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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: charliefarmerboy33 on April 09, 2009, 05:59:33 AM
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The Missouri house has moved forward on a bill that will lower the age to obtain a concealed carry permit to 21. Allow carry on College campus' and allow the use of deadly force on private property (the so called castle doctrine)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MO_XGR_CONCEALED_GUNS_MOOL-?SITE=MOCAP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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What is the age now?
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I thought it was legal to carry on a college campus as long as the Dean and campus security were aware of it????
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Haz: The current legal age for CCW in MO is 23.
JC5123: In MO you can't carry in any type of school that gets state funding, especially if the dean and security are aware of it!
The article references one politician making note of the silly things college students do. Well, most of the students over 21 or 23 are in a masters or doctoral program and have little or no inclination to do such things. The others are usually like myself, vets who went back to school after serving in the military and have grown light years beyond the crazed activities of a 19 year old wasted on 3.2% beer. I am not seeing a downside to having people responsible enough to continue their education beyond 90% of attendees, or veterans, having concealed firearms on a campus.
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23? Odd number. Wonder why it was picked.
In FL no guns on ANY school grounds K-12 and college.
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Haz: The current legal age for CCW in MO is 23.
JC5123: In MO you can't carry in any type of school that gets state funding, especially if the dean and security are aware of it!
The article references one politician making note of the silly things college students do. Well, most of the students over 21 or 23 are in a masters or doctoral program and have little or no inclination to do such things. The others are usually like myself, vets who went back to school after serving in the military and have grown light years beyond the crazed activities of a 19 year old wasted on 3.2% beer. I am not seeing a downside to having people responsible enough to continue their education beyond 90% of attendees, or veterans, having concealed firearms on a campus.
As long as the school can keep them out of the dorms (too much stoned/drunken weirdness, low room security etc) I don't see why not.
FQ13
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23? Odd number. Wonder why it was picked.
In FL no guns on ANY school grounds K-12 and college.
Question on that Haz. The regs seem a bit unclear on whether a private school can allow them or are they still verboten?
FQ13
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(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm:
1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried;
2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or
3. In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(5); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges.
For the purposes of this section, "school" means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC115.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0790->Section%20115#0790.115
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Haz: The current legal age for CCW in MO is 23.
JC5123: In MO you can't carry in any type of school that gets state funding, especially if the dean and security are aware of it!
The article references one politician making note of the silly things college students do. Well, most of the students over 21 or 23 are in a masters or doctoral program and have little or no inclination to do such things. The others are usually like myself, vets who went back to school after serving in the military and have grown light years beyond the crazed activities of a 19 year old wasted on 3.2% beer. I am not seeing a downside to having people responsible enough to continue their education beyond 90% of attendees, or veterans, having concealed firearms on a campus.
I only questioned it because college campus is fair game here, but you have to let campus security know. Their reason for that is so that if somehow someone sees your goods, and alerts security, they can check the list and say, "they're legal".
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JC,
My post is a reply to FQ13 and only applies in Florida.
I wish it was that CCW holders could carry on school grounds but no go here. :(
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JC,
My post is a reply to FQ13 and only applies in Florida.
I wish it was that CCW holders could carry on school grounds but no go here. :(
Sorry if I came across as being argumentative. Not my intention. :( As far as public schools go, you can't carry, but at the community
college and the University here, that is/was the policy. At least as of last year. Of course I am in Wyoming, and we have a pop density of about 5 people per square mile.
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This has been the topic of discussion many times in our little LEO circle. Soft targets such as schools and not being allowed to carry there. There are many threads you can see in this forum with the same general topic but the same goes.. Usually it isn't the law abiding ones you need to worry about. I liked the statement someone made in another thread about getting rid of most all of the gun laws and "gun free" zones
J
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JC, didn't thunk ya wuz agumentative. Jest thought I wuz confusin' with my reply.
In any case 'no harm, no foul'. ;)
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JC,
My post is a reply to FQ13 and only applies in Florida.
I wish it was that CCW holders could carry on school grounds but no go here. :(
Thanks Haz. Thatwas always my point of confusion, as to whether a private school/college could choose to extend the paring lot exemption to the entire campus. This really is doubly aggravating because I while will say the state can set policy for state schools (whether I like it or not) to tell a private school they cannot ease the restriction if they so choose is absurd.
FQ13
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This has been the topic of discussion many times in our little LEO circle. Soft targets such as schools and not being allowed to carry there. .........J
A state senator was escorted around to some urban schools in my state last year. They passed on the Beslan School Massacre details to him, how it was set up and executed. How anyone who had the strength to resist was taken out up front....how the emergency services were subverted prior to the incident...and on and on....
The senator was amazed at how easy it was to get into a "protected" school and learned that soft targets are really not protected.
Sheep see a 70 year old security guard at the entrance of a building or complex and think they are safe....what idiots. If BHO and Pelosi along with her eunichs succeed in erasing our nation the sheep get what they deserve and I, for one, will never, if found in the position, lift a finger to help a sheeple.
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A state senator was escorted around to some urban schools in my state last year. They passed on the Beslan School Massacre details to him, how it was set up and executed. How anyone who had the strength to resist was taken out up front....how the emergency services were subverted prior to the incident...and on and on....
The senator was amazed at how easy it was to get into a "protected" school and learned that soft targets are really not protected.
Sheep see a 70 year old security guard at the entrance of a building or complex and think they are safe....what idiots. If BHO and Pelosi along with her eunichs succeed in erasing our nation the sheep get what they deserve and I, for one, will never, if found in the position, lift a finger to help a sheeple.
That was what we had at T/C, guys who were to feeble or senile ( One had to be let go because he could not remember how to get his truck to go the other direction ) to be trusted on machines. We called them the "social security force".