intellectually honest women and men agreed with me. The ones who had an ax to grind attempted to marginalize and discredit me.....
I totally agree with you. I think there are alot of women who think they have to compete with men, when working in a "man's environment" so-to-speak. They behave like they have to prove something, rather than deal with the daily task, and go home when their shift's over. A horrible position to be in if you are a man working under a female, is that she will show her authority without hesitation if your not performing to her expectations. I've seen it time and time again. While I love strong women, I value their sensibility far more. And when a woman feels she has something to prove; she will beat that path bare.
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I agree on a lot of the facts and I think its a good thing. If I'm hearing you correctly you are saying:
1)50% of our population stood up for themselves and are now represented. Bringing in a new perspective brought new issues into political prominance, as what was considered private and "apolitical" when men didn't have to do it, all of a sudden became a matter of public concern; just like workplace issues like wages, hours and freedom of contract were always political because they were mens issues. Having women reporters meant that issues pertaining to women that had been ignored by men, became newsworthy, because just like men, women tend to address those things they feel most strongly about.
2) Advrtisers are now catering to this new species known as "woman". Largely because both male and female researchers finally noticed that women watch more TV and do most of the household shopping, even in two income households. Its just like how the media discovered old farts.I swear to God, I diagnose myself with a dozen different diseases and know the namee the wonder pill to cure them just from watching an hour of cable news. Wheres Geritol when you need it? Its called following the money.
As far as 2A stuff goes once again its because hunting and guns and the military were considered a male thing. No girls allowed the club house. Don't trouble yourself little lady, you've got a big strong man to protect you. You wonder why women aren't as into this as men are? It just wasn't part of the culture. Doing ROTC in the late eighties I was with the first generation of women who could expect to be taken seriously as officers. Even then the patriachal, patronizing views that women were too delicate to be in combat, kill somebody or horrors be captured and raped (as though tihs never happens to male POWs), were offensive to lot of my male classmates. The thing is we reap what we sow. BUT with ccw laws, the take back the night movement a strong, individualistic sense of feminism that tells women my age (pushing forty) and younger that they won't be victims ,we are seeing a marked increase in women getting involved in defense issues and the shooting sports. Its just like women's sports, you want them to get involved take them seriously.
Equality, respect and capitalism. As a good libertarian, I like it!! Girls are Cool
fightingquaker13
I think you and I are generally on the same page here.....Thanks for the follow up, as I think you have some good points.....
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I totally agree with you......While I love strong women, I value their sensibility far more. And when a woman feels she has something to prove; she will beat that path bare.
To completely take this discussion off topic.......
Coroner,
I think you summarized very smartly what happens when feminism runs to its extremes.
For me what I like in a woman is one who is fully developed intellectually and emotionally. She has enough of the old fashioned values that allow a man to do for her but knowing full well she is capable of doing them herself if she desires. She is smart, capable, confident and assured- all of these qualities are very sexy to me.
Now back to the topic......
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To completely take this discussion off topic.......
Coroner,
I think you summarized very smartly what happens when feminism runs to its extremes.
For me what I like in a woman is one who is fully developed intellectually and emotionally. She has enough of the old fashioned values that allow a man to do for her but knowing full well she is capable of doing them herself if she desires. She is smart, capable, confident and assured- all of these qualities are very sexy to me.
Now back to the topic......
Agreed!
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To completely take this discussion off topic.......
Coroner,
I think you summarized very smartly what happens when feminism runs to its extremes.
For me what I like in a woman is one who is fully developed intellectually and emotionally. She has enough of the old fashioned values that allow a man to do for her but knowing full well she is capable of doing them herself if she desires. She is smart, capable, confident and assured- all of these qualities are very sexy to me.
Now back to the topic......
Got to jump in here to point out a point of disagreement, just the readers are clear where we stand. Not that I want argue because you're entitled to your opinion, and as you say it may be a bit off topic, but when has that mattered on this board? ;D The thing is that what coroner is talkng about isn't "feminism pushed to extremes" its just the reaction of someone who knows or thinks, that a woman has to work twice as hard and be twice as tough as a man to be taken seriously as a supervisor. As I said before, you reap what you sow. Generations of sexism, cause a lot of women to (often rightly) feel they're not really in the club, but being talked down to or ignored. This pisses folks off. Its not a female thing its a human thing. Race, gender sexual oreintation all of these are irrelevant to who we are as individuals and we all, particularly straight white guys like us, need to take it into account. I AM NOT saying we need to guilty or anything remotely like it. Rather, that because we've rarely had to feel that we had to anything more than the job or that we had to prove something, we need to recognize it when we see it, and try to make sure that we don't send off the "no girls in club house vibe" and treat individuals as individuals. Maybe its a generational thing but I don't want a woman who'll let a man do for her. I want someone who is as strong tough and stubborn as me. I think that gender is as meaningless as race, other than the irrelvant biological trivia and the whole toliet seat issue. If you prefer an old fashioned girl there's plenty of them and nothing wrong with that. Me, I want a gun toting feminist who would let me do for her the day after she's dead.
fightingquaker13
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I'm not going to put words in Rastus' mouth, but I THINK what he was trying to convey was that our political discourse has been skewed heavily toward the issues that concern women since they ratcheted up their involvement in politics from the '60's onward. In other words, things like Social Security, universal health care, reproductive rights, and public safety are all things that most women care about. And some have used these issues to advance a very socialist agenda, an agenda that is very hostile to our 2A rights. Therefore if men want their issues heard and acted upon, they must get reengaged in the process and start working to reshape the debate.
If one watches the local or national news, one will notice that many of the reporters and anchors are women. Naturally, they are going to report the news from a view point that relates to women. I'm not suggesting that there is some grand cabal out there trying to emasculate the men in the political discourse. But if one watches the news, even the advertising on television, is made for and heavily promoted for women.
And before any slams me for being a chauvinist, I gave a much broader and deeper speech in college on this subject and the intellectually honest women and men agreed with me. The ones who had an ax to grind attempted to marginalize and discredit me.....
I agree on a lot of the facts and I think its a good thing. If I'm hearing you correctly you are saying:
1)50% of our population stood up for themselves and are now represented. Bringing in a new perspective brought new issues into political prominance, as what was considered private and "apolitical" when men didn't have to do it, all of a sudden became a matter of public concern; just like workplace issues like wages, hours and freedom of contract were always political because they were mens issues. Having women reporters meant that issues pertaining to women that had been ignored by men, became newsworthy, because just like men, women tend to address those things they feel most strongly about.
2) Advrtisers are now catering to this new species known as "woman". Largely because both male and female researchers finally noticed that women watch more TV and do most of the household shopping, even in two income households. Its just like how the media discovered old farts.I swear to God, I diagnose myself with a dozen different diseases and know the namee the wonder pill to cure them just from watching an hour of cable news. Wheres Geritol when you need it? Its called following the money.
As far as 2A stuff goes once again its because hunting and guns and the military were considered a male thing. No girls allowed the club house. Don't trouble yourself little lady, you've got a big strong man to protect you. You wonder why women aren't as into this as men are? It just wasn't part of the culture. Doing ROTC in the late eighties I was with the first generation of women who could expect to be taken seriously as officers. Even then the patriachal, patronizing views that women were too delicate to be in combat, kill somebody or horrors be captured and raped (as though tihs never happens to male POWs), were offensive to lot of my male classmates. The thing is we reap what we sow. BUT with ccw laws, the take back the night movement a strong, individualistic sense of feminism that tells women my age (pushing forty) and younger that they won't be victims ,we are seeing a marked increase in women getting involved in defense issues and the shooting sports. Its just like women's sports, you want them to get involved take them seriously.
Equality, respect and capitalism. As a good libertarian, I like it!! Girls are Cool
fightingquaker13
What a load of crap. Look at the Presidents we had BEFORE women got the vote, Lincoln, TR REAL statesmen, look what we've had since. Kennedy, carter, Clinton,now this piece of crap. That turd Kerry got votes because he "had nice hair".
The excessive female influence on America culture is why we are over run with genderless touchy feely metrosexual slugs.
The average American "male" (I will not call them "men" because they aren't) has only 2 things on his mind, nailing some twenty something bimbo with big boobs and pacifying the domineering pseudo dyke he's married to.
Think I'm wrong, what's all this "uni sex" crap, hair stylists, 30 brands each of deodorant, after shave, etc. If you fart at a bean supper you'll be just about run out of town.
The genders have their places in the world, you can't saw a chicken into lumber and you can't fry a tree.
I'm a MAN, I EARN my living by WORKING, I burp and fart and when I sweat I stink. I don't respect phonies, and I think Nancy Pelosi's husband would back hand if he had any balls left but he's from Ca.
and any one offended by that can kiss my unperfumed, butt.
Rant Off ;D
I started this post disgusted by the attitude of "all hail the sacred female" then I decided to rub every ones nose in how wimpy we have become .
The truth is that men and women have had their equal place in the scheme of things all through history. They are equal, OPPOSITE halves of a whole, the role of the woman , because of how she is built is to run the house, bear and raise children. They are responsible for the healing arts, herbalism, teaching and other things that involve emotion. poetry and romance were invented to impress women.
Mans place has been to support the house, hunting, defending, building, that's why men develop more muscle mass than REAL women. And in NORMAL times man is the undisputed leader of the pair because man works on logic instead of emotion.
This society that we have created that requires both parents to work outside the home has disturbed that balance and we are paying the price for it with crime because of an illogical emotion based legal system that thinks "punishment" is mean.
That is why we are being invaded by Mexico, because actually enforcing our immigration laws isn't "fair" to a bunch of people who screwed up their own country and now they want to do the same thing somewhere else, like slash and burn farmers.
We're paying for it with a worthless education system because comparative testing makes the dumb and the lazy "feel bad", it's not "empowering",we are paying for it with a budget deficit that is heading toward 3 times the total value of all production on the planet, because every dead beat, leach, and loser "deserves".
Well hey, tough. Life is hard and just like capitalism in business, in the real world not every one succeeds and the ones don't die.
I know some one will bring up Queen Elizabeth, Queen Victoria, Golda Meir, Margret Thatcher etc etc. They were flukes, that's why they stand out from the crowd. You want to see where we are headed with our "gender neutral" society ? They have been governed by effeminate twits for a 1000 years, more concerned with their curls and their "pagentry" than accomplishing anything of actual substance. And they have been broke for about 800 years , they are the only European nation to loose a war with MEXICO. France is a joke and we are heading down the same path.
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Tom
I'm not really sure how to respond to that other than to say you would be well advised to avoid most of my female friends lest they demonstrate the "healing arts" in a manner involving sharp objects expertly applied (my sort of girl friend/friendly friend is a trauma surgeon) or perhaps you'd give her a chance to answer her questions about the wound channels caused by +p 9mm vs .45 based on side by side comparison so she can finally decide which glock she'll keep and which she'll sell .(Maybe now she'll give it to me since she'll realize what an enlightened sort I am ;D). Seriously dude, the Taliban is hiring, chill. Our bodies are shells with limitations that say what we can't do, not what we must do. Soul, mind, intellect, will, this is what makes us who we are as individuals. The rest is just cullturally constructed static, buttressed with ex-post facto arguments to justify the positions of those who are sittng fat and jhappy at the moment. I like beer and girls jumping on trampolines as much as the next guy, but lets remember thatpre-sufferage we also got Buchanan and Grant. Unless you want a short brunette to show up at your house and duct tape you to a chair to watch endless hours of the view, broken up only by interludes of viewing naked pictures of Rosie, chill.
fightingquaker13 who is concerned for your man parts if marshalette reads your post
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I think if M'ette read what I said she would be forced to agree with me. All existence is a matter of balance. We get growing seasons based on a balance between temperature and light, Good can not exist with out the existence of evil, the fertility of the (feminine) Earth would produce nothing with out the warmth and light provided by the (masculine) Sun.
While other countries may have provided an occasion "freak of nature" (exceptions that prove the rule ) like Cathrine the Great or Indira Gandhi, Women in American politics have proven to be a so far unmitigated disaster. They have provided an uninterrupted line of poor judgment from Jennette Rankin and Margret Chase Smith, right up to Nancy Pelosi and Olympia Snow.
Catering to the emotionalism that women bring to politics, which should be governed by reason, logic and historical precedent, has given us, Prohibition, (that worked out well), removal of prayer from schools (O'Hare who later recanted on her opinions ), Abortion, The number one smoke screen issue of the last 40 years, the give away of ridiculous amounts of money in self defeating "welfare" subsidies that encourage low income women to stay home and be brood sows for increased bennies. There are probably many other examples but I'm posting off the top of my head and they come to mind, but I think these are sufficient to make my point that the "balance" has been skewed and we are seeing the results around us.
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Got to jump in here to point out a point of disagreement, just the readers are clear where we stand.
Not that anyone really gives two do-diddys about what you or I think, but go ahead.....
Not that I want argue because you're entitled to your opinion
....that's good to know but I guess you're going to pick a fight with me anyway..... ;)
The thing is that what coroner is talkng about isn't "feminism pushed to extremes" its just the reaction of someone who knows or thinks, that a woman has to work twice as hard and be twice as tough as a man to be taken seriously as a supervisor.
Well, uh, I hate to be contradictory here, but look at his response to me....
As I said before, you reap what you sow.
What?! I can assure you that I am no proprietor of agrarian social discord!
I AM NOT saying we need to guilty or anything remotely like it.
I don't know- it kind of reads like that is what you are suggesting....
Maybe its a generational thing but I don't want a woman who'll let a man do for her. I want someone who is as strong tough and stubborn as me.
I hope that someday you come to appreciate the wisdom buried in my statements. I had to do alot of seeking, thinking, asking, listening and living to come to that point.....
I think that gender is as meaningless as race, other than the irrelvant biological trivia and the whole toliet seat issue.....
Really? I tried that when I was younger on my auto insurance and the agent just smiled and told me the statistics stated otherwise and that young men tend to be more reckless than young women. So I had to pay up....Also, that statement comes from a long discredited view of the sexes. Only the most strident of feminists and their proteges still embrace that view....
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What a load of crap. Look at the Presidents we had BEFORE women got the vote, Lincoln, TR REAL statesmen, look what we've had since. Kennedy, carter, Clinton,now this piece of crap. That turd Kerry got votes because he "had nice hair".
The excessive female influence on America culture is why we are over run with genderless touchy feely metrosexual slugs.
The average American "male" (I will not call them "men" because they aren't) has only 2 things on his mind, nailing some twenty something bimbo with big boobs and pacifying the domineering pseudo dyke he's married to.
Think I'm wrong, what's all this "uni sex" crap, hair stylists, 30 brands each of deodorant, after shave, etc. If you fart at a bean supper you'll be just about run out of town.
The genders have their places in the world, you can't saw a chicken into lumber and you can't fry a tree.
I'm a MAN, I EARN my living by WORKING, I burp and fart and when I sweat I stink. I don't respect phonies, and I think Nancy Pelosi's husband would back hand if he had any balls left but he's from Ca.
and any one offended by that can kiss my unperfumed, butt.
Rant Off ;D
I started this post disgusted by the attitude of "all hail the sacred female" then I decided to rub every ones nose in how wimpy we have become .
The truth is that men and women have had their equal place in the scheme of things all through history. They are equal, OPPOSITE halves of a whole, the role of the woman , because of how she is built is to run the house, bear and raise children. They are responsible for the healing arts, herbalism, teaching and other things that involve emotion. poetry and romance were invented to impress women.
Mans place has been to support the house, hunting, defending, building, that's why men develop more muscle mass than REAL women. And in NORMAL times man is the undisputed leader of the pair because man works on logic instead of emotion.
This society that we have created that requires both parents to work outside the home has disturbed that balance and we are paying the price for it with crime because of an illogical emotion based legal system that thinks "punishment" is mean.
That is why we are being invaded by Mexico, because actually enforcing our immigration laws isn't "fair" to a bunch of people who screwed up their own country and now they want to do the same thing somewhere else, like slash and burn farmers.
We're paying for it with a worthless education system because comparative testing makes the dumb and the lazy "feel bad", it's not "empowering",we are paying for it with a budget deficit that is heading toward 3 times the total value of all production on the planet, because every dead beat, leach, and loser "deserves".
Well hey, tough. Life is hard and just like capitalism in business, in the real world not every one succeeds and the ones don't die.
I know some one will bring up Queen Elizabeth, Queen Victoria, Golda Meir, Margret Thatcher etc etc. They were flukes, that's why they stand out from the crowd. You want to see where we are headed with our "gender neutral" society ? They have been governed by effeminate twits for a 1000 years, more concerned with their curls and their "pagentry" than accomplishing anything of actual substance. And they have been broke for about 800 years , they are the only European nation to loose a war with MEXICO. France is a joke and we are heading down the same path.
Oh Thomas! There have been plenty of women who have helped bring our society to its current enlightened state. For example, let's look at Madonna.
She harnessed all of the messages from the feminists of the 1960's and put it on display for all to see starting in the '80's. Madonna is a very savvy businesswoman too. I don't know of anyone, other than Mick Jagger, who has been able to reinvent themselves time and again. And let's not forget that Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, Katy Perry, Angelina Jolie, and other notable young women pay homage to her every time the come into the public eye.
;) ;) ;D ;D
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Oh Thomas! There have been plenty of women who have helped bring our society to its current enlightened state. For example, let's look at Madonna.
She harnessed all of the messages from the feminists of the 1960's and put it on display for all to see starting in the '80's. Madonna is a very savvy businesswoman too. I don't know of anyone, other than Mick Jagger, who has been able to reinvent themselves time and again. And let's not forget that Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, Katy Perry, Angelina Jolie, and other notable young women pay homage to her every time the come into the public eye.
;) ;) ;D ;D
And I wouldn't walk across the street to greet any one of them.
Tom is right in his own neat way. There is a balance, it has nothing to do with jobs per se, but roles we are to play. If a woman is a trauma surgeon with kids at home, well, there is a role she is not playing. And do you think she is any tougher having to be a surgeon in a man's world - tougher than the pioneer women who built this West? They had to do everything a man had to do - drive a wagon, walk (while he quite probably rode a horse) AND take care of the kids, bury them too along the way, educate them, feed them, and everything else that came along. And then build a cabin when they found "home"
The current culture did start developing, away from from one of the norms that built this country, back in the early sixties with permissive child rearing from Dr. Spock. And there was pressure from outside - the late 60's saw the so-called "anti-war" movement which was financed by International Communists - the same ones that back ANSWER and other organizations.
People like Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher achieved their positions after their families were grown. Not the same as a surgeon who leaves the care and feeding of her children to a stranger. For the record, so did I - and I am paying for it now with children who think of themselves as independent but who bleat with the rest of the sheeple. Maybe at a different pitch, but they were Bush-haters along with everyone else in their crowds, saw bho as "hope" for his "change".
So it is not about jobs, it is about roles - and balance. We have lost that balance, and rebuilding after the likes of bho and his ilk will be an uphill climb. Our ancestors could do it. I'm not sure about the current and next generation
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Oh Thomas! There have been plenty of women who have helped bring our society to its current enlightened state. For example, let's look at Madonna.
She harnessed all of the messages from the feminists of the 1960's and put it on display for all to see starting in the '80's. Madonna is a very savvy businesswoman too. I don't know of anyone, other than Mick Jagger, who has been able to reinvent themselves time and again. And let's not forget that Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, Katy Perry, Angelina Jolie, and other notable young women pay homage to her every time the come into the public eye.
;) ;) ;D ;D
Proves my point. $100 million a year says she was indeed a savvy business woman (2nd only to Queen Elizabeth II), but look at her politics, she's naive at best.
By the way , about the "wimpification" of America
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5827.0.html
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Hee hee! You guys all crack me up! No, really! I'm not exactly sure how or why we got on the whole subject of women with my post topic, but I do know this....I could really stand to be slapped around a bit by Robin Meade, from Headline News for a day! Anyone want to join me? :D
Love you guys! I mean that! Not in a "homosexual way"...well, maybe a slap on the ass. But that's how us teammates used to "high fiver" each other. Remember? No? Ahh, hell with it then. LOL! Your arguments, rants, & disagreements, on off-subject-topics keep me coming back everyday. Thanks for such great fun fellas! ;D
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Hee hee! You guys all crack me up! No, really! I'm not exactly sure how or why we got on the whole subject of women with my post topic, but I do know this....I could really stand to be slapped around a bit by Robin Meade, from Headline News for a day! Anyone want to join me? :D
Love you guys! I mean that! Not in a "homosexual way"...well, maybe a slap on the ass. But that's how us teammates used to "high fiver" each other. Remember? No? Ahh, hell with it then. LOL! Your arguments, rants, & disagreements, on off-subject-topics keep me coming back everyday. Thanks for such great fun fellas! ;D
No problem! I'm glad I could help.....I could use a spankin' from Jane Skinner of FOX News too.... ;) ;D
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Blame Rastus, He got me started ;D
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Blame Rastus, He got me started ;D
That would require me to reset my default reply from "Its all Tom's fault". Too much trouble and it still is about nintey percent accurate. ;D
fightingquaker13
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Well I can't use that one so I'm blaming Rastus. ;D
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Blame Rastus, He got me started ;D
But you know you love it.
What a load of crap. Look at the Presidents we had BEFORE women got the vote, Lincoln, TR REAL statesmen, look what we've had since. Kennedy, carter, Clinton,now this piece of crap. That turd Kerry got votes because he "had nice hair".
The excessive female influence on America culture is why we are over run with genderless touchy feely metrosexual slugs.
The average American "male" (I will not call them "men" because they aren't) has only 2 things on his mind, nailing some twenty something bimbo with big boobs and pacifying the domineering pseudo dyke he's married to.
Think I'm wrong, what's all this "uni sex" crap, hair stylists, 30 brands each of deodorant, after shave, etc. If you fart at a bean supper you'll be just about run out of town.
The genders have their places in the world, you can't saw a chicken into lumber and you can't fry a tree.
I'm a MAN, I EARN my living by WORKING, I burp and fart and when I sweat I stink. I don't respect phonies, and I think Nancy Pelosi's husband would back hand if he had any balls left but he's from Ca.
and any one offended by that can kiss my unperfumed, butt.
Rant Off ;D
I started this post disgusted by the attitude of "all hail the sacred female" then I decided to rub every ones nose in how wimpy we have become .
The truth is that men and women have had their equal place in the scheme of things all through history. They are equal, OPPOSITE halves of a whole, the role of the woman , because of how she is built is to run the house, bear and raise children. They are responsible for the healing arts, herbalism, teaching and other things that involve emotion. poetry and romance were invented to impress women.
Mans place has been to support the house, hunting, defending, building, that's why men develop more muscle mass than REAL women. And in NORMAL times man is the undisputed leader of the pair because man works on logic instead of emotion.
This society that we have created that requires both parents to work outside the home has disturbed that balance and we are paying the price for it with crime because of an illogical emotion based legal system that thinks "punishment" is mean.
That is why we are being invaded by Mexico, because actually enforcing our immigration laws isn't "fair" to a bunch of people who screwed up their own country and now they want to do the same thing somewhere else, like slash and burn farmers.
We're paying for it with a worthless education system because comparative testing makes the dumb and the lazy "feel bad", it's not "empowering",we are paying for it with a budget deficit that is heading toward 3 times the total value of all production on the planet, because every dead beat, leach, and loser "deserves".
Well hey, tough. Life is hard and just like capitalism in business, in the real world not every one succeeds and the ones don't die.
I know some one will bring up Queen Elizabeth, Queen Victoria, Golda Meir, Margret Thatcher etc etc. They were flukes, that's why they stand out from the crowd. You want to see where we are headed with our "gender neutral" society ? They have been governed by effeminate twits for a 1000 years, more concerned with their curls and their "pagentry" than accomplishing anything of actual substance. And they have been broke for about 800 years , they are the only European nation to loose a war with MEXICO. France is a joke and we are heading down the same path.
Yup. I'm in on this one.
And I wouldn't walk across the street to greet any one of them.
Tom is right in his own neat way. There is a balance, it has nothing to do with jobs per se, but roles we are to play. If a woman is a trauma surgeon with kids at home, well, there is a role she is not playing. And do you think she is any tougher having to be a surgeon in a man's world - tougher than the pioneer women who built this West? They had to do everything a man had to do - drive a wagon, walk (while he quite probably rode a horse) AND take care of the kids, bury them too along the way, educate them, feed them, and everything else that came along. And then build a cabin when they found "home"
The current culture did start developing, away from from one of the norms that built this country, back in the early sixties with permissive child rearing from Dr. Spock. And there was pressure from outside - the late 60's saw the so-called "anti-war" movement which was financed by International Communists - the same ones that back ANSWER and other organizations.
People like Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher achieved their positions after their families were grown. Not the same as a surgeon who leaves the care and feeding of her children to a stranger. For the record, so did I - and I am paying for it now with children who think of themselves as independent but who bleat with the rest of the sheeple. Maybe at a different pitch, but they were Bush-haters along with everyone else in their crowds, saw bho as "hope" for his "change".
So it is not about jobs, it is about roles - and balance. We have lost that balance, and rebuilding after the likes of bho and his ilk will be an uphill climb. Our ancestors could do it. I'm not sure about the current and next generation
I bet you get things back on track with your children before too long.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=middlefield+oh&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=z9cuSs-QEI_qsgPcjdXECA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1
this exercise is in the middle of some guys ranch looking at the map or its in a natural park reservation. stupid media!
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http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=middlefield+oh&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=z9cuSs-QEI_qsgPcjdXECA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1
this exercise is in the middle of some guys ranch looking at the map or its in a natural park reservation. stupid media!
So whats new there ?
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So whats new there ?
Nothing, but its irritating. I got all pissed off from reading the article thinking that this guy was holding a militia excerize in a suburban neighborhood and was giving us all a bad name. Turns out its a farm in a state forrest who, outside of Sarah Brady, could object to that? This is lying by ommision at its finest.
FQ13
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I just caught up to here (been busy lately), and noticed the donnybrook about men and women and the vote. Most here mentioned the '60s, however you can track the road to prohibition to the woman's-right-to-vote starting in the late 1800s. Now I know I'm gonna step on a few toes, but I'll move forward (hopefully out of range of M'ette and her deer hunting technique).
Here's a news flash (for some): Men and Women are different.
We could go into all the different ways that they're different, but I don't feel like a joint Biology/Anthropology rant. Viva la difference. You can, if you wish to, link the growth of the "daddy state" to the rise of the woman voter. Speaking in generalities, (as we have to do here when we break a 7 billion+ population down to two elements) women look for security. If it cannot be found in a mate or husband, she now can cast a vote to secure her security. Now you can save all the gasps and "how-could-he"s to yourself. It isn't chauvinism, but biology. Men don't have babies. (Don't go there. It's another thread entirely.)
When America abandoned the original intent of the Constitution, it opened these kind of doors. It's simple political entropy.
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See, Even the smart donkey agrees with me ;D
I feel vindicated now. ;D
Nothing, but its irritating. I got all pissed off from reading the article thinking that this guy was holding a militia excerize in a suburban neighborhood and was giving us all a bad name. Turns out its a farm in a state forrest who, outside of Sarah Brady, could object to that? This is lying by ommision at its finest.
FQ13
There was enough ambiguity to the story that anyone who got pissed about it deserves to feel stupid. Besides, I looked at a map, did you think of that ?