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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Sgt Z Squad on April 20, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
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I received this email today. I have been unable to confirm, would be nice to know why it took four days though:
Many thanks to **** for passing this along… it reportedly comes from a "very reliable source." In any event, I thought it worthwhile reading.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger.
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Obama's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account:
Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be not acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on-scene-commander decided he’d had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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I got this one also today. Quite frankly if it is true then I think we are in deeper dog dodo than I thought. I am hoping, hell I am praying, that its just some basement bob that put it together.
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Sounds plausible though. Sounds a lot more plausible than BO giving authority "Whack them fu&#ers".
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We don't call him Karter II for nothing, guys. Is anyone really surprised?
I would like independent verification - I do not want to be one of those who believes just because doggone it I want it to be true.
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We don't call him Karter II for nothing, guys. Is anyone really surprised?
I would like independent verification - I do not want to be one of those who believes just because doggone it I want it to be true.
You and me both brother!
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You and me both brother!
Yup. I remember under Klinton the Strategic Petroleum Reserve had been planning an exercise for about a year, with an actual oil sale. A few days before the sale there was something to "upset" the oil markets Komander Klinton received and, in fact, took the credit for something that had been on the boards for a year.
I have no reason to believe BHO....he's done nothing of note to confirm that he's become an honest man. He lied incessantly in the past and I have seen no revelation in him to think he's changed his spots. His mouth moving is enough to make me suspicious.
Napolitano...she's just ill upstairs. You can tell in her interviews she's not really hiding anything, she doesn't have that much going for her she's just, well, playing 1 fry short of a happy meal.
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How do you spell "cuckoo"? N-A-P-O-L-I-T-A-N-O
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Guys sorry I'm not buying this. I got an email it must be true? Please. Rember BHO was at once a Muslim AND a radical Afro-centic Christian? Or from the 200 presidential primary: John McCain had an illegitimate black daughter? He opposed breast cancer research even though his sister was dying of the disese? If this were a delicate stand off with say, Iran or North Korea, fine. But whacking a few Somali pirates? What's the down side? You can't say a man is a ruthless, mobbed up Chicago pol on the one hand, and then say he's too candy assed to pull the trigger on the other. Even if the captain had died most Americans would have agreed with the decision to greenlight these guys. Do you think BHO doesn't know this? He didn't get to the white house by not understanding the mood of the country. If you look at the photos of the life boat, its an enclosed plastic vessel with small windows, the opportunity to get all the bad guys and the hostage on deck were minimal. I'm not praising Obama here. I just think that he probably did what any president, or you or I would do, and say get our guy out, and let the militry handle it. I also think that the same BS NEWS ALERT email machine that we've seen in play already and discussed here on this board is at play. Remember those fake soldiers they manufactured to get our guys to disobey orders? Lets wait for the facts with confirmable sources. If we rely on the internet who knows what we're getting, hell Tom migh be Osama Bin Laden typing away from the undisclosed location recently vacated by Dick Cheney for all we know. ;D Lets wait for a story with actual sources.
FQ13
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Here is a sourced report.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=95451
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
How Obama actually delayed pirate rescue
SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement
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Posted: April 18, 2009
11:45 pm Eastern
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WorldNetDaily
Editor's note: The following is adapted from an exclusive report in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter edited by the founder of WND. You can access the full report by subscribing to G2 Bulletin for $99 a year or $9.95 per month for credit card users.
WASHINGTON – While Barack Obama is basking in praise for his "decisive" handling of the Somali pirate attack on a merchant ship in the India Ocean, reliable military sources close to the scene are painting a much different picture of the incident – accusing the president of employing restrictive rules of engagement that actually hampered the rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips and extended the drama at sea for days.
Multiple opportunities to free the captain of the Maersk Alabama from three young pirates were missed, these sources say – all because a Navy SEAL team was not immediately ordered to the scene and then forced to operate under strict, non-lethal rules of engagement.
They say the response duty office at the Pentagon was initially unwilling to grant an order to use lethal force to rescue Phillips. They also report the White House refused to authorize deployment of a Navy SEAL team to the location for 36 hours, despite the recommendation of the on-scene commander.
The White House also turned down two rescue plans offered up by the Seal commander on the scene and the captain of the USS Bainbridge.
The SEAL team operated under rules of engagement that required them to do nothing unless the hostage's life was in "imminent' danger.
(Story continues below)
In fact, when the USS Bainbridge dispatched a rigid-hull inflatable boat to bring supplies to the Maersk Alabama, it came under fire that could not be returned even though the SEAL team had the pirates in their sights.
Many hours before the fatal shots were fired, taking out the three young pirates, Phillips jumped into the Indian Ocean with the idea of giving the snipers a clear target. However, the SEAL team was still under orders not to shoot.
Hours later, frustrated by the missed opportunities to resolve the standoff, the commander of the Bainbridge and the captain of the Navy SEAL team determined they had operational authority to evaluate the risk to the hostage, and took out the pirates at the first opportunity – finally freeing Phillips.
The G2 Bulletin report was authored by Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WND, and a veteran newsman with extensive military sources developed over the last 30 years.
The full report is available now exclusively at Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
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Here is a sourced report.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=95451
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
How Obama actually delayed pirate rescue
SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement
Sorry, I don't consider World Nut Daily, most particularly its editor Farrah, a legitimate news source. Show me an article in the WSJ, NYT, The Economist, Wash. T., or Wash Post and I'll be all ready with tar and feathers but WND is up there with the The Weekly World News and The Huffington Post and The Keith Olberman Show, or the O'Reilly Factor as far as I'm concerned.
FQ13
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Here is a sourced report.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=95451
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
How Obama actually delayed pirate rescue
SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement
Thanks for the confirmation.
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All those "news" agencies that you quoted, FQ13, wouldn't dare write anything like this up. I am afraid we are afu with "legitimate" news sources these days.
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All those "news" agencies that you quoted, FQ13, wouldn't dare write anything like this up. I am afraid we are afu with "legitimate" news sources these days.
They wouln't DARE write this up? Do you not recall that it was the Washington Post that took down Nixon? The Wall Steet Journal, with lots of help from MSNBC's Chris Matthews (of all people), impeached Clinton.
FQ13
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Thanks for the confirmation.
I'm with you Sgt Z Squad.
I was wondering why nothing happened earlier during this encounter and suspected "foul play" at the highest levels. Especially after knowing they had taken the lifeboat with the pirates and hostage were in under tow. I guess you'd have to spend time on ships and boats to know what this meant for you....immediately I recognized they would be on the lee side of the boat. That does four things for you immediately as a sniper...1) it puts them in range 2) range is constant 3) the sea is calmed 4) wind direction doesn't change; all of which makes a sniper's life much easier.
When the hostage jumped in the water the first time...why did nothing happen? Two reasons in my mind, the snipers weren't set up or they weren't authorized to shoot. Oh, and before anyone comments on rough seas....conditions had deteriorated when the actual deed was done. If you think the hostage jumped off the boat too far away to be helped you're smokin' something....there's enough about the coolness of the captain to know he didn't panick and jump...bound...in the water too far away to be helped. Snipers weren't ready....I don't buy that either....I'm certain the U.S. Navy showed up prepared, we haven't had enough time for BHO to trash our military yet. Which in my mind leaves the weak link--BHO and his tax cheat ivy leaguers.
I'm certainly not going to believe the BHO cheer squad (NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN) would do publish this information if it was in their hands. They'll only report it when the news is out on the internet, and you can bet, in an apologetic manner as damage control.
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I think the Navy was ready to go, they just had to wait for someone to finish their pizza
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Sorry, I don't consider World Nut Daily, most particularly its editor Farrah, a legitimate news source. Show me an article in the WSJ, NYT, The Economist, Wash. T., or Wash Post and I'll be all ready with tar and feathers but WND is up there with the The Weekly World News and The Huffington Post and The Keith Olberman Show, or the O'Reilly Factor as far as I'm concerned.
FQ13
I found the original source at Strategy Page. A very good military think tank here in Austin.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/89-71456.aspx
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We don't call him Karter II for nothing, guys. Is anyone really surprised?
I would like independent verification - I do not want to be one of those who believes just because doggone it I want it to be true.
Same here BUT, I really DO want it to be true ;D