The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on April 11, 2009, 05:18:23 PM
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Might as well jump on the 'porn' bandwagon. ;D
Had 'em out doing a 'wipedown' so I took some quick pics.
Top Left: Colt 1991A1 Commander
Top Right: Springfield 1911 Loaded Gov't in black stainless
Bottom Left: Colt Ser. 70 Gov't
Bottom Right: Colt Ser. 80 Gov't
Middle: Colt .380 Ser 80 Gov't
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/pegleg45/DSCF5670.jpg)
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/pegleg45/DSCF5661.jpg)
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Might as well jump on the 'porn' bandwagon. ;D
Had 'em out doing a 'wipedown' so I took some quick pics.
Yeah, sure, "wipedown"...so that's what they're calling it these days? ::)
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Nice collection Peg!
I especially like the Springfield black stainless and that little .380.
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Yeah, sure, "wipedown"...so that's what they're calling it these days? ::)
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Nice collection Peg!
I especially like the Springfield black stainless and that little .380.
Thanks.
I like the .380 too. It's one of the most accurate little guns I've ever shot. It'll hold 'minute of coke can' with most ammo. It shoots about any brand as good as the next. And, it's fairly light weight for an all steel gun.
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My favorite topic.........very nice Peg!!
So which do you carry the most and do you consider the best shooter of the bunch? I like Series 70s personally, but the Springfield looks real nice too.
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My favorite topic.........very nice Peg!!
So which do you carry the most and do you consider the best shooter of the bunch? I like Series 70s personally, but the Springfield looks real nice too.
The Commander is still my winter (all 2 months of it) carry gun. Up until about five years ago it was my carry gun daily for about ten years. I am considering carrying it all the time again instead of my Glock 27 because of the .45 ACP factor. I would get rid if the G27 (not bashing the G27 by any means, it is a very good gun) for something like a Kimber Ultra Carry II because I love the 1911 format better. http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ultracarry/
All are good shooters.
The most accurate would be the Series 70. The barrel, slide and frame are original but everything else is aftermarket. It will out shoot my capabilities. I used it as a bullseye match gun for years. From a bagged rest, it has shot one-hole groups. As posted in another thread, the 70 is my pick of the litter because it was my first 1911 (although it ain't the prettiest of the bunch). All the rest would go before it went.
The SA is almost as accurate. It is all stock since it came "loaded" from the Armory.
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Not bashing Glock's either, if it was what I had I would use it. BUT even if it was the absolute best, most perfect, gun ever designed it can not match the aesthetic appeal of polished steel and wood. We may use Glocks, we may trust Glocks, but we admire, and LOVE steel guns.
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Not bashing Glock's either, if it was what I had I would use it. BUT even if it was the absolute best, most perfect, gun ever designed it can not match the aesthetic appeal of polished steel and wood. We may use Glocks, we may trust Glocks, but we admire, and LOVE steel guns.
Spot on.......I worship at the alter of custom 1911s and classic blued Colts........ :)
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Not bashing Glock's either, if it was what I had I would use it. BUT even if it was the absolute best, most perfect, gun ever designed it can not match the aesthetic appeal of polished steel and wood. We may use Glocks, we may trust Glocks, but we admire, and LOVE steel guns.
You, sir, are a genius. ;D
Couldn't have said it better.
I've always wanted a Gold Cup Colt. Had a chance at one at a gun show once. A guy (not a vendor) had one that someone had traded to him because they owed him $300. He took it apart and put it back together wrong and thought it was broken. All he wanted was to sell for said $300 or trade for that value. I offered a check but he wanted cash only since he didn't know me from Adam (can't really fault him for that).
So instead, as posted in the "favorite gun" thread, I bought the series 70 as a basket case (from a guy who did some 'hatchet job' gunsmithing on it) and I gave it a little TLC.
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THANK YOU!
I was starting to get the shakes from staring at those glocks. ;D
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THANK YOU!
I was starting to get the shakes from staring at those glocks. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just doing my part for humanity.
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Beautiful collection Peg.
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Now you've inspired me. Sorry the pics aren't that great.
Middle left, my favorite, P-14 .45 with bull barrel, ambi safety, Bomar sights, all the other goodies, a super
sweet trigger job tops it off. Shoots friggin sweet.
Lower right is a P-14 Limited. It is my 3 year olds when he is ready. I won it at a match and figured it
would be a good way to start his collection. It's never been shot and won't be until he can pull the trigger.
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I would comment on these great pistols but I have to wipe drool off the key board. ;D
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Just like with the bike, very, very nice ......... always wanted to try a Para.
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Just like with the bike, very, very nice ......... always wanted to try a Para.
Would like to try the double stack, and the "long Slide".
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I had to pick a name that suited me ;)
FYI, my sons name is Samuel Colton (the wife didn't figure it out until it was to late). ;D
If you're ever down in this neck of the woods.............
I prefer the wide bodied guns myself. Lower left is a Kimber Custom TLE II. Figured I should have a
single stack. Shoots nice but the "feel" is off.
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My wife told me to "Go to hell" when I suggested John Moses. I should have known then that it was a mistake. ;D
B!tch wouldn't go for Hiram either. ;D
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So Mikhail Kalashnikov is out of the question?
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My wife told me to "Go to hell" when I suggested John Moses.
I've thought about that if we have another boy, but now she's on to me. :(
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My wife told me to "Go to hell" when I suggested John Moses. I should have known then that it was a mistake. ;D
B!tch wouldn't go for Hiram either. ;D
Hiram Bogan...........now that has a ring to it......... 8)
Tried to post and got booted off........ Tom, did you do it because of the name thing? ;D ;D
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Heck no, My first suggestion was "Eldorado" after my Great Great Grandfather.
I did not want to have a Jr. People next door did and every after noon all over the neighbor hood you could hear "JUNIOR !"
Ex wife's name was (still is I assume ) Erin, so we went with Thomas Aaron.
Yes I realize that the initials are TAB ::) but until he was born we called him TBA (to be announced ;D )
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OK, somebody clue me in on Hiram (unless it is from Tremors ;D )
Oh wait, something to do with machine guns?
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Hiram Walker?
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Would like to try the double stack, and the "long Slide".
Won't ask, won't tell Tom. ;D
FQ13 who is in no way influenced byFreud
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Please where did you get the baby one. I would love to get that for my chic.
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Please where did you get the baby one. I would love to get that for my chic.
I think that's a stainless Colt Mustang .380 in Junkies top picture. It's even smaller than the Gov't .380.
Kinda like a mini Officers Model.
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Thanks for the 411 im looking into it right now. Her birthday is coming and that would make her year.
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Peg nailed it.
Good luck finding one. I bought it right before they quit making them. Prices have jumped quite a bit and
most people seem to hang on to them.
If you find one at a reasonable price, jump on it.
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Thanks for the 411 im looking into it right now. Her birthday is coming and that would make her year.
Sig Sauer is making a cute little clone of the Mustang, the P238 but I don't think it's MA or CA compliant, yet!
Oh yea, PegLeg and Junkie,
slobber, slobber, whine, slobber, whine, drooool, slobber......NICE...slobber....GUNS!!!!! ;D
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Left: Kimber Stainless Raptor II with Crimson Trace grips
Right: Springfield TRP
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Hiram Maxim was a fellow REAL Yankee, He was from the next county over from where I lived, (it was across the State line in Me.)
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Left: Kimber Stainless Raptor II with Crimson Trace grips
Right: Springfield TRP
I like the serations on the raptor. Wish they'd make crimson trace to fit wide bodies. :'(
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Left: Kimber Stainless Raptor II with Crimson Trace grips
Right: Springfield TRP
Very nice!! How do you like the G 10 grips? I like the magazine release cut out which directs your thumb directly to the release button.
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Very nice!! How do you like the G 10 grips? I like the magazine release cut out which directs your thumb directly to the release button.
I really love them. They almost hold your hand.
That mag cutout is something subtle that makes them even better.
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I really love them. They almost hold your hand.
That mag cutout is something subtle that makes them even better.
Any issues with the G 10 rubbing against your side, especially in the summer months when you might just be wearing a tee shirt to cover the gun? I have several G 10 knives and know it can be quite course. I'm thinking about putting a set on my Nighthawk but so far have stayed with cocobolo stocks.
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Any issues with the G 10 rubbing against your side, especially in the summer months when you might just be wearing a tee shirt to cover the gun? I have several G 10 knives and know it can be quite course. I'm thinking about putting a set on my Nighthawk but so far have stayed with cocobolo stocks.
Dude, I live in Jersey. I'm lucky I'm allowed to carry a gun from the back table to the booth at the range!
I WISH I had to worry about carrying my TRP.
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Dude, I live in Jersey. I'm lucky I'm allowed to carry a gun from the back table to the booth at the range!
I WISH I had to worry about carrying my TRP.
Excellent point. Do you carry it around in the house? ;D
Just make sure you don't have those "evil" hollowpoints in the Garden State. I heard a story of a woman who carried into NJ, with an out of state CCW, and was arrested. The judge let the person off with a year probation but fined her $1,000 per each hollow point round. The remarkable thing is that NJ is the only state banning hollow points, even for retired LEO, because the ignorant legislators confused hollow points with armor piercing bullets and thus banned them...You can't make it up.
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Excellent point. Do you carry it around in the house? ;D
Just make sure you don't have those "evil" hollowpoints in the Garden State. I heard a story of a woman who carried into NJ, with an out of state CCW, and was arrested. The judge let the person off with a year probation but fined her $1,000 per each hollow point round. The remarkable thing is that NJ is the only state banning hollow points, even for retired LEO, because the ignorant legislators confused hollow points with armor piercing bullets and thus banned them...You can't make it up.
There's a fun caveat. I can HAVE them, I just can't CARRY them. Pretty much, I can keep them in my house, but can't take them anywhere, even if I don't have a gun (unless I'm going to the range or going hunting). That's the fun part to me, getting arrested for ammunition with no gun!
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Left: Kimber Stainless Raptor II with Crimson Trace grips
Right: Springfield TRP
Very nice PSIJ....I really like the grasping 'scales' on the Kimber. Very nice.
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Back to Porn.
Finished pistols.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1350.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1355.jpg) STI .38 super
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1356.jpg)
Series 70, nitex, original, well worn, carried under the seat of my father inlaws car.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1364.jpg)
Para P18
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1362.jpg)
My little guys, 3 and 3 1/2"
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1358.jpg)
The biggen, P14 Lda Limited.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1357.jpg)
My econo 1911, Essex frame and GI slide, got basically for free, trade out on gunsmithing work. I have 76 real dollars in this pistol, and it was a project, parts I had laying around, take offs, and some stuff I won. GI barrel as well, but in the end, it works, shoots 3 1/2" at 25 yards, has a scary 1 1/2 lb trigger. I like it.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1354.jpg)
My Caspian 9mm, what a fun gun to shoot, SA slide with bomar low melt, done by yours truly, fiber optic front sight, also done by me. It is a no warranty frame, bought 1991 or so, because .38 super cracked the frame, no trouble in 9mm.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1353.jpg)
SA frame with a Marvel .22 conversion on it, the top end is normally a Colt, with Bomars and a Kart barrel, shoots 3" at 50 yards.
2 more in the works, a Les Bauer matched upper and lower, just got a barrel for it to finish it. A Safari arms, match master upper and lower, in progress, pics to come later.
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I'll take the econo. Just like the looks. ;)
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some very cool 1911's there, ;D ;D
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Does a 1911 in-work count as porn?
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(Off topic: Public Service Announcement)
You guys can imagine how bored I was this morning to even check out this thread.... when I did, I saw this:
for something like a Kimber Ultra Carry II because I love the 1911 format better
And I was instantly nauseous. Seriously, Peg, and anyone else considering that gun, I had about 8 of them in classes last year. One guy brought a matched pair. NOT ONE of them made it to lunch on day 1 without problems. Most of them were choking within the first hour. These guns are dangerously unreliable. One of them actually fell to pieces on the range in Georgia. I tease the 1911 guys a lot, but the fact is that some guns do occasionally perform well... this model is not one of them. The only reason I point it out is that the model is, because of size, price, hype and style, very popular.
(back to the originally scheduled thread)
Nice Pics!
-RJP
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(Off topic: Public Service Announcement)
You guys can imagine how bored I was this morning to even check out this thread.... when I did, I saw this:
And I was instantly nauseous. Seriously, Peg, and anyone else considering that gun, I had about 8 of them in classes last year. One guy brought a matched pair. NOT ONE of them made it to lunch on day 1 without problems. Most of them were choking within the first hour. These guns are dangerously unreliable. One of them actually fell to pieces on the range in Georgia. I tease the 1911 guys a lot, but the fact is that some guns do occasionally perform well... this model is not one of them. The only reason I point it out is that the model is, because of size, price, hype and style, very popular.
(back to the originally scheduled thread)
Nice Pics!
-RJP
It's contagious isn't it ;D
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(Off topic: Public Service Announcement)
You guys can imagine how bored I was this morning to even check out this thread.... when I did, I saw this:
And I was instantly nauseous. Seriously, Peg, and anyone else considering that gun, I had about 8 of them in classes last year. One guy brought a matched pair. NOT ONE of them made it to lunch on day 1 without problems. Most of them were choking within the first hour. These guns are dangerously unreliable. One of them actually fell to pieces on the range in Georgia. I tease the 1911 guys a lot, but the fact is that some guns do occasionally perform well... this model is not one of them. The only reason I point it out is that the model is, because of size, price, hype and style, very popular.
(back to the originally scheduled thread)
Nice Pics!
-RJP
But Rob, all the gun mags say this Kimber is a marvelous gun.......... ::)
It's truly refreshing to get an honest and objective critique for a change. We appreciate it sir.
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... okay, I felt bad for not actually participating properly... so I went down into the basement, moved some crates, went through a door marked "Beware of the Leopard" and found a case with some 1911s:
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q214/vtcrob/1911s.jpg)
Top Row:
Norinco that was built up for IPSC and then converted to 460 Roland.
Mustang Plus II
Les Baer
S&W 945
Bottom Row:
Series 80 Colt Stainless
Para LDA .45
Clark Custom Caspian, Meltdown in .40 S&W
Colt Series 70 in 9mm
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Do these few 1911 "occasionally" run well Rob?
Nice collection...what's the 945 doing messing up the shot? ;D
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The 945 is the only one of the bunch that I would risk my life with.... super-reliable, ridiculously accurate.
The Clark has been pretty reliable with full power loads, chokes with some target stuff.
The Baer is one of the few examples of Baers I've seen that actually works reliably... after several hundred rounds of break-in. It came from the factory too tight to load without effort.... now it shoots incredibly well... on par with the 945.
The LDA works well, but it is a boat anchor when loaded.
The Series 80 is moderately reliably, as is the 9mm Series 70.
The Mustang has a long story behind it and doesn't get loaded anymore without EXTREME Caution.
The .460 Rowland was going to be used for Hog Hunting, but I never got around to it (more fun with knives). I knew the developer of the round and decided to get the conversion just for the novelty. It is a handful. I've got the original Top end and a 10mm Conversion from Auto Ordnance somewhere.....
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Wow everyone! Nice collection of hardware, including Rob's collection of "Basement Queens". And while we're on the subject, Rob, thanks for your honest and candid opinions on whatever the subject. When all the gun mags say things they are accompanied by pretty porn and it's tempting. We've seen a number of slick new items turn out to be turds and it has been disappointing to see the leaders of the industry apparently jumping on the gravy train. It's refreshing to get straight opinion from someone on the inside of the industry.
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The 945 is the only one of the bunch that I would risk my life with.... super-reliable, ridiculously accurate.
I would be forced to agree as I've put 50 rounds through one at the S&W range last fall. It's nice when someone hands you a $3000.00 race gun, 50 rounds and two targets to play with.
Without my glasses, blind to the rear sight, a blur of the front sight, barely....the gun (not me) managed to put 45 out of 50 rounds in a 6" spread at 25 yards....lord knows where the others ended up...I'll chalk them up to a few flyers... ;D
Sweet trigger, too bad I couldn't see, I know I can shoot better than that...at least in my younger days... ;)
To clarify, I trust MY life to a 1911, my comments were on the accuracy of an overpriced 945... ;D
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I guess I'm no "expert", just a shooter.
The line has been around for 100 years. People seem to just need to be fashionable I suppose.
I have more rounds through one of my guns than most people will shoot trhough all of theirs in their
lifetime. If reliability was a problem, they would be gone. I guess I only own the "flukes" that work.
Rob, seriously, for all the good info you provide sometimes you talk out your ass. It started with your
ignorance on frangibles and continues into this. I guess Rob Leatham and Todd Jarret are only in it for
the money. To bad. Not to mention all the other competition shooters.
I look for 3 things in a gun: good sights, good trigger, and it has to bang every time. Works for me.
http://www.downrange.tv/show1/
I can't believe all the editing that must have taken place to make it look like that gun never malfunctioned.
Rant over
Nice guns, maybe you should "liberate" them to someone who will apperciate them. ;)
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Dude, I'm sorry that you don't hold the same opinions as I do as to the reliability of 1911s in general.... but the fact is that I've never said that they all don't work... heck I just pointed out that a couple of mine work really well.... note that they are the more expensive ones. Probably like the type that Mr. Leatham and Mr. Jarrett would rely upon... along with most of the other competition shooters. I don't spend time watching the world class guys shoot.... mostly I watch and work with regular guys that have regular guns... professional and personal... and , when it comes to 1911s, I watch theirs choke and fail regularly. I think we had 3 make it through an entire 2 day class without failing last year... and at least one of them was cleaned at lunch both days and at the end of the 1st day.
You can always find examples that work, the question is whether or not you can just as easily find examples that don't... My opinions here are based on empirical evidence.
As for your collection of criteria:
I look for 3 things in a gun: good sights, good trigger, and it has to bang every time.
Do you really think that 95% of the 1911's put out in the first 100 years of their existence meet the first criteria?
Do you really think that 95% of the 1911's put out under $800 in the last 20 years meet the second?
Do you think that because $2000+ competition and custom guns in the hands of world class competitors meet the last one that it translates to all other examples?
Having a pet gun that you love is cool... thinking that anyone who doesn't speak endearingly about it and all of its cousins is talking "out his ass" is silly. Attributing the criteria you espouse to all 1911's across the board is just being blind.
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I'm really not sure what you mean in regard to the frangibles..... I'm pretty sure that we did more work researching the frangible products available between 2003 and 2006 than just about any other group as we built up Valhalla. Just had a great conversation on the topic with one of the new companies trying to get some things right last week, in fact. We also taped a littel myth-busting segment on frangibles for the new TBD show la couple weeks ago while at US Training Center. If you have info that contradicts something I've put out, please start a thread and lets discuss.... you probably won't say anything that offends me so much that I resort to foul language and questioning your integrity.
-RJP
PS- as for the "liberation" I'm taking offers via email or PM for the Para... the rest all hold some aspect of personal endearment for me.
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Rob, I (along with many) also appreciate your candid input. I regard what you say highly, as you have a wide collective with regards to what you see continuously, and you make sense of it. I can (and really do) appreciate what you had to say about the Ultra Carry II because you've come across many more than I have. And, because of your post I will seriously re-examine the Kimber as a choice (not like I have the $$ to get one right now anyway). I understand that the problem with reliability is inherent to the size of the gun. Shrunken 1911's are a bit more touchy than the larger sized ones.
I would also allow (from my own witnessing) that the reason a lot of 1911's don't run for some shooters is sometimes as much the operator as it is the gun. And, that alone is reason enough for one not to carry something if they can't shoot it reliably. It does have a manual of arms that is somewhat 'distinct', and maybe even styled more towards classic purists, who are intimate with said pistols. 1911's aren't for everyone.
I would like to point out that because I said I wanted one to possibly replace a G27 with a smaller 1911 didn't mean that I would get one and start carrying it for CCW right away the next day and trust my life to it, that would be foolish to say the least (although I know there are many folks who would). I wouldn't do that with any gun, regardless of manufacturer or type. It must be vetted first, as most of my 1911's are.
With the exception of my Springfield, all have been in my possession for at least fifteen years and I have no problem trusting them because I have shot them a lot and know what will work in them and what won't.
I have shot enough Cor-Bon JHP through my Commander alone to pay for the Kimber and the ONLY reason I don't carry it every day is the weight factor. It don't choke (and anyone can choose to believe that or not), the G27 is simply smaller and lighter for summer-style CCW.
My 1911 might not 'survive' your course (hell, I probably wouldn't survive your course either). ;)
Really nice guns, men....and m25, you're making me sick.....(with envy ;) ).
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Understood, Peg! I certainly would hpe that anyone would run a few hundred (at least) through any semi-auto they purchase before counting on it! Your point about the manual of arms with the 1911 is well taken.... and that is the main reason that I don't recommend them for new shooters in general. The manual safety and single action trigger make the gun harder to learn to use properly, safely and and efficiently. I REALLY didn't want this to turn into a 1911 vs. Others thread.... just wanted to throw out the PSA about the UCII..... IF I could, I'd split out my rude interruption and all that followed related to 1911 Usefulness... but I don't have that power in this sub-forum.
Lets go back to looking at pictures? (Anyone can feel free to start another thread to discuss other issues....)
-RJP
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Understood, Peg! I certainly would hpe that anyone would run a few hundred (at least) through any semi-auto they purchase before counting on it! Your point about the manual of arms with the 1911 is well taken.... and that is the main reason that I don't recommend them for new shooters in general. The manual safety and single action trigger make the gun harder to learn to use properly, safely and and efficiently. I REALLY didn't want this to turn into a 1911 vs. Others thread.... just wanted to throw out the PSA about the UCII..... IF I could, I'd split out my rude interruption and all that followed related to 1911 Usefulness... but I don't have that power in this sub-forum.
Lets go back to looking at pictures? (Anyone can feel free to start another thread to discuss other issues....)
-RJP
I can only speak for myself, but I certainly didn't take it as a rude interruption. I took it as genuine concern, based on a set of learned experiences by someone who has seen and done things that many have not. That's what I've grown to like and greatly appreciate about the DRTV Forums.....
If everyone puts in their 2 cents, and we discuss the pros and cons of the issue based on experiences, then we should all be better off in the long run.....
And, might even be able to buy a couple of cups of coffee with the change. ;)
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Understood, Peg! I certainly would hpe that anyone would run a few hundred (at least) through any semi-auto they purchase before counting on it! Your point about the manual of arms with the 1911 is well taken.... and that is the main reason that I don't recommend them for new shooters in general. The manual safety and single action trigger make the gun harder to learn to use properly, safely and and efficiently. I REALLY didn't want this to turn into a 1911 vs. Others thread.... just wanted to throw out the PSA about the UCII..... IF I could, I'd split out my rude interruption and all that followed related to 1911 Usefulness... but I don't have that power in this sub-forum.
Lets go back to looking at pictures? (Anyone can feel free to start another thread to discuss other issues....)
-RJP
I feel compelled to comment on this by asking a question of Rob, but I want everyone else to ask it of themselves while considering his answer.
Q: Rob, How many 1911's do you see in an average year, (please define "a s#$tload" ;D )
If you did cut out the comment on the Kimber you would be depriving us of valuable information.
Frederick the Great said fools learn from experience, a wise man learns from the experience of others. This is a subject where YOU have more experience than most of us combined.
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Robs experience accepted of course, I have been a range officer for 26 years in pistol, rifle and shotgun competition, bullseye to Uspsa, I have seen many 1911 failures, some inherent to the manufacturer and most not. Most common.
1) reloaded ammo.
2) non ball ammo.
3) operator error, ( limp wristing, small person shooting, with not enough strength to back it up )
4) home smithing and modifications, to springs and such.
Every failure you have read about, I have witnessed.
1) collet bushing fracture and failing. Poor design for reliability.
2) double charge that blows the magazine out, and blows the grips off. Operator error.
3) elliason sight roll pin breakage on Gold cups. Bad choice of parts.
4) on the early Kimber officers models, the barrel bushing was too thin where it holds the spring plunger, and the ears would
break off, and the spring and plunger would shoot downrange, They did fix it. Poor design to start.
5) sear and disconnector failure, Read: full auto. Normally, home made trigger jobs gone wrong, and gold cups, misassembly.
Nearly lost a friend to that one, walked out on the range after reassembling his pistol, and dropped the slide on a full mag, with it in his strong hand, and it went FA, 3 rounds of hardball in his left arm, and he was lucky. Because of his experience, I never drop the slide on a 1911 without my finger on the trigger, holding it back and with both hands around the grip just in case. Read Peglegs post, I did learn from my friends experience.
6) match fitting of the barrel and slide, needs to be broken in, to be reliable, and just like race cars, match guns need to be fed race ammo, tailored to the gun, expect malfunctions until these two criteria meet. I had a friend who brought me a Les Bauer Comanche, that Worked when it was shot, but was fit so tight you could not operate it by hand, when a round was chambered. But when loaded, it shot and fed.
I own 9, 1911's with 2 on the build, all work with wadcutter ammunition, except the .22rf of course, and the .22rf are more finicky. So I do own and shoot them, like them very much, but if I took one of Robs classes, it would be hardball all the way. And sorry to say, I would take it with a glock probably. As that is my go to, no BS pistols, more ammo, and unarguable track record.
But that spare Colt slide and a guy on AR15dotcom with a .460 rowland conversion has got me interested, not to mention a friend gave me a Delta elite barrel, so a new Sti slide in .40 with the full length slide with no dust cuts sounds interesting.
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Dude, I'm sorry that you don't hold the same opinions as I do as to the reliability of 1911s in general.... but the fact is that I've never said that they all don't work... heck I just pointed out that a couple of mine work really well.... note that they are the more expensive ones. Probably like the type that Mr. Leatham and Mr. Jarrett would rely upon... along with most of the other competition shooters. I don't spend time watching the world class guys shoot.... mostly I watch and work with regular guys that have regular guns... professional and personal... and , when it comes to 1911s, I watch theirs choke and fail regularly. I think we had 3 make it through an entire 2 day class without failing last year... and at least one of them was cleaned at lunch both days and at the end of the 1st day.
You can always find examples that work, the question is whether or not you can just as easily find examples that don't... My opinions here are based on empirical evidence.
As for your collection of criteria:
Do you really think that 95% of the 1911's put out in the first 100 years of their existence meet the first criteria?
Do you really think that 95% of the 1911's put out under $800 in the last 20 years meet the second?
Do you think that because $2000+ competition and custom guns in the hands of world class competitors meet the last one that it translates to all other examples?
Having a pet gun that you love is cool... thinking that anyone who doesn't speak endearingly about it and all of its cousins is talking "out his ass" is silly. Attributing the criteria you espouse to all 1911's across the board is just being blind.
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I'm really not sure what you mean in regard to the frangibles..... I'm pretty sure that we did more work researching the frangible products available between 2003 and 2006 than just about any other group as we built up Valhalla. Just had a great conversation on the topic with one of the new companies trying to get some things right last week, in fact. We also taped a littel myth-busting segment on frangibles for the new TBD show la couple weeks ago while at US Training Center. If you have info that contradicts something I've put out, please start a thread and lets discuss.... you probably won't say anything that offends me so much that I resort to foul language and questioning your integrity.
-RJP
PS- as for the "liberation" I'm taking offers via email or PM for the Para... the rest all hold some aspect of personal endearment for me.
"Lose that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock."
;)
Re: Liberation....
How about free to a good home? ;D
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Hey, I needed to rant. I'm not questioning Robs integrity, I just get tired of hearing the stuff sometimes.
I do appologize if I got personal. Unfortunatley you usually are a voice of reason and people listen to you although I can't figure out why ;) The frangible comment
was from an old thread and not worth rehashing.
Rob, I would probably take you up on the LDA but I have a S&W M&P on the way (baby steps in going to
plastic).
+1 on what m25 said.
I lube my guns, cleaning means taking a screwdriver and scraping out the chunks when it starts to slow
down (somewhere around 5000 rds). Most of the failures I've seen are from people screwing with their
guns themselves(not that thats ever happened to any of mine ;)).
Holy crap, I forgot to get a pic of my .38 super comp, Para frame, STI slide, Clarke 7 port comp, and
Doctor sight cut into the slide. Not sure on that sight(or the whole set-up) never got into the "space
gun" scene.
Eric, you're quoting movies......................just like Badger ;D
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There is no perfect gun only one that come close. Just like anything man made issues suck as defective parts and machining problems are thing we have to live with. That why you have to take a close look at the piece your buy and pass on it if you have doughts. People that tamper with a working piece and ruin it that on them, they will have to live with a POS that just on over priced paper wieght. >:(
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Eric, you're quoting movies......................just like Badger ;D
Yep, but when I do it it is all tongue in cheek sarcasm, and not because I am a 17 year old Mall Ninja.