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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on April 02, 2009, 12:24:17 PM
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http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=3789
A bill that would get rid of background checks for concealed-carry permit holders who are interested in purchasing a firearm has fired up both sides of the gun-rights issue.
Proponents of House Bill 1180 say the background checks are redundant because the gun owners were checked when they originally got their concealed-carry permits — which last five years — while opponents claim the bill would end up with more weapons in the wrong hands.
Rep. Steve King, R-Grand Junction, one of the bill’s sponsors, said the legislature should focus on getting rid of the hurdles that stand in the way of the “law-abiding residents of Colorado.”
“These are all honest, hardworking citizens,” he said. “That is their right to own guns.”
However, opponents of the bill said the lack of a reliable central database of concealed-carry permit holders, and the permits lasting for five years, makes it impossible for firearms dealers to tell if the buyers are, in fact, “honest, hardworking citizens.”
While some people who have a gun permit and commit a felony within the five years will have their permit revoked by the sheriff or police, Eileen McCarron, president of Colorado Ceasefire Capitol Fund, said there is no guarantee that everyone who has a permit is “clean for life.”
“The whole point of background checks is to keep prohibited buyers from getting guns,” she said. “Domestic violence, people with restraining orders, people who are mentally ill … we don’t want these people buying guns, and now we are going to give a bypass to checking people who were at one date fine.”
McCarron added that if HB 1180 passes, it would be possible for felons to get a counterfeit certificate and have “free reign” to buy whatever they want at a gun show.
Dudley Brown, executive director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, shot down McCarron’s argument, saying there is no proof that anyone has ever used a forged certificate to buy a gun.
“I don’t see one shred of evidence that they have been forged,” he said. “I would love for someone to show me one case of this happening.”
McCarron fired back, saying there hasn’t been a need for forged certificates because they would be useless under the current background checks. However, if HB 1180 passed and firearms dealers weren’t required to conduct the background checks, “there would be a great big incentive for counterfeit permits,” she said.
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Good news. Hope it passes. That is the way it is here in FL. You still fillot the 4473 and they still do a call in but you can take the gun with you if there are no problems.
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Thats the way things run in SC too. When I bought my Kel-Tec, all I had to do was fill out the store papers (sign off on the serial number I received and acknowledge all defects had to be handled through manufacturer) and they took a photocopy of my DL and CCW....... Then I swiped my credit card and headed out the door.
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Thats the way things run in SC too. When I bought my Kel-Tec, all I had to do was fill out the store papers (sign off on the serial number I received and acknowledge all defects had to be handled through manufacturer) and they took a photocopy of my DL and CCW....... Then I swiped my credit card and headed out the door.
Why would you steal your own credit card ???
;D
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Believe it or not, I can go buy a firearm any day of the week, takes about twenty minutes.....no limits either...
We just can't sell or give away more than four a year as private transfers...
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Here in Iowa folks who do not have a CCW are required to secure a "Permit To Purchase" for handguns. THis permit is good for a year from the date of issue, and can be used to purchase however many handguns the premit holder chooses. For those of us who have CCW's, those are considered our permits to purchase, and a seperate permit is not required.
One other thing..........you better not try to swipe MY credit card, bud!!
:D
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Here's the page for the bill:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/CLICS2009A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/0CCEBB17C7B80D548725753800635131?Open&file=1180_01.pdf
You can then click the links at the top for history and ammendments, etc.
Last action as I write this was:
03/19/2009 Senate Second Reading Laid Over Daily
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Thats the way things run in SC too. When I bought my Kel-Tec, all I had to do was fill out the store papers (sign off on the serial number I received and acknowledge all defects had to be handled through manufacturer) and they took a photocopy of my DL and CCW....... Then I swiped my credit card and headed out the door.
Yep, same here in good old Georgia too. :D
One other thing..........you better not try to swipe MY credit card, bud!!
:D
You can have mine...as long as you pay the monthly bill......... :'(
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You can have mine...as long as you pay the monthly bill
I'm already making some deadbeat asshole's house payment for him, I might as well pay the credit card bill for one of the GOOD guys!!
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I'm already making some deadbeat asshole's house payment for him, I might as well pay the credit card bill for one of the GOOD guys!!
Damn, if I had known it was that easy, I'd have advertised long ago............ ;D ;D ;D
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One of things I do expect to see some time in the next 4 years is a law passing to make this type of thing going away, same with FTF that do not go thru a dealer. That is assuming they don't try to shoot for the moon and fail. ( you know tact that onto something like another AWB)
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http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=3789
That's the way Texas has always been.
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What a waste of a law. If you have a pistol permit in Connecticut, you can buy without the hassle. If not, then you get a permit to purchase after a background check.
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What a waste of a law. If you have a pistol permit in Connecticut, you can buy without the hassle. If not, then you get a permit to purchase after a background check.
But I don't need a pistol permit. I can buy without 'approval' from my local yokals. The state issues my CCW but if I don't want a CCW I buy without getting anything from state or local OTHER than a three day wait and in FL once I have purchased a firearm the three day wait can be waived from then on (I said CAN be, not is).
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its actually not a useles bill. Most CCW are good for years, things change, in 3 years you could very easily go from john Q goodguy. to john Q drugusingfelon.
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its actually not a useles bill. Most CCW are good for years, things change, in 3 years you could very easily go from john Q goodguy. to john Q drugusingfelon.
If ALL law abiding citizens were allowed to enjoy their UNINFRINGED 2nd A rights it would not matter because felons would be fewer and more likely shot by prospective victims.
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let me ask you something and I want you to be honest.
have you ever commited a felony? Remember there are all kinds of felonys that most people don't know about. Tress passing on rail road property is a felony, so is remove the cat from a car/ truck that came with one.
i don't know anyone that has not at some point in thier life.
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let me ask you something and I want you to be honest.
have you ever commited a felony? Remember there are all kinds of felonys that most people don't know about. Tress passing on rail road property is a felony, so is remove the cat from a car/ truck that came with one.
i don't know anyone that has not at some point in thier life.
??? English please.
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??? English please.
It's not very often I understand what the heck TAB is talking about, but I beleive he means the Catalytic Converter.
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Ok haz is clearly not a car guy.
I was speaking of the catalytc converter. I had no idea it was federal felony until my younger brother was convicted of it. he is trying to have it reduced so that he can own firearms once more.
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Yeah, I'm a car guy and know of the catalytic converter but it seemed a non-segue to me.
Sure LOTS of things are felonies and yer right we have PROBABLY done one. BUT do we have one on our record? (answer NO!) Was it intended to harm someone (either monetarily or bodily? ), again (answer NO). So your premise is flawed.
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Yeah, I'm a car guy and know of the catalytic converter but it seemed a non-segue to me.
Sure LOTS of things are felonies and yer right we have PROBABLY done one. BUT do we have one on our record? (answer NO!) Was it intended to harm someone (either monetarily or bodily? ), again (answer NO). So your premise is flawed TAB is bent
Fixed it for you. ;D
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Yeah, I'm a car guy and know of the catalytic converter but it seemed a non-segue to me.
Sure LOTS of things are felonies and yer right we have PROBABLY done one. BUT do we have one on our record? (answer NO!) Was it intended to harm someone (either monetarily or bodily? ), again (answer NO). So your premise is flawed TAB is bent
Fixed it for you. ;D
You guys kill me........pickin' on poor ol' TAB like that...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My point was every one is guilty of something, don't think for a second that having a clean record makes you a good guy.
I know I've commited all kinds of felonys in my life time, I've never damaged anyone elses stuff, nor have I hurt anyone( there are a few I would love too)
The current system, the only real diffrence between a felon and a non felon is the felon got cuaght.
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let me ask you something and I want you to be honest.
have you ever commited a felony? Remember there are all kinds of felonys that most people don't know about. Tress passing on rail road property is a felony, so is remove the cat from a car/ truck that came with one.
i don't know anyone that has not at some point in their life.
So is there something you want to confess to so that your P.D. can clear the case on? :o
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When I was a kid, we use to have bottle rocket wars. in CA = felony
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When I was a kid, we use to have bottle rocket wars. in CA = felony
So I guess the tennis ball cannons might qualify too?
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My guess would be yes... I used lots of starting fluid as a kid, very little to start stuff.