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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: ericire12 on April 06, 2009, 08:43:26 PM
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=126482386
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=126474074
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I kinda like my little Kel-Tec .40.........but I wouldn't pay what they want for those.........damn.
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What is the MSRP? That seems particularly high for a Kel-Tec!?!?!
:'( Good lookin' weapon though....
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Last time I checked the website MSRP was around $1800
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I would pay that much for an M1 whitefeather not a ket tec(pos) never.
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=126482386
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=126474074
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Tell him he e's Dreaming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRti7EotiNE&feature=related
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Hey, what are you all complaining about? At least these auctions have no reserve! ;D
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Hey, what are you all complaining about? At least these auctions have no reserve! ;D
Actually, this is a good point. The owner didn't start the bidding at a ridiculous price, it just made it's way there...
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Nice looking rifle.
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For less, I would rather get a DPMS in .308. Recent gun show had several for $1500-2000. NIB
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/ken-hog-small.jpg)
Seems high for the Kel-Tec, but their ALL high nowadays.
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No Kel-Tec rifles, and NO BULLPOPS!!!!
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I agree with you TWYacht. Love my DPMS and would really love to have one in .308. 8)
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For less, I would rather get a DPMS in .308. Recent gun show had several for $1500-2000. NIB
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/ken-hog-small.jpg)
Seems high for the Kel-Tec, but their ALL high nowadays.
Who dat with the big pig??
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Twelve year old Kenneth Bender, of the Camp Pendleton Young Marines, took this hog at Triangle Ranch using a custom DPMS 308 with a surefire suppressor and 500 lumen Leopard Light.
Found out they are backordered to.
http://www.dpmsrifle.com/category/309-DPMS_Panther.aspx
For the other sites, its hit or miss, but most are gone,... :-\
Guns show here had them, but they were steep, (Not as steep as the bull pup, but steep)
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We NEED more young hunters and shooters! (especially a guy / gal that does BOTH!)
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I know I am going to catch nine kinds of hell over this, but I am going to say it anyways. I absolutely agree that we need more young hunters and shooters, but we also need to differentiate between the two. Hear me out. Guns with cans are fun. Guns with lights are fun. Guns with cans and lights have no place in hunting field. Hunting needs to be about hunting---woodsmanship, tracking, stalking, reading sign, patience, etc. It shouldn't be about instant gratification. Yes, I know that hogs are pests. However, what is demanded of a hunter if he/she hunts at night, with a light and silencer for feral hogs? Very little. I don't think one can genuinely appreciate the difficulty nor reward of the hunt. Now, I'm a crazy longbow totin' traditionalist, but I don't think everyone needs to be that way. However, I do believe that people should learn to appreciate the HUNT and not just the KILL. Rant over, prepare the tar and feathers...
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I know I am going to catch nine kinds of hell over this, but I am going to say it anyways. I absolutely agree that we need more young hunters and shooters, but we also need to differentiate between the two. Hear me out. Guns with cans are fun. Guns with lights are fun. Guns with cans and lights have no place in hunting field. Hunting needs to be about hunting---woodsmanship, tracking, stalking, reading sign, patience, etc. It shouldn't be about instant gratification. Yes, I know that hogs are pests. However, what is demanded of a hunter if he/she hunts at night, with a light and silencer for feral hogs? Very little. I don't think one can genuinely appreciate the difficulty nor reward of the hunt. Now, I'm a crazy longbow totin' traditionalist, but I don't think everyone needs to be that way. However, I do believe that people should learn to appreciate the HUNT and not just the KILL. Rant over, prepare the tar and feathers...
I'm not really going to spread this over 27 feet, but I disagree with you about utilizing technology in hunting.
By your reasoning things like sights on bows, or fixed ammo are not needed for "fair" hunting.
Now go scrape off the tar and clean up those feathers. ;D
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Don't make hunting about the tech and gizmo, I'm totally satisfied if I go out and don't kill a thing. Just being out and with the family means so much to me. Tech is fine I hunt compound so of course its all about tech, but all that comes way after the hunt and the getting away from it all.
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To each his own. If we did not have people pursuing traditional types of hunting there would be no knowledge of muzzle loaders or Long bows, for that matter guns would have killed off bow hunting completely. By the same token, suppressors do not effect the performance of the hunter or his fire arm, they are simply safety equipment like ear plugs that prevent you from annoying people around your hunting area, second, lights have been used in night hunting since the days of the flaming torch, through the era of flashlights, mounting the formerly hand held light onto the fire arm is simply freeing up one hand, a convenience like fixed ammo.
This is not about "what is proper", it is about what is proper FOR YOU.
GameDevBryan is right
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Hunting with suppressors and lights at night for hogs would be like shooting fish in a barrel, would it not? What degree of sportsmanship do you have to possess in order to shoot a pig while it is eating corn in the middle of the night when it can neither see you nor hear the crack of a rifle? I'm not saying everyone should use bows or muzzleloaders, but that they should at least make it some sort of a challenge. Good gracious! Are we so consumed with killing that we now seek any means necessary for that end?
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I think it depends on the TYPE of hunt.
Back two years ago when feral hogs totally destroyed my uncle's corn crop and about half of his peanuts, we would have used hand grenades if we had them. We used traps, lights, shotguns, rifles, handguns, bows, whatever we had on hand and who ever we had on hand to try to take out as many as possible. We weren't "hunting" by the traditional sense of the word, we were trying to thin out or control a "pest". All with the blessings of farmers and the DNR Rangers.
It was a lot different than a traditional stalking hunt.
I do agree that young hunters need to learn the traditional sporting methods and employ them when on a 'traditional' type hunt.
Like I said, I think it all depends on the need, as to the application of skills and equipment.
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I have to agree with sanjuancb on this one. The first thing I noticed in that pic was the suppressor. Now when I purchased my suppressor, I was given a form that explicitly said that it was illegal to hunt with it in every state. Has this changed??? Personally I don't care, if you've got it, use it. That being said, I enjoy the challenge of the hunt, which is probably why I go every year, and the only thing I carry is my old Winchester Model 70.
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I'm not sure if this is what Haz was talking about or not, but IMO it is important to learn the traditional way of hunting (as was stated before). It's also important to learn the actual shooter aspect of it as well, mainly learning how to shoot correctly, judge your distance and windage and humidity and all of that, and also to atleast know the new technologies and how to use them.
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I have to agree with sanjuancb on this one. The first thing I noticed in that pic was the suppressor. Now when I purchased my suppressor, I was given a form that explicitly said that it was illegal to hunt with it in every state. Has this changed??? Personally I don't care, if you've got it, use it. That being said, I enjoy the challenge of the hunt, which is probably why I go every year, and the only thing I carry is my old Winchester Model 70.
It has never been " illegal to hunt with it in every state. " I know for a fact that They have been used by hunters hired to thin out deer herds in residential areas for the last 35 years here.
This is a pointless debate and WAY off topic.
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Has anyone heard much about the release of the FNH SCAR 17s?
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Pegleg, you are right. Big difference in land owner rights when it comes to cultivation of crops to the average hunt. Anything goes when it comes to growing your bread and butter and I would annihilate anything that would strip food and money from my family.