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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: L.E. Keeney on March 25, 2009, 02:43:05 PM
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Ok folks, lets go down memory lane and see if you can help me.
My next door neighbor came home from a yard sale with a charter arms revolver chambered for 9mm federal. I seem to remember they made that round for a while in the 1980s but I imagine its no longer made.
Is anyone aware of whether or not one can use moon clips and shoot 9mm para ammo in this gun? I hate to tell him he's bought a pistol you cant get ammo for.
And if so, where might one find the moon clips for it?
Thanks in advance
Lawrence
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On another forum someone said you can use 9mm Parabellum ammo without moon clips, but you have to poke the empty cases out one at a time with a cleaning rod. :(
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Charter Arms made a revolver for a proprietary round called "9mm Federal". It was a rimmed 9mm that was supposed to take the world by storm (It barely generated a drizzle). The 9mm Federal would chamber and fire in older .38 Smith & Wesson revolvers...though accuracy wasn't great and the danger of making your gun go "BOOM" in a bad way was a real possibility.
As far as I know, Charter never made a revolver for 9mm Parabellum.
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I posted the news that Charter arms is making a piece called the CARR, it uses 9mm,40S&W, and45acp with out moon clips or a rod to punch them out. The new pieces uses its own extractor to kick out the spent shells.
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Your buddy may be out of luck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9mm
Revolver cartridges
Name Bullet Case length Rim Base Shoulder Neck OAL
9mm Federal 9.02(.355) 19.15(.754) 11.02(.434) 9.93(.391) N/A 9.65(.380) 29.69(1.169)
9mm Japanese 9.04 (.356) 21.89 (.862) 11.05 (.435) 9.83 (.387) N/A 9.47 (.373) -
.38 Short Colt 9.07 (.357) 19.43 (.765) 11.02 (.434) 9.63 (.379) N/A 9.63 (.379) -
.38 Long Colt 9.07 (.357) 26.29 (1.035) 11.02 (.434) 9.63 (.379) N/A 9.63 (.379) -
.38 S&W Special 9.07 (.357) 29.34 (1.155) 11.02 (.434) 9.63 (.379) N/A 9.63 (.379) 39.37 (1.550)
.357 S&W Magnum 9.07 (.357) 32.77 (1.290) 11.02 (.434) 9.63 (.379) N/A 9.63 (.379) 40.39 (1.590)
.357 Rem Max [1] 9.093 (.358) 40.77 (1.605) 11.02 (.434) 9.63 (.379) N/A 9.63 (.379) 50.55 (1.990)
.38 S&W 9.15 (.360) 19.68 (.775) 11.02 (.434) 9.817(.3865) 9.792 (.3855) 9.169 (.361) 29.97 (1.180)
.38/200 (.380 Revolver)[2] 9.15 (.360) 17.78 (.700) 11.02 (.434) 9.65 (.380) - 9.58 (.377) 27.94 (1.100)
.41 Long Colt[3] 9.80 (.386) 28.7 (1.13) 10.92 (.430) 10.29 (.405) - 10.26 (.404) 35.31 (1.39)
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I am under the impression (I cannot verify) that you can use .38 S&W (not .38 spl) cases and trim them from .775 to .754 and use 9x19mm Luger reloading dies (with a .38 S&W shellholder) to reload your own. Reloading data for the .38 S&W should be appropriate. 9mm Luger reloading data will be too high pressure for the Charter Pit Bull. FWIW.
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Me, I'd sell it on gunbroker and Guns America, advertising it (truthfully) as a rare pstol, for about $150-$250. I would then put that money to buying a used smith or taurus or whatever in .38, that will do the same job for less hassel. just my .02
fighting quaker13
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=124892628
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=124892628
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125344998 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125344998) Buy-it-now for $650. :o
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Jeez, and I thought $425 was high for a gun you cant get ammo for ! $650 ? The guy must owe taxes, I should have looked to see if the sellers name was Geithner. ;D
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Here is a link for 2 boxes, $200 for 100 rounds :'(
http://www.ammo-one.com/9mmFedRim.html
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He needs to take that bad boy back and demand a refund.
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He needs to take that bad boy back and demand a refund.
Just out of curiousity do you know how much he paid? He'll get nowhere returning it because the caliber is clearly written on the barrel. Its not the sellers fault that he didn't know ammo was hard to get. This is a valuable lesson to all of us to avoid "gun show fever". $200 for one hundred rounds? Yikes! (At least the seller won't have to worry about getting shot by an angry customer ;D).
fightingquaker13
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Just out of curiousity do you know how much he paid? He'll get nowhere returning it because the caliber is clearly written on the barrel. Its not the sellers fault that he didn't know ammo was hard to get. This is a valuable lesson to all of us to avoid "gun show fever". $200 for one hundred rounds? Yikes! (At least the seller won't have to worry about getting shot by an angry customer ;D).
fightingquaker13
I think he paid less than $200 for it..Buddy is always looking for snubby style revolvers to stash away for friends in case it all hits the fan, so to speak. Buddy honestly thought it was one of those revolvers you could get moon clips for, which wouldnt be a bad idea since all his major home defense sidearms are 9mm anyway.
Oh well....live and learn I suppose. If I had been with him I would have talked him out of the deal.
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I think he paid less than $200 for it..Buddy is always looking for snubby style revolvers to stash away for friends in case it all hits the fan, so to speak. Buddy honestly thought it was one of those revolvers you could get moon clips for, which wouldnt be a bad idea since all his major home defense sidearms are 9mm anyway.
Oh well....live and learn I suppose. If I had been with him I would have talked him out of the deal.
Who knows what the future holds. Look at all the Cowboy loads you could not find 20 or 30 years ago.
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I would try loading it with 9x19mm ammo to see if it headspaces on the mouth of the case. If it does it would probably be okay to shoot it.
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Why not have a gunsmith open the chambers up to 9mm? (standard, you know what I mean. ;))
Wheelgun