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Title: question about what to do
Post by: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 10:38:50 AM: Hello fellas, I have a question on how to react to this and i'm new to this forum and am not sure where this goes in. yesterday my wife was home with my son alone and a black man selling heritage insurance came to the door, and i know this was a mistake, she let him in and they talked about the insurance. i called her from work and she told me this and i told her that wasn't smart and to get her .38 out and lock the doors just in case. She said he was driving a small green car with no hub caps and he gave her no information on the insurance. no card to get ahold of him or nuthing. i made sure today she remembered how to load her gun and reload just in case. any more info on what to do about this or what to look for. thanks everyone.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 21, 2009, 12:15:12 PM: NEVER LET STRANGERS IN YOUR HOUSE. Your wife is VERY lucky that her ill conceived actions have not yet had BAD consequences.
She needs to start watching the news, (every time a story comes on about home invasion, murder, robbery, rape etc. call it to her attention) Have her start watching "The Best Defense".
There is nothing you can do now about her past bad judgment except to increase your precautions. But you need to stress to her the need for AWARENESS, and that this is not the 50's any more. That type of bad judgment can get one or both of you killed.
Exit question : If he's making a living selling Insurance door to door, (does anybody REALLY still do that ?) why no contact info and why is he driving a sh!tbox vehicle ?
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 12:58:47 PM: i would love for her to start watching best defense but she is at work when it is on. i have told her about these things but she said at first she felt safe then while he was in the house she was feeling uneasy. shes kinda of feeling scared that he will come back. he asked about her work and i think he was casing the place. i'm looking into making our bedroom the save room cuz its the only place where she can be safe and has a door on it other then the bath room. she has her 38 and my glock with extra ammo ther and i'm looking for my old cell phone to put in there for her. we done went over the plan just in case.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: Frisco on March 21, 2009, 01:42:16 PM: Quote from: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 12:58:47 PM
i would love for her to start watching best defense but she is at work when it is on. i have told her about these things but she said at first she felt safe then while he was in the house she was feeling uneasy. shes kinda of feeling scared that he will come back. he asked about her work and i think he was casing the place. i'm looking into making our bedroom the save room cuz its the only place where she can be safe and has a door on it other then the bath room. she has her 38 and my glock with extra ammo ther and i'm looking for my old cell phone to put in there for her. we done went over the plan just in case.

Teach her this phrase....."My husband is just getting out of the shower....and he will NOT be interested in whatever you are selling."
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: ismram on March 21, 2009, 01:53:33 PM: It's a terrible thing that we can't trust people like we used to. When I was a child I can remember taking vacations and never locking the doors of the house. I'm not sure that I ever remember the doors locked. This is a different time. We must now think the worst of people, be on constant alert for ourselfs and our faimly's saftey. I think your wife is very lucky that this man #1 maybe was a real insurance agent (A bad one without cards!) or #2 he was only there to case your house at the time, and not there to rob or even do worse things. You and your wife need to use this as a "life lesson", learn from it, plan for future events. I hope you called the police and reported the incident. They may know of a scam going on. They may be able to check with the company to see if this was a real agent. Please sit down together, talk about this. Tom is right AWARENESS is the key! God Bless and Be Safe!
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 03:03:38 PM: thanks fellas, yea i'm usually always aware of things since i started watching best defense has taught me alot of things and i try to teach her these things but it goes in one ear and out the other cuz she says thats what ur interested in and i'm not. no. i didn't call the police becasue i didn't think they could do anything. thats what they usuall tell me when i call about something after it happens. i feel that god is the only thing that kept my wife and son safe at the time. i'm planning for if something goes haywire after while. like a saferoom, weapons, ammo, and protection to keep anyone from getting in the room once we or her are in there.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 21, 2009, 03:20:37 PM: I think the saferoom thing is a good idea for all of us. Putting a $20 deadbolt on a good quality door is a better alternative than having to shoot someone. If they're dumb enough to try and kick it down, well we know where to aim. Plus, just for Haz's benefit I'd say get a dog. They're not trained silent killers like his avatar but they will discourage a lot of folks and least wake you up. Plus every boy needs a dog. Also not to criticise you or your wife, but one thing in the post struck me. You said you reminded her how to load her gun. If she's going to be using it for defense, particularly around your kid, I'd suggest you take her on a romantic date the range. Puts every woman in the mood. Just my .02.
fightingquaker13
PS when you get her there just shoot silouettes at close range. You don't want to shake her confidence and if its only for the house 15 feet is probaly about max range any way. You know big your living room is, start there.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: Pathfinder on March 21, 2009, 04:27:55 PM: VCRs are still available at Wally World and elsewhere for around $50 - assuming you get TOC, which you watch so I assume you do. Tape the episodes, repeats start next month.

Get stickers for the doors advertising ADT or some other security service.

Motion detector front and rear door lights.

Interior lights on variable timers. Just saw an add for a small light that mimics a TV set when you're away - flashes different intensities of blue like a TV screen.

One more thing - training! Hopefully your wife learned her lesson. As the Godfather said - women and children can afford to be careless, men can't. Only today, women can't either.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 21, 2009, 05:17:16 PM: " i try to teach her these things but it goes in one ear and out the other cuz she says thats what ur interested in and i'm not. no."

Ask her if staying alive interests her, doesn't her son deserve a LIVE mother ?
May sound grim but this sort of thing gets people killed.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 05:39:01 PM: fightingquaker, ur right its my fault i don't spend more time teaching her defensive techniques. as for the saferoom i was looking at putting an object that can be slim enough to hide behind the door but can block the door when put in use. i think she's ready to learn more about defense and i'm ready to teach her as much as i know and continue to learn from the best defense. i live in the boondocks and things like that you don't hear about alot round my parts. but i guess it can happen anywhere just look at 9-11. things really don't click till the balls in my court. i was using the excuse " i'll wait till it get warm to take her to the range" that may be too little too late.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: fightingquaker13 on March 21, 2009, 09:02:53 PM: Quote from: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
fightingquaker, ur right its my fault i don't spend more time teaching her defensive techniques. as for the saferoom i was looking at putting an object that can be slim enough to hide behind the door but can block the door when put in use. i think she's ready to learn more about defense and i'm ready to teach her as much as i know and continue to learn from the best defense. i live in the boondocks and things like that you don't hear about alot round my parts. but i guess it can happen anywhere just look at 9-11. things really don't click till the balls in my court. i was using the excuse " i'll wait till it get warm to take her to the range" that may be too little too late.

Its not your fault, we all sometimes just need a wakeup call, no worries. You did getme to thinking about that safe room thing. I initially thought of a deadbolt, but I suck with a router. Besides which it would only latch into molding. Then I remembered my grandads solution. He too lived in the stcks and at night would put a good old fashioned bar across the front door. What he did was to get a set of good old fashioned heavy metal brackets and sink them into the studs with long screws, like 3" long. He had punched out a couple of extra holes so each had six srews. He then just used a length of heavy metal pipe across the door. Simple, easy, cheap and strong enough to slow someone down long enough to get a couple of rounds off. I haven't seen any brackets as deep as the ones he used so I might put a second set facing downwards off set from the next stud and the then just slide a piece of rebar in horizontally in lieu of the pipe. The whole set up should be less than $75 dollars and take less than an hour. Thanks for the idea.
fightingquaker13
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: groundhogsniper23 on March 21, 2009, 09:15:53 PM: yea that will work fightingquaker, but i was thinking or a metal chair laying on its face. i live in a singlewide trailer made in 1970's so don't reallh have alot of room to work with. in my bedroom as soon as you walk in i'm facing my closet side. its pretty strudy. its 281/2 in from door to the side of closet so either chair or something hard that can be braced or block it. the only problem i can see with this room being my safe room is the window. it is an easy access for either to go in or out of, but i think it will have to work. door is kinda of chinsey so it will last like you said just long enough to get focused and get a few well placed shots off. i'm VERY confident with my shooting skills with my glock. i have shot a smiley face at 50 ft with it at my local indoor range. the owner, who is a reatired leo, was watching me shoot and said man you haven't shot before habe you? lol.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: Sc0rp10n3 on March 28, 2009, 12:07:39 AM: I agree with the doubt about the "insurance salesman". I had a break in service after my second tour in VN and sold insurance for a while. One of the first things my agancy manager told me when I started was to get a new car. As he put it, "You can never be a successful salesman if you don't look successful!" So from the description your wife gave of this guy, I seriously doubt if he was selling insurance. I would be more likely to think he had some other, most likely illegal, reason for being there. The advice to NEVER open the door to a stranger should be carved into everyone's forehead. I won't do it and I'm a pretty big guy (6'3" - 265) and I'm ALWAYS armed. If they have anything to say to me, they can say it through the door.

I made up a sign that I wanted to put on the front door, but my wife won't let me. ??? It reads:

WARNING
TRESPASSERS will be shot on sight!
SURVIVORS will be finished off slowly and painfully!
SOLICITORS will be gut-shot and left to bleed to death!

I thought that would get my idea across plainly enough, but she didn't agree, so it hangs above my desk. ;D
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: Ping on March 28, 2009, 11:26:50 AM: Finally got my wife into the habit of having a firearm when answering the unexpected knock or doorbell ring. We both got a rude awakening in the newspapers a couple of years ago when a couple of guys tried to rob a old man down the road. He fortunately was armed and killed one BG and wounded the other.

We use the FAST Holsters also. You can find them on Cheaper than Dirt.com. We picked up a couple at the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show and have found them to be very valuable.

The scenarios on the Best Defense have been educational for my wife and opened her eyes to the concepts. Just like practicing for Severe Weather, we practice for home defense also.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: callithump on March 29, 2009, 11:52:04 PM: Every married couple cuts their teeth on stuff like this. It's the road to awareness and preparedness and she'll learn from it. Glad you're ready with the good advice.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: Rob10ring on March 30, 2009, 03:37:13 AM: Quote from: Frisco on March 21, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
Teach her this phrase....."My husband is just getting out of the shower....and he will NOT be interested in whatever you are selling."
…this or whatever is said should be said through the locked door, and no matter what color a stranger is.

My wife is similar, in that while this is my hobby, it's not hers. That's fine, but she has gained an interest in knowing how to take care of worst case scenarios - just in case. She also wants to go to the range more. I asked her if she could handle seeing our daughters murdered, or how she'd feel about her being murdered and the kids left to have even worse done to them. It is absolutely brutal, but even in "safe" communities, terrible things happen.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: groundhogsniper23 on April 05, 2009, 08:57:32 PM: yea i remember the episode on best defense where there was a guy at the window and the guy asked to use the phone and there was another guy hidden at the door and when she thought she was safe they broke in and tried to do bad stuff to her. there hasn't been any activity anymore like that since that day so i don't know what his motives were but i better not catch him here of he might meet mr. glock and mrs. hydroshock. ;D
i WILL defende my family and community be all means necessary.

thanks fellas for all your time and advice i'm always open for suggestions.
Title: Re: question about what to do
Post by: weads on April 07, 2009, 08:46:29 PM: Quote from: Pathfinder on March 21, 2009, 04:27:55 PM
VCRs are still available at Wally World and elsewhere for around $50 - assuming you get TOC, which you watch so I assume you do. Tape the episodes, repeats start next month.

Get stickers for the doors advertising ADT or some other security service.

Motion detector front and rear door lights.

Interior lights on variable timers. Just saw an add for a small light that mimics a TV set when you're away - flashes different intensities of blue like a TV screen.

One more thing - training! Hopefully your wife learned her lesson. As the Godfather said - women and children can afford to be careless, men can't. Only today, women can't either.

I personally would not post signs for a national alarm service such as ADT or CPI. Your smarter than average BG knows the type of hardware and installation techniques the large companies use. I always put up a generic "protected by security system" or use the monitoring company signs on installs I do.

Just my .02!