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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Rob Pincus on April 06, 2009, 05:57:21 PM
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Camaro 2SS versus Challenger SRT8
http://www.chevrolet.com/allnewcamaro/# (http://www.chevrolet.com/allnewcamaro/#)
http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/challenger/ (http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/challenger/)
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I'll take the Mustang, in any decade....they might actually have a factory warranty too!
Sorry Rob, this is not the way to get GM and Chrysler back in the black....
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CHALLENGER - MOPAR or No-car
It was a tough decision between a new challenger or my 07 Ram 2500 that I ended up buying. :( hopefully we still have gas and it is reasonably priced when I can buy a Toy!!
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***** we interrupt this thread with a Ford discussion****
I owned a Mustang GT in the 5.0 liter era.... great car. Unfortunately, the current mustang lineup doesn't really offer an option in the $40k range with 400+ HP.....
The options are a meek 315hp around the cost of the Camaro 2SS or the 500GT special edition at over $45k:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/models/
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I used to like Dodge... a few decades ago. Now I'm a Chevy man.
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I'm a Prius man myself. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm a Prius man myself. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
BAC should be banned from DRTV for that comment. I guess in rural Iowa they aren't econ as they are in the city anyway
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I used to work for GM and my father retired from GM.......
He NEVER drove one.....!
I live in the north, not far from where you went to college Rob. Horsepower, rear wheel drive and snow don't really go together......
Maybe I'm just getting old but building cars for a niche market is what's wrong with the industry....that's why Toyota and Honda are kicking our asses....
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Reasons.... Logic.... Explanations for why one is a better choice than the other outside of opinion would be much appreciated. I know which one I like more.
Anyone looked at them both and know significant reasons why one is superior?
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Tim, I had the (convertible) GT when I lived up there... Winters were interesting!
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BAC gets a pass... Larry David drives a Prius!
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Sorry Rob for getting off topic/missing the topic. I was only looking at the SRT8 and once I decided to update my truck I quit getting serious about the car.
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OK, fine....I'll take the orange one! ;D
What's 38K anyway....(more than twice what I paid for both my cars combined)....
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Reasons.... Logic.... Explanations for why one is a better choice than the other outside of opinion would be much appreciated. I know which one I like more.
Anyone looked at them both and know significant reasons why one is superior?
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Tim, I had the (convertible) GT when I lived up there... Winters were interesting!
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BAC gets a pass... Larry David drives a Prius!
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With a 376 c.i. engine and 10.4:1 compression ratio, the Camaro hits 400hp easily from the get-go....... and with a few mods would be around 500 to 550 without a lot of effort.
What's not to like there....plus it just looks mean as hell from the front.
Gotta vote for the Camaro simply for the reason that my blood is actually Chevrolet orange. ;)
Both cars are cool, but IMO, they just don't stir the soul like....say....a Yenko Camaro from yesteryear.........
Rob, you're right about the Mustangs. They don't make them like they did just 15 to 20 years ago.
The 5.0's were stout little powerhouses (a good friend had an '86). They were great cars, especially when they were in the rear view mirror of my 327 powered Chevy S-10.
;D
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Peg,
So if we forget the mods issue, which engine has a better track record the L99 or the 6.1l hemi ? I'm assuming the latter is less tested. do you know?
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Ping,
That's not a great vote of confidence for Challenger! Any direct info on problems ? (I'm aware of the Cylinder 7 problem with the manuals... but understand that it has been addressed).
As for the jeep, I've got that end covered..... It might be time for a sports car!
-RJP
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Peg,
So if we forget the mods issue, which engine has a better track record the L99 or the 6.1l hemi ? I'm assuming the latter is less tested. do you know?
Don't know much about the 'new' Hemi engines as I've never been much of a MOPAR fan.
From everything I've ever read over Chevy's track record for engines, by the time they are put into production vehicles, they have been thoroughly tested. I don't know if they followed their old standard practice of flogging the heck out of the engine platform for a few years in the Corvette before putting it in another vehicle (like they did with the LT1, LS1, etc.). Just like the LS1 in my '03 pickup, it was in the 'Vette several years before they put them into other cars and trucks.
Like I said, I don't know if they did that this time or if it is all new just for the Camaro.
Should be interesting with a 6-speed auto transmission too.....400 hp and 25 mpg.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/0811gmhtp_2010_chevy_camaro_ls3_l99_engine_revealed/index.html
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/0902gmhtp_2010_chevy_camaro_engine_options/index.html
Answered my own question:
Camaro SS buyers who wish not shift their own tranny will get the only truly new engine in the Camaro lineup: the L99. This mill's similarities with the other Camaro V-8 are extensive: for example, its block, cylinder heads, crankshaft, and connecting rods-along with the intake manifold and throttle body-are all shared with the LS3. That said, there are some exciting additions that make the L99 best thought of as a "higher-tech" LS3; namely, Active Fuel Management and Variable Valve Timing.
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Sorry Rob, never been a sportscar kind of guy since I have been in the USA. Owned 2 Fiats, a Mercedes Benz and a BMW 320 while I live in Italy. I prefer the BMW. Fast and was only put aside by a Ferrari. Owned by Fiat by the way.
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Rob
I'm a truck guy and will probably drive F150s until I die,but the Ram is solid. When I was a young hooligan though, my best friend had a camaro, early 80's can't remember the vintage but what that car had and what the new ones seem to have is more torque than the charger. It kept the rear end under control even during teenage stupidity. I will date myself and let you take the 5th as to whether you're old enough to recognize the lyrics.. ("Bitchin' camaro, bitchin' camaro, doughnuts on my lawn! ;D ;D).Don't mess with a classic dude; for a white trash (of which I am a proud member) muscle car its charger,camaro or mustang. Me, I vote camaro.
fightingquaker13
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With a 376 c.i. engine and 10.4:1 compression ratio, the Camaro hits 400hp easily from the get-go....... and with a few mods would be around 500 to 550 without a lot of effort.
What's not to like there....plus it just looks mean as hell from the front.
Gotta vote for the Camaro simply for the reason that my blood is actually Chevrolet orange. ;)
Both cars are cool, but IMO, they just don't stir the soul like....say....a Yenko Camaro from yesteryear.........
Rob, you're right about the Mustangs. They don't make them like they did just 15 to 20 years ago.
The 5.0's were stout little powerhouses (a good friend had an '86). They were great cars, especially when they were in the rear view mirror of my 327 powered Chevy S-10.
;D
Personally, the Mustang 5.0 was a pale imitation of the GT500KR. Ford, Mustang, Shelby - winning combination.
Of course, a GT500KR right now is only marginally more affordable than a Shelby Daytona Coupe or a GT40.
Trust a Sig guy to take a thread on Chevys and Dodges and make it about Fords!
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Challenger! Way more character, and at least a little time in production... You wont be plagued with new model bugs causing breakdowns all the time :(. The camaro isnt bad looking in convertable form, hard top body lines are way to busy and conflicting.
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Rob
I'm a truck guy and will probably drive F150s until I die,but the Ram is solid. When I was a young hooligan though, my best friend had a camaro, early 80's can't remember the vintage but what that car had and what the new ones seem to have is more torque than the charger. It kept the rear end under control even during teenage stupidity. I will date myself and let you take the 5th as to whether you're old enough to recognize the lyrics.. ("Bitchin' camaro, bitchin' camaro, doughnuts on my lawn! ;D ;D).Don't mess with a classic dude; for a white trash (of which I am a proud member) muscle car its charger,camaro or mustang. Me, I vote camaro.
fightingquaker13
Dead Milkmen!!!!!
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Thanks for the back up Badgersmilk! ;)
Make your own choice Rob. You are a man and choose a vehicle that represents you and your character!!!
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Damn if you are not a Challenger Person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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We are assuming of course, that these two automobile manufacturers will still be in business by the end of the year. Possible? Yes, probable? Not without major concessions and more of my money!
By a Vespa, the chicks love 'em..... ;D
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Nice, Vespas were the future of the Hell's Angels in Italy, just kidding.
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Make your own choice Rob.
I wasn't putting it up to a vote! ;D
Just looking to see if I've been missing anything. The "new model" issue is a factor.....
I agree about the convertible, but it won't be available any time soon.
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I'll take the Mustang, in any decade....they might actually have a factory warranty too!
Sorry Rob, this is not the way to get GM and Chrysler back in the black....
Ford stock is at $1.81 I woudn't be too sure! Back to the orignal question. Camaro no question!
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I would suggest the Camaro. They were hot in the 80's and will be hot again.
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http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,3164.0.html
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,3145.0.html
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I used to work for GM and my father retired from GM.......
He NEVER drove one.....!
I live in the north, not far from where you went to college Rob. Horsepower, rear wheel drive and snow don't really go together......
Maybe I'm just getting old but building cars for a niche market is what's wrong with the industry....that's why Toyota and Honda are kicking our asses....
Toyata and Honda are kicking the U.S cars asses because there labor costs are so much lower. They don't pay the insane rate that the U.S. auto makers are paying.
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Well Played, Eric! It's us, not the topics! :-[
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Ford stock is at $1.81 I woudn't be too sure!
That's why I said "might".....pretty bleak ain't it........sorry for all the sarcasm fellas but I grew up in the rust belt and it's really sad to see my beloved state of Michigan in such dire times with little or no future. The arrogance of the big three over the last thirty years is appalling.
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Cause they are screwing over auto workers!!!! The Japanese are not nice to workers. But if they know they are union they think twice!!!
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I would suggest the Camaro. They were hot junk in the 80's and will be hot average again.
Fixed because of personal experience.... ;)
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Watch this. End of discussion.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/camaro-song-i-found-on_102132.htm
I sense a new hairstyle in Robs future! ;D
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Since we're on cars and such....and at the rate this country is going, we'll soon be the one's at the end of this video.......
This is also my shameless plug for my personal affection for the 'classic' American V-8 over the higher tech stuff. I like it clean, simple and powerful......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tveC9fnK_sE
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grrr.. i can't see most of the links (especially video's) freakin firewalls
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You mean the new CEO of GM (BHO) is going to let them build a gas guzzler? I'll believe it when I see it :)
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As a Hemi Charger owner ('06), but I'd have to say Camaro SS. More HP and Torque, better suspension, lighter, better millage, faster, Limited slip, $9000 cheaper. AW/Autoweek did a review of the SS this week.
I'd take the Camaro over the Mustang GT500 also. However, I've always been a Function over Form guy; I own what's considered one of the ugliest motorcycles ever, the Buell S1W White Lightning.
I've been looking at these british car shows on HDNET that talk about classic sport cars. My Charger outperforms every one of them. Hard to believe a full sized sedan outperforms Ferraris, AMG M-Bs and BMW M cars. We're in a golden age of cars right now. Todays cars has tons of HP, great handling, crash protection, and even millage. Even the Honda Accord comes available with a 270hp engine.
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Drive before you buy!!!
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Pontiac's 2010 G8 ute ;D ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNars9kjTw&feature=related
can not go wrong with that,
or look at the G8 sedan I have driven the V8 sedan and the go like clappers also a nice drive around town
shame they don't do the Monaro any more (GTO)
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OOOOOOO! The 66 GTO. My first car. Wish I had keep it :'(. That's hind sight for you.
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From Rueters April 1...
"GM, which has reported losses totaling $82 billion since 2005, plans to focus on four key brands -- Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC -- under the more aggressive restructuring that has been ordered by President Barack Obama's autos task force."
Looks like Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and Corvette will come to an end after the new CEO (Obama/Congress) get done with them...who knows about the Aussie division and the stuff made in Europe...
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Pontiac's 2010 G8 ute ;D ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNars9kjTw&feature=related
can not go wrong with that,
or look at the G8 sedan I have driven the V8 sedan and the go like clappers also a nice drive around town
shame they don't do the Monaro any more (GTO)
The El Camino lives!!
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Once the American car comp. had vision:
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/9.jpg)
This is a FORD Detomaso Pantera,...came about to rival the Lambourghini's in the 70's
Chevy had an equivalent, but it failed, Chrysler had the K car, FAILURE, many others,...
They just don;t get it,.....
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Once the American car comp. had vision:
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/9.jpg)
This is a FORD Detomaso Pantera,...came about to rival the Lambourghini's in the 70's
Chevy had an equivalent, but it failed, Chrysler had the K car, FAILURE, many others,...
They just don;t get it,.....
Years ago Mr. Kennon (at the link below) in my home town had two of those bad boys....and for some reason, would not let me or my friends test drive either of them........go figure...
http://www.auto-quest.com/index.php
He has a nice collection now, too...... 8)
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From Rueters April 1...
"GM, which has reported losses totaling $82 billion since 2005, plans to focus on four key brands -- Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC -- under the more aggressive restructuring that has been ordered by President Barack Obama's autos task force."
Looks like Pontiac, Saturn, Saab and Corvette will come to an end after the new CEO (Obama/Congress) get done with them...who knows about the Aussie division and the stuff made in Europe...
Corvette is a car in the Chevy line. Not a brand.
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Once the American car comp. had vision:
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/9.jpg)
This is a FORD Detomaso Pantera,...came about to rival the Lambourghini's in the 70's
Chevy had an equivalent, but it failed, Chrysler had the K car, FAILURE, many others,...
They just don;t get it,.....
Sorry to correct you twyacht but it was not a American car Co., and quite frankly were junk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Tomaso_Pantera
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Corvette is a car in the Chevy line. Not a brand.
I stand corrected kind Sir. I knew that, but had forgotten that although they are a seperate division, they are still a Chevy. Personally, I've not cared for them since about 1967.
I will add that with about 1700 planned for 2009 at $100,000 a copy would not bring a lot to the table in saving the bacon of GM....let em go, build something that the common man can afford.
Remember the average income in this country is about 50K.....the level at which Congress considers you "wealthy"...
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Sorry to correct you twyacht but it was not a American car Co., and quite frankly were junk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Tomaso_Pantera
You are correct, when they were powered by Ford, the originals had suspension issues related to horsepower. It took Americans that had the ingenuity to beef up many of the chassis parts and suspension, improve the brakes, and even get 427 Cobra engines in there somehow. The ones I have seen up close in Charlotte, NC pushed 475hp and were not junk.
But it was an attempt to push the envelope. It seems today, they have lost the reality of the market.
How many years behind is the New Camaro, it was supposed to premier a year and a half ago,...
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I stand corrected kind Sir. I knew that, but had forgotten that although they are a seperate division, they are still a Chevy. Personally, I've not cared for them since about 1967.
I will add that with about 1700 planned for 2009 at $100,000 a copy would not bring a lot to the table in saving the bacon of GM....let em go, build something that the common man can afford.
Remember the average income in this country is about 50K.....the level at which Congress considers you "wealthy"...
You're referring to the new ZR1 Corvette. The regular Corvette starts under 50K ($49,515). The average new car price is now above $30K.
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Mr. Pincus as someone that works in the auto biz, get the Chevy. The Dodge units suffers poor electrical design and plastic parts where they dont belong. Its like comparing a Glock to a HI point.
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Mr. Pincus as someone that works in the auto biz, get the Chevy. The Dodge units suffers poor electrical design and plastic parts where they dont belong. Its like comparing a Glock to a HI point.
Maybe. The only useful thing I can contribute, beyond my happiness with the stability of the cammaro's rear end while doing stuff an upstanding citizen like pincus would never consider ;) is this. About three or four years ago I was helping my stepdad research a new car and we looked at the consumer reports ratings of the 'vette. It had one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings, yet also one of the worst repair records. Our theory was that a lot of guys who dreamed about a corvette since they were 15 and couldn't afford one till they were fifty, didn't give a damn if it was in the shop once a month, they were just happy to have one. As I say, its been a few years but I would look at the repair ratings before I dropped 50 large. Its kind of like a Harley, you're buying more than the bike I know, but the Yamaha that looks a lot like it sure runs good for 2/3 the price.
FQ13
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Love to have something fast (besides my fast failing memory) but I know my insurance agent would love me and I would be spending more time in local traffic court than with my wife!
Richard
PS: I'd even settle for a vette!
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FQ,
I think your analysis of the behavioral side of satisfaction is spot on. Humans are great at rationalizing and celebrating the positive while ignoring the negative or down playing it (Happens a lot on the training ranges.... ::) ). In your example, my 'Vettes are Ducati motorcycles. For the money, they are slow, heavy and still expensive to maintain when compared to Japanese Bikes.. I overplay the handling, the 2 cylinder power band, the sound and the style points to make the choice seem more logical.... but the fact is that I just like Ducks! (1996 900SS/SP, had an '01 748 for a few years also at one point).
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So, as much as I value logic & rational thoughts, empirical evidence suggests that I will make decisions like this based on more subjective factors. (....he says after driving an SRT8 yesterday....)
-RJP
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Car? We don't need no steekin' car!
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/badges.png)
Go get a good pick up! ;D
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Rob, I'm sorry, was it the mullet thing that scared you from the Camaro?
You need to accept and embrace your "inner mullet".
Come on, man, where's the love? :'(
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Car? We don't need no steekin' car!
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/badges.png)
Go get a good pick up! ;D
Now that's and idea I can wrap my mind around.
;)
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I have been waiting for the Camaro for a long time. I can't wait until they get here.
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Mr. Pincus, here's something to consider on the muscle car front. I don't know if you're more motivated by style or HP, but if its the latter, its something to think about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtzgwNDZAs4&NR=1
FQ13
Sorry Rob,that was supposed to be a link to an auction for cop cars (crown vickys) not a really nice Townes Van Zandt tune. But hey it's a good song. ;D I don't have the link any more but the idea is sound if all you're looking for is HP, with upgraded suspension etc. It wouldn't be my first choice, but if you're looking for something that was designed from the factory to do 150 mph, its not a bad way to go. Google them and I'm sure you'll find info.
FQ13
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Car? We don't need no steekin' car!
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/badges.png)
Go get a good pick up! ;D
Yes! Cool! This one!
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,6150.0/topicseen.html
(http://www.smiliez.nl/smiliez/vrolijk/vrolijk_10.gif)
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OR and oldie but a goodie....
http://www.z06-corvette.com/super/sledgehammer.htm
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The Challenger is a great ride!!! But, I think the Camaro has a few more whilstles on it.
I sell parts at a chevy dealer and hear a little here and there (when I pay attention!)
I'm not sure about the new generation computer set up on the Camaro, might be ok once the bugs are worked out. It won't even fit the scan tool here at work, the plug in is totally different.
However, I DO Like the "can't lock your car when the door is open" feature. THAT could come in handy for all the old farts out there in their second childhood who can't remember where their keys are!!
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Hemi Orange ?
B5 Blue ?
Black ?
**** Opine at Will ****
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Hemi Orange ?
B5 Blue ?
Black ?
**** Opine at Will ****
Black....looks the best, just have to wash the thing every other day 8)
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Black....looks the best, just have to wash the thing every other day 8)
And get the extra super duty A/C. ;)
If I was to get one it would probably be old school Hemi Orange.
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Hemi Orange ?
B5 Blue ?
Black ?
**** Opine at Will ****
Gotta go with Orange........just because.....and it don't show dirt and swirls like the black and blue.
And I'll leave Will alone....... ;)
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Hemi Orange ?
B5 Blue ?
Black ?
**** Opine at Will ****
Hmmmmm,,, thats a hard one......I pick Blue!!!
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RED! ( ;D )
Lady ya gots ta get over yer blue fix. ;)
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I'm telling ya Rob,
Chicks go for the Vespa.....shave off the goatee, grow a little soul patch, stop shaving your head, buy a beret and go for it..... ;D
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Hemi Orange ?
B5 Blue ?
Black ?
**** Opine at Will ****
Rob
A piece of advice. Always ignore the trendy in favor of the classics. Orange will make you look an escapee from "That Seventies Show". This years blue will not be the blue in style 5 years from now, but black will always be black. Never the trendiest, but always in style. If you're like me and tend to buy and drive a car or bike until it dies, and then start again, this is not an unimportant consideration as you'll be living with beast for the next ten years.Its the same reason my guns are 9mm, .357, .270 and 12 and 20 gauge. They'll never go out of style and I'll always find ammo. Just my .02.
fightingquaker13
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RED! ( ;D )
Lady ya gots ta get over yer blue fix. ;)
But......but.......Haz,,, they don't offer it in pink! :)
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But......but.......Haz,,, they don't offer it in pink! :)
Don't worry Red...it's a Dodge....soon after purchase, the paint will begin to peel off and it can be repainted in any color your little heart desires... ;D
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But......but.......Haz,,, they don't offer it in pink! :)
I bet if you go in and pout real pretty like, they will fix that for ya!
(heck, right now they'll do anything to make a sale!)
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But......but.......Haz,,, they don't offer it in pink! :)
DuraCoat? ;D
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Red, black or white never go out of style especially for a sporty car...
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FYI, the Charger SRT8 outperforms the Challenger SRT8. Weird, but true.
So, get an extra two doors and better performance.
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2011 cobra mustang , or even the 2011 mustang gt ,the only difference between the cobra & ford gt is a chip the motor says gt right on it . :-X
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Will someone please close this thread!
We are a GUN FORUM people!
Exit Question: Which is unequivocally the greatest gun of all time? 1911 or Glock? Show your work please.
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Will someone please close this thread!
We are a GUN FORUM people!
Exit Question: Which is unequivocally the greatest gun of all time? 1911 or Glock? Show your work please.
Hey, The Pincus started it!....... ::)
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I would rather push a Chevy or take a bus than own DODGE anything. SRT8 is cool but I work in a field where all I see is defective mopars left and right. I had a customer with a Jeep Grand Cherokee STR8 limited that needs a valve job after 80,000 miles. Heck I own a 1992 Chevy S10 with a 350 rammed in it and runs like a demon. Roller cam set up Holley TPI kit and 700R4 B&M trans, burn outs all day no problems.
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I would rather push a Chevy or take a bus than own DODGE anything. SRT8 is cool but I work in a field where all I see is defective mopars left and right. I had a customer with a Jeep Grand Cherokee STR8 limited that needs a valve job after 80,000 miles. Heck I own a 1992 Chevy S10 with a 350 rammed in it and runs like a demon. Roller cam set up Holley TPI kit and 700R4 B&M trans, burn outs all day no problems.
Man after my own heart........
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Man after my own heart........
Peg, what gears did you have in your S-10?
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Buddy of mine runs his S10 at the local 1/8 mile drags. He has to watch it cause he doesn't want to have to cage it so he has to stay slower than a 6.5 second run. He has a 350 in it. (w/blower and other goodies)
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Peg, what gears did you have in your S-10?
Had three complete rear-ends. A friend worked at a junk yard and got me three different sets of factory rear-ends.
The stock 2:76 for the highway and daily driving, a 3:73 from an El Camino for 1/4 mile fun, and a 4:10 out of a Blazer for 1/8 mile playing.
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Had three complete rear-ends. A friend worked at a junk yard and got me three different sets of factory rear-ends.
The stock 2:76 for the highway and daily driving, a 3:73 from an El Camino for 1/4 mile fun, and a 4:10 out of a Blazer for 1/8 mile playing.
That's the way to go. I had a 1966 Chevy Caprice SS "a boat I know" with a 327,B&M street and strip tranny,3grnd stall, 4:11 rear-end. Loved to race Mustangs ;D In fact never was beat my a mustang 8)
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Buddy of mine runs his S10 at the local 1/8 mile drags. He has to watch it cause he doesn't want to have to cage it so he has to stay slower than a 6.5 second run. He has a 350 in it. (w/blower and other goodies)
That would be a Bad ASS S10 ;D 6.5
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He too, hates 6.5 'stangs (and has NO problem with them ;) ).
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He too, hates 6.5 'stangs (and has NO problem with them ;) ).
Maybe Rob should look into a S10 instead of a Challenger or Camaro ;D
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Haggling has begun on a Challenger....
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Color??
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Actually that is part of the haggling.
Red and Silver are out.
Orange or Black are my preferences, but I know myself well enough to know that I can't/won't keep black looking good. (I've owned 4 black vehicles). Orange is a cool color that I have taken to over the past few years and it is pretty easy to keep looking good without waxing the car every day (note that I do not have a garage). When I first saw it, I couldn't get the General Lee thoughts out of my head, but I've gotten over that. The black ones look more like Max's pursuit special than any other production car I'm aware of, so it has that going for it. Blue is, as noted above, the "trendy" color and a distant 3rd.
They are playing the "we can sell you the cool new blue one without a markup, even though it is a cool and new" game because apparently no one wants the first one they are getting in next week. They have 3 black ones in stock, but none in the configuration I want. There is one Orange one that they can have delivered which is laid out exactly like I want.
-RJP
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GET THE ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(That's an order from an old Drill Sergeant! ;D )
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You can take the orange one hunting. ;D
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Warranty provided by the Treasury Department! ::)
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OD GREEN ;D
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Between Chrysler likely filing for bankruptcy next week, and GM killing off Pontiac,...
I hope they get it right with the "do over"
No more Chevette's or Fiesta's, or K cars.....
Too bad,,, an anniversary Trans Am would have been nice...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Header1.jpg)
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If you order one the window sticker will have your name on it. As in "This vehicle assembled for Rob Pincus". Or something like that. I'd have to check mine, but I remember that.
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8889/dodge22bx.jpg)
2006 R/T with Road and Tack package (performance package) in blue.
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As in "This vehicle assembled for Rob Pincus".
Surely it must have the dual fog light, .45's beneath the grill.... 8)
With a vanity plate
ARMD4LIF
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Orange is retro = cool for later in time, I hope you got the biggest hemi, the 6spd, and all the creature features, these will be the good things when and if you want to sell it later. I think the challenger is what made the others revamp the camaro and the mustang. It really resembles the original Challenger. Have Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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I wish the new cars looked new instead of 40 years old. Can't they come up with anything better?
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I wish the new cars looked new instead of 40 years old. Can't they come up with anything better?
Unfortunately,,,,NO The cars that we wish we could stand a chance of owning are deemed "prototypes" for release in 2012, or some other long term project.
Designers outpace the actual manufacturing process exponentially. It looks good on paper but in proto testing problems A,B,C,D, etc,... rear their ugly head.
Toyota and Honda can use an existing line to make many different models. Here in the US, we have to go through a "process" to change a line. Unions have their rules, overtime, scheduling, tooling, etc,...
By the time "someone" realized trouble, revamping the mustang, challenger, camaro(still waiting), is all they could muster. Ford seems to have planned for the worst better than the others. Legacy costs are eating them all up.
I had a 86 Mustang 5.0, and liked it alright, the first Anniversary Edition Stang was "designed" for the comeback of the 351 Cleveland, well the front suspension could not handle the extra weight, and handling was crap. Pretty much awesome if going only straight. Motor Trend mag has this archived in the late 80's.
The "New" looking cars take to long for delivery and cost more than the price point for sales with volume.
Yeah, they will sell some Shelby's, ZO-6 Twin Callaway Turbo Vettes, 750hp Vipers, for $75,000+ but it won;t keep them afloat.
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I had a 86 Mustang 5.0
... As did I!!! Convertible... H-system Exhaust... Hurst C3..... Loved that car! This will actually be the first "muscle car" I've owned since then......
-RJP
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This Camaro looks okay but it's not my favorite color.
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There's this option I just saw:
Hurst Challenger
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090429/CARREVIEWS/904299994
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$70,000. :o Wow, that's a lot of money.
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$70,000. :o Wow, that's a lot of money.
For 70 large, give me a Corvette! You won't become a guinea pig for a new model.....
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Drove a vette for a couple of days last week... not even close on the practical side. Fun to drive or a few hours... but the fact is that sitting it reminded almost exactly as the 1984 'vette that I was driving 20 years ago. I'm also not a big fan of the "membership" pricing...
As for the Hurst, its wayyy more than I want to spend on a car, and it only comes in manual. How can I run the laptop and check in at DRTV while driving between courses if I'm worried about shifting?
****
Meanwhile, we are still haggling.
-RJP
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It's a automobile young man! Not your living room! ;D
Jeez, you kids these days and your toys......no kids of your own yet Rob? :)
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(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo283/tsbevins/RobsSRT8.jpg)
Look at the future of Chrysler, the new improved 2011 Belvadere Retro-Mod...
43 bhp & 22 lb/ft of torque at the front wheels!
;D
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(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo283/tsbevins/RobsSRT8.jpg)
Look at the future of Chrysler, the new improved 2011 Belvadere Retro-Mod...
43 bhp & 22 lb/ft of torque at the front wheels!
;D
Here's the first run of gubmint cars.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkyX36el8c
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Peg, paint this car gun metal gray and it would be like my Che(Shit)vette back in 1987. ;D
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You have to love the Bowtie. ;D
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How will they ever top the K car? That amazing performance, and styling. FIAT should help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twkIdxgS0lo&feature=related
Cool Car Commercial: 1988 Dodge Aries K Car
8)
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I went through this entire "steenkin' " thread this morning and none of you guys got it. Well, I guess it doesn't matter for the most of you old married guys anyway. Surely I thought...one of you would key in on what is really important. What is it that would turn the ladies' heads? Nope...ya'll just talked about your Hursts and you roller cams and your dual exhausts and.....tsk, tsk, tsk.
That kind of focus sure increased the pool to choose from for guys like me in......."the old days". 8)
Speakin' of the old days...I'm kinda partial to the Challenger myself.
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Your point is not lost on me Rastus.....
I rode a motorcycle in HS and a beat up old Mustang for the winter. Your right, all the gearheads worrying about their cars and the jocks worrying about their thick necks left those lovely cheerleaders and pep squads to those of us with enough charm to have a field day.....
It was a pleasure being me back in the day....
I drove by a black SRT8 yesterday, nice looking but again, not practical, unnecessary and overpriced ain't my cup of tea....I never needed the flash and speed of a car to impress anyone. I have HAIR!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have HAIR!!!
That was ridiculous. ;)
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I went through this entire "steenkin' " thread this morning and none of you guys got it. Well, I guess it doesn't matter for the most of you old married guys anyway. Surely I thought...one of you would key in on what is really important. What is it that would turn the ladies' heads?
So I'm guessing you're driving a Mini Cooper or a Bug with a real flower in the vase? ;D
FQ13
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I was just going through email at work and saw something funny. We won't have a Camaro on the lot until the 15th and there is already a recall on 'em!!! The positive battery cable is routed funky it appears!, looks like an easy fix but DAMN, if you're gonna pay that much, couldn't it be right the first time ???
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I was just going through email at work and saw something funny. We won't have a Camaro on the lot until the 15th and there is already a recall on 'em!!! The positive battery cable is routed funky it appears!, looks like an easy fix but DAMN, if you're gonna pay that much, couldn't it be right the first time ???
Sad but true, engineering; (the looks great on paper people), rush production instructions to overpaid union people that don;t even realize that unprotected battery cables in chafe prone areas WILL CAUSE BIG PROBLEMS!
They need to think outside the box, but it's going to be even tougher now.
How much of Chrysler is owned by the gov't and the unions now? GM/Chevrolet....?
I feel much better now,.......(sarcasm added....)
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To me, the winner will be the first one to realize they need to go back to the good old days of muscle cars and stuff an old-school torque monster with some modern updates in it. At least for me that is. Not that I am against doing the mods myself, got plenty of mechanical skill under my belt. But to pay as much as they are asking for them, they need to have it done already.
Just imagine a bored out 440 reminiscent of the 6 pack or the dual quad but instead of normally aspirated, something in modern injection stuff in the new Challenger. Sadly, it would twist the car into a pretzel knowing how they make stuff today. Or just stuff in one of these (http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/blocks.html) (preferably the largest possible) and be done with it.
They are both great. I'll buy both when I win the lotto. (Won't ever happen cause "You can't win it, if you ain't in it.")
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Sooooooooooooo, we seem to have been left hangin..............after all the "quality advice" we get no updates. ::)
What's up with that? ???
Don't they know who you are? They should be paying you to drive their car. ;D
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Sooooooooooooo, we seem to have been left hangin..............after all the "quality advice" we get no updates. ::)
What's up with that? ???
Don't they know who you are? They should be paying you to drive their car. ;D
Seconded. We want a range report and photos, unless you wrapped it around a tree already. ;D
FQ13
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Short version: I had a deal worked out, then I went off to teach a military course..... by the time I got back in touch with dealership, Chrysler had filed for bankruptcy and banks were changing terms.... even with 40+% down! Over the past 2 weeks I bought the wife a motorcycle (DRZ400SM), made some cosmetic improvements to the Harley and commissioned a custom project on my Ducati (street-fightering it).
I'm on the sidelines for a muscle car until things settle down in Auto-World.
When push came to shove, one of the highlights of moving back east was supposed to be significantly more time on 2 wheels, so that's where the focus is now. I promise to update when I make the move... with pics!
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Hate that things didn't turn out with the car, Rob.
And, be mindful of idiots while on the two-wheelers.
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Hate that things didn't turn out with the car, Rob.
And, be mindful of idiots while on the two-wheelers.
+ a quadrillion......and wear a friggin helmet!
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+ a quadrillion......and wear a friggin helmet!
Damn straight. I wore a full face helmet while riding a moped in DC. I was a courier and was on the the damn thing ten hours a day in the summer. Lots of grease on the streets when it rained, and steel plates in the streets to cover holes when they were working on underground cables. I laid it down 4 times over the course of thee summers work. The job paid well (about $400 a week in the late eighties), but I would be dead if not for the brain bucket.
FQ13
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Damn straight. I wore a full face helmet while riding a moped in DC. I was a courier and was on the the damn thing ten hours a day in the summer. Lots of grease on the streets when it rained, and steel plates in the streets to cover holes when they were working on underground cables. I laid it down 4 times over the course of thee summers work. The job paid well (about $400 a month in the late eighties), but I would be dead if not for the brain bucket.
FQ13
Although we have noticed some long-term 'residual damage', we just overlook it.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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PLEASE!!! If you do get a Challenger, for the love of all things muscle, CHANGE THE REAR WHEELS!! Those things need to have some fat rubber in the back. Seen so many of them driving around with 'donuts' for drive wheels (I am well aware that's how they rolled off the factory back in the late 60's. My age may be low, but I was raised a gear head from birth with older values). If their idea is, this car is so powerful it can break traction... I'm not impressed. A 50cc moped could break the traction of those dinky things.
I know, I know, wheel/tire combination is mainly a personal appearance, function sorta thing but just consider the idea.
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Although we have noticed some long-term 'residual damage', we just overlook it.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Laugh it up pirate boy, BUT:
A, That four hundred bucks a week let me pay pay a month's worth of summer rent when the dorms were closed with one weeks work, which is more than most college kids can say.
B, It was a manly moped, a very manly moped, a Harelyped even, made in Yugoslavia, I mean Michigan, or, Austria or anywhere but Yugoslavia. But hell, I was 19 and broke, and it even got me laid once because a girl found it "cute". Male pride vs teenage hormones. Hormones..pride? Hormones..pride? We all know how that debate ends. ;D
FQ13 who still thinks wearing a brain bucket is a good idea
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Hate that things didn't turn out with the car, Rob.
Trust me, it wasn't a traumatic event... when things turned ugli(er) for Chrysler, it was an easy "I think I'll wait a couple/few months".. then my complete lack of fiscal discipline reminded me that I cold spend money on Bikes!
As for the "be careful" stuff... the last time I high sided I was wearing hiking pants, sunglasses and sneakers..... Thanks to the Flinch Response and a good Tuck & Roll I made it out okay. :). Although, that is one of the reasons that I am getting rid of most of the plastic on the Duck.... cruising around town is more what I am looking for than dragging knees on the back roads. I'll post pics in a new thread when it is done.
-RJP
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So Rob,
You don't feel the Dragon calling from Deals Gap? You're too close not too!
Be careful.......took 34 years but some dimwit finally ended my riding!
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BTDT.... I put 17,000+ (often hard & fast) miles on the duck between '96 and '03, and I was living in TN most of that time.....
I'm going to take some updated pics and start a new bike thread soon.... need to post some shots of the Harley now that it is somewhat shined up and without fringe :).
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I absolutely LOVE the Camaro....my first car was a 67. I got a chance to sit in a new one at a car show here recently. Sadly though, the new Camaro doesn't fit me. I am too tall at 6'4" to sit in it comfortably. I'd give hard eyeball to a convertible, but the coupe is a no-go for me.
The Challenger, which I was able to drive for a weekend a couple of months ago because a friend who recently purchased one borrowed my Tahoe left me his Challenger to drive...was a fantastic ride. It had loads of power, handled well, and was comfortable even for my frame. It really reminded me of the 70's R/T.
My last pickup was a 2002 Dodge 1500. I would still have it had some knucklehead not t-boned me after running a stop light in 2007. It was my 2nd Dodge, and I was totally happy with both trucks. Dodge customer service was great, and dealership support was really good too. I can't imagine it would be otherwise with a Challenger.
I would have purchased another Dodge, had I been looking for a pickup again. I only went with the Tahoe because I wanted a full-size SUV and the Durango wasn't as large as I wanted. Now that I have had the new Tahoe for 2 years, I won't buy anything else.
What I am saying is: I'd buy the Challenger. Looks good, drives great, has a metric shitload of power and eye appeal, and it fits me.
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.....shined up and without fringe :).
First goes the mullet......now the fringe..........might as well buy a minivan. ;D
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The Challenger Warranty now has Government backing. You can't beat that with a crooked stick. ;D
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BTDT.... I put 17,000+ (often hard & fast) miles on the duck between '96 and '03, and I was living in TN most of that time.....
I'm going to take some updated pics and start a new bike thread soon.... need to post some shots of the Harley now that it is somewhat shined up and without fringe :).
Remember the cardinal rule...."If it doesn't make it go faster or stop better, you don't need it!" I'll also add.....MAKE YOU MORE VISIBLE!!....
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Time to open this thread back up and
bust down breech the door doing it.
You guys think you are cool, hey..Mike...Mr. m58 is cool. Here is the 4 wheeled porn he's drooling over these days. He sent me these pics in an email and totally changed how I looked at that day....
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/RastusNR/2009_MillerMeteorReunion285.jpg)
Not only can you use it for cruisin'...but you can haul with it too!
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/RastusNR/2009_MillerMeteorReunion337.jpg)
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/RastusNR/2009_MillerMeteorReunion338.jpg)
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/RastusNR/2009_MillerMeteorReunion339.jpg)
How would you like to hang out at the burger joint on a Saturday night in this beauty? I think I just lost my appetite.....urrgggghhhh.
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Had a hearse when I was a kid. Had a 525 cubic inch engine in it! Why they need that size engine to do 25 mph I never understood.
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Had a hurse when I was a kid. Had a 525 cubic inch engine in it! Why they need that size engine to do 25 mph I never understood.
Yeah...that's what you said. What did you date think about it...what with all that space for hauling and everything....
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She thought the carpeting was soft and ceiling looked nice! ;)
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Saw an article last week that said that Funeral Services is a very stable, growing industry...one of those that actually gets more business during these hard times.
No offense Mike but, you'll never get a dime from me! My body is going to the local Medical school and my ashes will be tossed into Lake Michigan by my best friend. If he's dead before me, my wife is instructed to flush me down the nearest commode!
;D
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She thought the carpeting was soft and ceiling looked nice! ;)
Mirrors?
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Mirrors?
I'm not THAT crass!
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Hey, Hearses used to be COOL !
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She thought the carpeting was soft and ceiling looked nice! ;)
As you drove? ? ? ? ? ;D
Rastus, now that is pimping your - - Cadillac!
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Had some good times riding around in a hearse back in the 80's. I swear there were times smoke rolled out of it like the van in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". ;D
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I'm not THAT crass!
;D
See Marshall'ette...Haz ain't all bad, he's a sensitive, thoughtful kind of guy. ::)
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See Marshall'ette...Haz ain't all bad, he's a sensitive, thoughtful kind of guy. ::)
BS, back then he just couldn't afford that many mirrors.
;D
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BS, back then he just couldn't afford that many mirrors.
;D
And I thought he was being all proper and everything... ;)
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And I thought he was being all proper and everything... ;)
This is Hazcat we're talking about. Get REAL. ;D
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This is Hazcat we're talking about. Get REAL. ;D
True enough. I hope that wasn't Donna from Sunnybrook Farm he was talking about....what a cad.
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Too bad this WILL NEVER HAPPEN! Thanks Gov't Motors:
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/md_trans_am_front_burt2_450.jpg)
Although a hearse with Krager mags and a throaty big block would be OK.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/DSCN6508.jpg)
After all, it is a Cadillac...