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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on April 17, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s_but_75_opt_to_stay
Thirty-one percent (31%) of Texas voters say that their state has the right to secede from the United States and form an independent country.
However, the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in the state finds that if the matter was put to a vote, it wouldn’t even be close. Three-fourths (75%) of Lone Star State voters would opt to remain in the United States. Only 18% would vote to secede, and seven percent (7%) are not sure what they'd choose.
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I guess those 18% will be getting audited very soon. ;D
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What's sad is if we were to secede, and weren't forced to pay any of the national debt ,we could actually afford universal health care and free college for everyone. If this was mentioned all the Yankees and Californians that relocated here would suddenly change their minds and it would be 65% in favor of secession.
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You could also declare war and surrender very quickly, then the govt would rebuild and support the state for decades. I might consider moving to Tejas under those conditions.
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You could also declare war and surrender very quickly, then the govt would rebuild and support the state for decades. I might consider moving to Tejas under those conditions.
one of the islands in the keys did that in the 70s. They actually got aid ( yeah it makes me sick too)
I would not be so sure that tx could make it as a country. Atleast not in the short term. They have very little food production, they get water from many other state, same with power. With out any of those things, your going to be short lived as a country.
There is only 2 real industrys in tx that people want/need oil, and microchips. The only one of those two that can produce any type of real income for the state is oil. They have very little food production, they get water from many other state, same with power.
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Key West. Conch Republic April 23, 1982 (http://www.mazeguy.net/employed/pirate.gif) (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/party0031.gif)
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If we did have it put to a actual vote in the state, I would say that only native born Texans could vote on the subject. And if we did secede, does that mean that the rest of the states stop all economic activity stops with us? Just as well, Texas is a donor state, for every one dollar we give to the federal government we only get back 70 cents. Governor Perry, if he really did want this, should stay on topic constantly, tell people every day how the feds are destroying our rights, and commission a group to study and research the possibility of running our own nation. I think they'd find that not only is it feasible but that it would be the right thing to do. In my opinion the union is less with out us and we are more with out them.
By the way, Texas is the helium capitol of the world, so good look feeling those party balloons without us suckas. ;D ;D ;D
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one of the islands in the keys did that in the 70s. They actually got aid ( yeah it makes me sick too)
I would not be so sure that tx could make it as a country. Atleast not in the short term. They have very little food production, they get water from many other state, same with power. With out any of those things, your going to be short lived as a country.
There is only 2 real industrys in tx that people want/need oil, and microchips. The only one of those two that can produce any type of real income for the state is oil. They have very little food production, they get water from many other state, same with power.
Don't see that food is a problem, or water either, every major Corp. in the country already deals with foreign countries, northern states get the majority of their electricity from Canada, and since Texas has oil they are in a very good position to trade for water.
The precedents were set long ago.
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Key West. Conch Republic April 23, 1982 (http://www.mazeguy.net/employed/pirate.gif) (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/party0031.gif)
And they had a point. The cops weer doing drug interdiction stops on the overseas highway, thats the only onto and off of the island. Traffic tie ups got so bad it was discouraging tourists, plus making off island commutes for the locals a nightmare.
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Plus, like everything else in Key West it made a great excuse for a party. ;D
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Don't see that food is a problem, or water either, every major Corp. in the country already deals with foreign countries, northern states get the majority of their electricity from Canada, and since Texas has oil they are in a very good position to trade for water.
The precedents were set long ago.
the federal goverment could shut down trade with them, litterly at will. I doubt the current adminstration nor congers has the stones to do it, but thats a very big gamble. Not to mention the fact that the federal goverment owns a good chunk of the oil infrastructure in texas. No way in hell they are going to give that up with out one hell of a fight.
They could also do the same with water... leaving mexico thier only source...
I don't care how bad ass texas thinks they are, no way they could handle the US goverment.
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I don't care how bad ass texas thinks they are, no way they could handle the US goverment.
All depends on how much of a disturbance the rest of the states were at the same time the US gummint was trying to bother Texas.
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All depends on how much of a disturbance the rest of the states were at the same time the US gummint was trying to bother Texas.
I think we could provide sufficient distraction ;D
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Key West. Conch Republic April 23, 1982 (http://www.mazeguy.net/employed/pirate.gif) (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/party0031.gif)
Yes but they were hippies that idolized Jimmy Buffet. After the "buzz" and munchies wore off, they caved. ;)
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Yes but they were hippies that idolized Jimmy Buffet. After the "buzz" and munchies wore off, they caved. ;)
I don't know where you're from originally, but if you believe that, don't say it 90 miles south of 70 miles west of Miami. There are still a lot of us old school Florida crackers out there. Dont' forget key west's economy usded to consist of smuggling, fishig and setting up false channel lights to lure ships aground so they could be salvaged. Just because they wear Buffet shirts and smoke a little weed, doesn't make em' the kind of folks you want to mess with. 8)
OLD SCHOOL, FL. REDNECK
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Just because they wear Buffet shirts and smoke a little weed, doesn't make em' the kind of folks you want to mess with.
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I was stationed in Key Waste for a year back in the 70's. Trust me, the city then, was sailors and homosexuals with some hairy local women in the mix. With the exception of the Navy and Marine Corp, the balance of the population then were pacifists and no threat to anyone. Since then, the Navy has moved out leaving, well, you get the picture.....Never was a Buffett fan anyway!
;D timothy...glad he never bent down to pick up the soap...
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I don't know where you're from originally, but if you believe that, don't say it 90 miles south of 70 miles west of Miami. There are still a lot of us old school Florida crackers out there. Dont' forget key west's economy usded to consist of smuggling, fishig and setting up false channel lights to lure ships aground so they could be salvaged. Just because they wear Buffet shirts and smoke a little weed, doesn't make em' the kind of folks you want to mess with. 8)
OLD SCHOOL, FL. REDNECK
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Born in Miami when the predominant language WAS English. Worked at the No Name Pub on Big Pine Key, "The Original Devils Triangle" especially when Ernie's Island Pub was just next door on Little Pine Key,.... Watched Jimmy Buffet get his ass kicked for hitting on a guy's wife.
Was a commercial fisherman (1st mate) from the Keys to the Tortugas, and got the hell out there when Fidel (our new buddy), released all the mental patients, and prisoners to America to "help" our immigration policy under good ol Jimmy Carter.
Moved to West Broward County where my family raised horses (Arabian and Lipizzaner ) at Bonaventure, fished and did mucho target shooting and some boar hunting.
The "Florida Jewfish" was a burlap bale of marijuana that smelled like diesel fuel, and was an extra in 3 Miami Vice episodes, (when skipping school, and showing up at Vizcaya for a casting call was more fun).
Twyacht, who is also a fellow florida redneck knows where the bodies are buried west of the Miccosukee Reservation. just off Alligator Alley. ;)
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Born in Miami when the predominant language WAS English. Worked at the No Name Pub on Big Pine Key, "The Original Devils Triangle" especially when Ernie's Island Pub was just next door on Little Pine Key,.... Watched Jimmy Buffet get his ass kicked for hitting on a guy's wife.
Was a commercial fisherman (1st mate) from the Keys to the Tortugas, and got the hell out there when Fidel (our new buddy), released all the mental patients, and prisoners to America to "help" our immigration policy under good ol Jimmy Carter.
Moved to West Broward County where my family raised horses (Arabian and Lipizzaner ) at Bonaventure, fished and did mucho target shooting and some boar hunting.
The "Florida Jewfish" was a burlap bale of marijuana that smelled like diesel fuel, and was an extra in 3 Miami Vice episodes, (when skipping school, and showing up at Vizcaya for a casting call was more fun).
Twyacht, who is also a fellow florida redneck knows where the bodies are buried west of the Miccosukee Reservation. just off Alligator Alley. ;)
Very cool my man, and if you worked at the no name, you know where of I speak about not messing with those old guys who have their ears nd noses all chewed up by the sun. ;D
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I also remember when the "old guys" didn't put up with the gay element that has taken a foothold, along with the Rainbow Coalition, down there on Roosevelt Street.
Politically Correct Disclaimer:
Not That there is anything wrong with that,......... ;)
To the OP:
The Texas tourism commercials used to advertise: It's Own Little Country......
Doesn't seem that far fetched anymore,....
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What's sad is if we were to secede, and weren't forced to pay any of the national debt ,we could actually afford universal health care and free college for everyone. If this was mentioned all the Yankees and Californians that relocated here would suddenly change their minds and it would be 65% in favor of secession.
First of all, why are we even talking about secession? Together we stand, divided we fall. I find these remarks treason.
Hey, lets cut out on the rest of America, and start our own Socialistic society, where everyone has affordable health care, and free college (in Texas only of course). And for your folks out there who want to cut out with us, we're not going to pay taxes anymore. Apparently, someone found a genie lamp some where on a beach around Brownsville? And it's magic. No more of this "One for all, All for one" ideology. We're gonna take control of our own destiny down here. We don't have a clue who's gonna run the show? But we're confident that we know better than all the political minds in Washington D.C. Hey, just because the first secession of the States didn't work; doesn't mean it won't work for us now. Oh! By the way...We have plenty in Texas. They don't say "everything's bigger in Texas" for nothing. That includes our oil industry. We can drill, refine, and ship our oil to the rest of the United States without dealing with the middleman anymore. The U.S. buys everything else from foreign countries. Why not us? We're closer even. I'm sure that after awhile, the rest of the States will forget about us cutting out on them, and seceding, and they will eventually enter into trade agreements with us. Won't they?
NOW....Before all you southern gents pounce on me for this; understand that I have the utmost respect for you. I am ex-military, and some of my best friends are from the south. And while the name "yankee" doesn't really offend me, it's diration does. Myself and well as many other yankees, don't feel any hostilities against people from the south. But we do feel resentment on one level or another from some of you and you're feelings about us. The war of the states was, and will forever be the darkest days of our nation. But it ended over 140 years ago. That's alot of generations to carry the burdens of our brethern on both sides. Alot of southern folks like to say that "it's their southern heritage". That's fine to celebrate or mourn the result of that war. It's just the animosity associated with it, that makes the debate go on, and on, and on. Our country is a mess! From East to West, North to South. We are one nation now. Men from all walks of life, in all areas of our country, have fought and died since the war of secession, to ensure our freedoms. And now, we have a black president. One who has issues with issues we're passionate about. But, you know as well as I do, that former administrations started us on a steady decline. Republican and Democrat respectfully. I love this country. I can't imagine living anywhere else on the planet. Yes, we have problems. Plenty of them. I don't envy Obama for the task he has undertaken. But I do respect his bravery when everyone seeks to betray him. He is our President. He was elected by popular vote. Does he have my best interest in mind when he talks about guns? Absolutely not! But I'm confident, that the rest of Congress does. I think we as gun owners, enthusiast, etc...have and will continue strong opposition against unconstitutional gun laws/bans. This is what makes our government work. Getting caught up in all the media hype and propaganda is a complete waste of time. Even networks report the news to their political spin. Talking about secession to me is the same thing. A waste of time. I need affordable health care where I live, not just in Texas. We're in this together people! We are the citizens of the United States of America. Not the USA, and the Republic of Texas. I know I need to step back now and again, just to get a new perspective on things, just to stay sane. I think all of us need to do that from time to time.
It's easy to be angry, and want to cut out and end relationships. But this isn't leaving one girlfriend for another? This is one of our most beloved States seceding from the rest of us. I wonder if the percentage of Texans wanting to secede are Mexican-Americans? They've been saying Texas is theirs since before the Alamo. It certainly gives states bordering Texas something to think about doesn't it?
It's harder to seek the truth and show it to others in a way that won't offend them. Go figure? I don't see how Texas seceding from the rest of the states help the rest of the states? Maybe it's not suppose to? Maybe it's just supposedly to help them. Sounds kinda selfish to me? In any event, I'll pray for all of us, including Texas tonight. If there's even 65% of you that want to join me, that would be great too!
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We don't get our water from the feds, who the f**k thought that up, we don't get our energy, from anyone else, Hell we provide
it at a mandated F**king discount to the rest of the union, Food, Beef, and lot's of it, the Valley as it is known, provides vegetables, on a large scale, not to mention, Like during WW2, Victory gardens, We can sustain ourselves, Maybe not apples, and cherries, but jalapeno's, squash, pears, cantaloupe, watermellon, okra, , Tomato's best in the world. And of course Beans, Pinto of course, we grow the snap pea's, black eyed pea's, sweet peas, Corn, of course we will make tortilla's to make tostada's and use the beans to make Chalaupa's, wheat for flour, to make tortillas de aharina, lots of wild pigs, and we use the pig heads to make tamale's, We may not grow jicama, or avacado's, rhubarb and other cold weather plants, but can grow collard greens, mustard greens, and turnip. We will be fine, the above mentioned vege's and fruits, can be grown in my backyard, I'm a secession kind of guy, but understand it will be hard at 1st. I am tired of the status quo. It is time for states to cry bullshit.!! Not just mine, but yours as well, Tab I know your outnumbered, but many people are getting the wake up, this may be your states time to rise, but I doubt it . I hate relinquishement, and won't tolerate it.
Texas's boys can survive.
To Coroner, it is not treason, We as a state are not giving aid and comfort to the enemy, " We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us, ( pogo ) We are trying to give aid and comfort to ourselves in a futuristic scenario, We have not done it, but are thinking about it. Why does Texas have an option? And NH, and a few other states? Because we stated it in the original provisions of statehood, and under the 10th amendment, the Feds are nullifying the constitution, after that all bet's are off. Capiche?
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M25, you forget, states are forbiden from making treatiess with other countrys. So by the US cons, the only people you could make them with is federal goverment.
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M25, you forget, states are forbiden from making treatiess with other countrys. So by the US cons, the only people you could make them with is federal goverment.
Did you take a severe blow to the head TAB ? What does any of this have to do with making treaties ? It's no different than Mack selling to the Soviets the factory that built the trucks and APC's they used to invade Afghanistan. American companies make perfectly legal sales to other countries every day. So often in fact that there is a name for it.
It's called "Foreign Trade" you may have heard of it back before the paint fumes got to you.
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he was saying that they could still ghet things I was just pointing out that the fed control international trade.
Try buying something from cuba, or sending a computer of afgahanistan.
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I think Texas and Montana are just taking the lead.
"It is customary for republican governments to be bound by constitutions, and this is grand idea. The question does arise, however, about what recourse the citizen has when the government disregards its own constitution, as is the case with our own Tenth Amendment. What do you do if your government does not obey its own laws? Our Declaration declaims that when governments do not observe the God-given rights of man, it is not only the right but the duty of the people to alter or abolish them. The Declaration of Independence may not be the supreme law of the land - which is the Constitution - but it frames our philosophy of government and serves as a guide for those who respect our traditions. More people should."
Col. Jeff Cooper
Note this from the Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177:
"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having formed in nature of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose, since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law in legal contemplation is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted."
"Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection and justifies no acts performed under it."
"No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."
"No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor."
Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105
"If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity."
Shuttleworth v. City of Birmingham Alabama, 373 US 262
"An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as though it had never been passed."
Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425
The citizenry has already allowed these precedents, to be rendered impotent.,,,,,,Too Bad. Maybe TX is just trying to use established rulings to hold the Feds to account.
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Not That there is anything wrong with that,......... ;)
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You do mean kicking ass, right! :D [please note that emoticon is not winking]
Texas grows a lot of food, a whole lot of food and could get by without imports. They have tremendous agricultural areas, they have steel plants that manufacture pipe, beams, etc...and they are quite self-sufficient with electricity, unlike California.
Cessation of their port activities alone would be extremely disruptive to the rest of the nation and a loss of Texas ports a long time to recover from.
If they cut off the oil and gas to the rest of the US, last year's $140 bbl would be a fond memory....but then they don't have to even do that, just curtail refining capacity. You'd have to actually build new refining somewhere else in the US...and nobody has accomplished that since I was a child.
Texas, as a free state, would be able to negotiate with anyone, they have deep ports and could immediately begin exporting what the rest of the US is using now....we need them more than they need us, by so much I can't believe the thoughtless statements saying Texas would be in a bind to seccede. An exporter nation that can feed itself and provide it's own fuel and food....a true economic powerhouse.
No, the loss would be ours. If Texas was joined by Louisiana and Oklahoma, Sarah Palin's oil would be very popular all of a sudden. In the War Between The States, the north had manufacturing, etc....i.e., the big stick. Now what is produced in quantity....Wall Street, Washington D.C. blowhards, poets and politicians...things that really make a difference and put food in the mouth, clothing on the back and a roof over the head.
Naw, we need Texas a whole lot more than they need us...if someone thinks that we don't need them then they aren't thinking. If Texas really wanted to seccede, BHO and the boys would have every carrier in the inventory sittin' off Galveston pronto, he'd swell all the military bases around with anybody he could find off the street...think we saw a massive deployment to Kuwait...he'd have troops holding hands across, up and down Texas if the talk of leaving was serious.
EDIT: Now, the last paragraph was if Texas went it alone and the status quo is as it is now. If it gets a little worse and Texas really does kick up...BHO wouldn't be able to focus on Texas alone. And the issue would not be a polarizing nation vs. state or state vs. state issue, as it was in the War Between The States...it would be more like The War Between The State's misnomer name that it is called today and, I suspect, the military would begin to balk.
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You do mean kicking ass, right! :D [please note that emoticon is not winking]
Texas grows a lot of food, a whole lot of food and could get by without imports. They have tremendous agricultural areas, they have steel plants that manufacture pipe, beams, etc...and they are quite self-sufficient with electricity, unlike California.
Cessation of their port activities alone would be extremely disruptive to the rest of the nation and a loss of Texas ports a long time to recover from.
If they cut off the oil and gas to the rest of the US, last year's $140 bbl would be a fond memory....but then they don't have to even do that, just curtail refining capacity. You'd have to actually build new refining somewhere else in the US...and nobody has accomplished that since I was a child.
Texas, as a free state, would be able to negotiate with anyone, they have deep ports and could immediately begin exporting what the rest of the US is using now....we need them more than they need us, by so much I can't believe the thoughtless statements saying Texas would be in a bind to seccede. An exporter nation that can feed itself and provide it's own fuel and food....a true economic powerhouse.
No, the loss would be ours. If Texas was joined by Louisiana and Oklahoma, Sarah Palin's oil would be very popular all of a sudden. In the War Between The States, the north had manufacturing, etc....i.e., the big stick. Now what is produced in quantity....Wall Street, Washington D.C. blowhards, poets and politicians...things that really make a difference and put food in the mouth, clothing on the back and a roof over the head.
Naw, we need Texas a whole lot more than they need us...if you think that we need them you aren't thinking. If Texas really wanted to seccede, BHO and the boys would have every carrier in the inventory sittin' off Galveston pronto, he'd swell all the military bases around with anybody he could find off the street...think we saw a massive deployment to Kuwait...he'd have troops holding hands across, up and down Texas if the talk of leaving was serious.
Spot on Rastus! No one takes it seriously, least of all Rick Perry. If he did, I'd be right up there with coroner and quoting Andrew Jackson when he threatened to hang Calhoun. It is, however instructive, to occasionally remind our congress critters and pres, of what ever party, that there are limits. If it can be done in the spirit of fun, with a bit of a barb thrown in that gets the point across so much the better.
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You do mean kicking ass, right! :D [please note that emoticon is not winking]
Texas grows a lot of food, a whole lot of food and could get by without imports. They have tremendous agricultural areas, they have steel plants that manufacture pipe, beams, etc...and they are quite self-sufficient with electricity, unlike California.
Cessation of their port activities alone would be extremely disruptive to the rest of the nation and a loss of Texas ports a long time to recover from.
If they cut off the oil and gas to the rest of the US, last year's $140 bbl would be a fond memory....but then they don't have to even do that, just curtail refining capacity. You'd have to actually build new refining somewhere else in the US...and nobody has accomplished that since I was a child.
Texas, as a free state, would be able to negotiate with anyone, they have deep ports and could immediately begin exporting what the rest of the US is using now....we need them more than they need us, by so much I can't believe the thoughtless statements saying Texas would be in a bind to seccede. An exporter nation that can feed itself and provide it's own fuel and food....a true economic powerhouse.
No, the loss would be ours. If Texas was joined by Louisiana and Oklahoma, Sarah Palin's oil would be very popular all of a sudden. In the War Between The States, the north had manufacturing, etc....i.e., the big stick. Now what is produced in quantity....Wall Street, Washington D.C. blowhards, poets and politicians...things that really make a difference and put food in the mouth, clothing on the back and a roof over the head.
Naw, we need Texas a whole lot more than they need us...if you think that we need them you aren't thinking. If Texas really wanted to seccede, BHO and the boys would have every carrier in the inventory sittin' off Galveston pronto, he'd swell all the military bases around with anybody he could find off the street...think we saw a massive deployment to Kuwait...he'd have troops holding hands across, up and down Texas if the talk of leaving was serious.
Here we go stereotyping people in the north again. I knew it was coming. Us blowhards here in the north are also dealing with the same problems as Texas, Florida, the Carolinas, etc.... You think your rights are being infringed down there? Try living in Ohio where this state is damn near divided in half polictically speaking. Talk about imposition. We have plenty! But we were also previous to Oct. 08' a stong state both agricultural, and industrial. Two of the largest salt mines under the great lakes. Coal mines, steel mills, endless manufacturing industries, limestone quarries, tourism, alternative energy plants, etc... I think other than maning an army, and being without a ocean port, Ohio could be self sufficient as well. But we are a state divided, as we are a nation divided.
Some of you southern boys seem to think that all of us folks up here have our noses in the air and couldn't give a damn what you people think of us. Well, we don't have our noses snubbed against you. We even envy you at times. The idea of being truely free isn't in the law of the land. It's in the hearts of the men who make them laws. When they don't have the heart for it anymore, or have never had it; it's time for them to be removed from their offices. Believe me, I hear you. We have the same bitches and moans as you do. We have representatives in Washington that are both conservative and liberal. We have corruption with our elected officials from the Feds, down to our local governments. Law enforcement scumbags as well. Unethical lawyers and judges. Parents who let their kids run like wild packs of dogs terrorizing, and vandalizing their neighborhoods. We have street gangs, and hate groups. We have drugs and restrictive gun laws. We are more alike than we are different. The whole North/South thing is well, .... like beating up you sister. You know you can do it, but should you? I sometimes feel like I'm being judged, or my character is being questioned; just because of living where I do. My feelings about recent issues aren't that different, or different at all to yours?
I just don't think secession is the answer. I think a clear message needs to be sent to each and every politician from coast to coast, and border to border. I've been a truck driver for over 14 years now. I've seen all kinds. Rich/poor, gluttoness/starving, friendly/unfriendly, patriot/traitor, conservative/liberal, heroes/criminals, etc.... I try to treat people the way I would like to be treated. With respect, honor, and dignity. I believe in fairplay, when the world around me isn't fair. My hands are to help. My heart to care. And my head to understand. We live in a dangerous and violent world. We tend to mind our own business, when we should have spoke up, and said "NO MORE". But we didn't, and we still don't. Why? Because, not everyone feels as passionate about a particular issue as someone else. Or the issue doesn't necessarily affect them personally. Life can be difficult. As it is for us now. But we need to stand together. Like minded individuals across the nation. Not just Texas, or other states. Because according the percentages, I wouldn't have any better chance at 50% here in Ohio, then you would at 16% in Texas of seceding, if it was to happen today. People just aren't willing to stick their necks out. You know what i mean? They're caught up in their own personal problems. Anyways, I just don't want you southern boys to think you've cornered the market on being angry with our government. Nor to I want you to stereotype me because of where my family lives. God bless.
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Here we go stereotyping people in the north again. ...... People just aren't willing to stick their necks out. You know what i mean? They're caught up in their own personal problems. Anyways, I just don't want you southern boys to think you've cornered the market on being angry with our government. Nor to I want you to stereotype me because of where my family lives. God bless.
I knew I should have expanded the description, but I had to get to something. I travel across the country and know there are great people everywhere, I should have expanded that thought which was there has been an erosion of economic production in those areas, which accompanies the unemployment we're seeing...in it's place we do see the banker's stuffing their pockets, the politicians making hay, and then the politician's faithful wealthy liberal rabble characterized as a poet.
Sorry to get you stirred up, that was my fault and not my intention. You seized upon and expanded to the thoughts I left out. My feelings, and I think yours are (as explained in another post) that this Napolitano-like fascist insanity is not polarizing states, it is polarizing people. Yes, we are alike.
The liberals revel in diversity...but focus on division to create the victim which enables their empowerment. They are, as should now be apparent to everyone, have either begun to believe their own BS or have been replaced by a generation that has believed the BS they were fed growing up.
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Rastus is right about the shift in industry, especially over the last 40 years or so, away from the northern states and into the WARMER states,partly this has been a result of rising energy costs, partly because due to their prior LACK of industry southern states offered business better deals and cheaper labor.
How ever as Coroner pointed out, this shift is irrelevant because the division in America is not based on regional concerns as it was in 1860 but is more of an Urban versus rural matter, take my area for example, only the southeastern third of the state is run by dems, but that area contains about 2/3 of the population. Ma is the same way, the eastern third of the state is a socialist hellhole that has imposed it's regime on the rest of state due to numbers and money, nearly all states can show a similar divide, in Maine the state is run by Augusta, Bangor, Portland and Lewiston, the remainder of the state has no effective representation in national affairs, (both Me. (R) Senators voted FOR the stimulus bill).
The hard reality is that half the population are sheep who will follow who ever yells the loudest or tells them what they want to hear. Of the remaining half 1/4 are intelligent, Patriotic, hard working people who want America to remain America, (That would be us gun clinging, right wing, religious nut, Veteran, terrorist extremists who can read and think) the other 1/4 are composed of those who are consciously trying to undermine the traditions America was founded on and a larger percentage who just don't know anything but want to be "cool" like the social elitists they admire. This "leftist" 1/4 of the population is, as in all other countries primarily drawn from the so called "intellectuals" these are people who's parents were financially secure (often inherited rather than earned) attended Prep schools and Ivy league collages where their lack of real world experience was exploited by Marxist oriented professors who also had no real world experience, but enjoy funding from anti American activists like George Soros through "front" organizations such as ACORN and the Joyce Foundation. These brain washed minions then infiltrate Politics, and the media to propagandize the masses into thinking they have all the answers, in spite of the fact that their "answers" have a consistent record of failure world wide. Look at Cuba as an example, Batista was cutting sugar cane at 10 years old, joined the Army and worked his way up to Dictator, He may not have been an ideal ruler, but under his administration Cuba had the highest standard of living in the Caribbean, It was the child of wealth Castro, and other privileged colledge socialists who reduced Cuba to it's current state of poverty where it's largest export is it's desperate population.
This well financed social elite is our true enemy, the ones we must defeat are those who who consider themselves "citizens of the world".
In order to due this we must have money and a voice, if they bribe a politician, we need to be able to bribe (or blackmail) 2, if they run a propaganda piece in the media such as the recent anti CCW show on 20/20 we need to run a dozen debunking and ridiculing it, when they lie like saying that 90% of Mexico's guns come from America we must expose it.
Do not be deluded into thinking that the alternative is secession and a civil war, it's not, the alternative would be 50 civil wars within the states like what occurred in Kansas in the 1860's
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Tom,
Are you some kind of genius or something? You my friend, have just hit the nail on the head! And you sir, are correct. However, I want this to be known as well. Not all ivy league, political wannabe, ass injected silverspooners, and liberal leftist (I'm gonna puke) are from the north. I'm sure you'll find that they come from the south, east, and west also. As you said, this isn't 1860 anymore.
Well wrote, well done. I knew there was a reason I enjoy your posts. Hey, you got any ideas on how to fund building a wall along our southern border? LOL!!!
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I knew I should have expanded the description, but I had to get to something. I travel across the country and know there are great people everywhere, I should have expanded that thought which was there has been an erosion of economic production in those areas, which accompanies the unemployment we're seeing...in it's place we do see the banker's stuffing their pockets, the politicians making hay, and then the politician's faithful wealthy liberal rabble characterized as a poet.
Sorry to get you stirred up, that was my fault and not my intention. You seized upon and expanded to the thoughts I left out. My feelings, and I think yours are (as explained in another post) that this Napolitano-like fascist insanity is not polarizing states, it is polarizing people. Yes, we are alike.
The liberals revel in diversity...but focus on division to create the victim which enables their empowerment. They are, as should now be apparent to everyone, have either begun to believe their own BS or have been replaced by a generation that has believed the BS they were fed growing up.
No harm done. I would just rather fight beside you, than against you brother. We're all in this together. M25 is entitled to his opinion. I do understand his feelings as being a secessionist by his own recognition as well. I just think we need to do it on national level. Not per state. Maybe the starting of a website that can be spammed to other forums would be an idea. However, we open ourselves up to the ivy league, political wannabe, ass injected silverspooners, leftist pukes to invade and defamate our cause. Soon the Feds will add us to a list of threats to homeland security, and call us vigilantes, extremists, or gun toting haters. There's got to be a way we could reach out to others around the country? But who would we be inviting? Maybe the same people I just listed. No clear cut idea on how. But in any event, I would like us to do it collectively, not separately. Thanks for being a human being Rastus! Appreciate it!
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Coroner, it's always been in my mind an across the nation grass roots, if you would, feeling of alienation. We're being marginalized by ridicule and demonized by rhetoric of leftists liberals who are using time proven fascist tools.
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Tom,
Are you some kind of genius or something? You my friend, have just hit the nail on the head! And you sir, are correct. However, I want this to be known as well. Not all ivy league, political wannabe, ass injected silverspooners, and liberal leftist (I'm gonna puke) are from the north. I'm sure you'll find that they come from the south, east, and west also. As you said, this isn't 1860 anymore.
Well wrote, well done. I knew there was a reason I enjoy your posts. Hey, you got any ideas on how to fund building a wall along our southern border? LOL!!!
Confiscated assets of deported illegal aliens ;D
Coroner, it's always been in my mind an across the nation grass roots, if you would, feeling of alienation. We're being marginalized by ridicule and demonized by rhetoric of leftists liberals and using time proven fascist tools.
Well said
No harm done. I would just rather fight beside you, than against you brother. We're all in this together. M25 is entitled to his opinion. I do understand his feelings as being a secessionist by his own recognition as well. I just think we need to do it on national level. Not per state. Maybe the starting of a website that can be spammed to other forums would be an idea. However, we open ourselves up to the ivy league, political wannabe, ass injected silverspooners, leftist pukes to invade and defamate our cause. Soon the Feds will add us to a list of threats to homeland security, and call us vigilantes, extremists, or gun toting haters. There's got to be a way we could reach out to others around the country? But who would we be inviting? Maybe the same people I just listed. No clear cut idea on how. But in any event, I would like us to do it collectively, not separately. Thanks for being a human being Rastus! Appreciate it!
They already do
You just did ;D
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tombogan: This well financed social elite is our true enemy, the ones we must defeat are those who who consider themselves "citizens of the world"
That's right the few, the proud, are jerking us around like rag dolls.