The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: shooter32 on April 21, 2009, 05:30:07 PM
-
Spike Tv. is running a series pitting warriors from different times in history from all parts of the world.
Anyone seen it?
-
No but I will. Thanks for the heads up.
My .02 cents is for the Vikings.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/wallpaper_viking_battle_for_asgard_.jpg)
Wanna know why the Roman Army's northern influence stopped in Britannia?
Those BIG damn crazy Vikings! Made the "little" Romans kinda like,,....this is North enough.... ::)
PLUS,
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/d242b44349.jpg)
8)
-
HERE'S what stopped the Romans!
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/vikingkitten1.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/Vikingboatkitties.jpg)
http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/viking_kittens.swf
-
Girls, the Romans were stopped in Britain by the Celts and the Picts. The Romans were about 400 years too early for the Vikings, Johnnie come latelys that they were.
Go Celts!!!
-
the specific timelines are the "gray area", the Vikings, with much bravado, raped and pillaged much of what is now Wales, Ireland and Scotland, Spain, France, and other areas they saw a chance.
http://viking.hgo.se/Timetable/Chrono.html
Than discovered a "island hopping" path to what is now Newfoundland, hundreds of years before "what history" mistaught us.
Thanks Haz. That was awesome.
-
TW, you forgot Russia too. Rus, land of the red-haired men, or Vikings. Made it all the way to Constantinople too, set up huge trade networks.
However, the Vikings - who did all you said - came well after the Romans, no gray area here. The Saxons and Angles came to Britain long before the Norsemen, right about the time the Romans left.
Harold Godwinson successfully repelled a Viking incursion led by Harold Hardrada just before trundling down to a little hamlet called Hastings, only to get his ass handed to him by William the Bastard. That was 1066AD - 600 years after the Roman candles were extinguished.
-
However, the Vikings - who did all you said - came well after the Romans, no gray area here.
I stand corrected, it was too damn cold up there anyway,...
I wonder what it was like to go through life with a name like William The Bastard..... ???
I also think Charlemagne came around before 1066AD, and kinda redirected Viking incursions in mainland Europe, or made what much later became known as a Mexican Standoff...
I'll have to pull some old books down off the shelf to refresh my brain, I really love history, but my "gray matter" is my biggest enemy sometimes.
Probably caused by Global Warming. :P
I would have thought Samurai or Archers from Genghis Khan would be thrown in.....How about the,......wait for it,.....
SPARTANS!
A Spartan does not ask how many of the enemy there are,...
But where they are..
"So much the better, we shall fight in the shade."
Dienekes, a Spartan soldier, was informed that Persian arrows blotted out the sun,
-
Charlemagne Was in 800 AD
-
No but I will. Thanks for the heads up.
My .02 cents is for the Vikings.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/wallpaper_viking_battle_for_asgard_.jpg)
Wanna know why the Roman Army's northern influence stopped in Britannia?
Those BIG damn crazy Vikings! Made the "little" Romans kinda like,,....this is North enough.... ::)
PLUS,
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/d242b44349.jpg)
8)
Vikings lost to the Samurai on the show. I think we'll need to find the website, because I don't know how they did the scoring, but it was something like a hundred and fifty points difference. One on one outcomes, maybe.
Edit - From the first show (last part):
http://www.youtube.com/v/l7S4vWjRtAk&hl=en&fs=1
From the second Viking v Samurai (link to last part):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo5e77B5FW8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo5e77B5FW8)
-
I watched the Apache/gladiator show and they had the Apache win. They have one on one 'fights'. They have experts demonstrate weapons of choice, they record force/damage/velocity/accuracy...data from the experts using the weapons, input to a program, run the numbers, and voila. I wanted to watch the viking/samurai one, but I don't have anything but over air TV. I was curious who would win and thought they would be more evenly matched, especially with the one on one aspect. Now with a war type scenario I think the samurai would win. The Japanese had/have a tendency to fight like ants, when skill is not the overwhelming decider.
-
It's kind of interesting, but what I really would like to know is who win between Massad Ayoob and Rob Pincus or Massad vs Col Cooper.
What they should do is some sort of tournemet style. It would be interesting to see the Apache vs the Ninja. Being a Dakotan Apache or Comanche vs the Lakota would be a big interest here.
-
I watched the Apache/gladiator show and they had the Apache win. They have one on one 'fights'. They have experts demonstrate weapons of choice, they record force/damage/velocity/accuracy...data from the experts using the weapons, input to a program, run the numbers, and voila. I wanted to watch the viking/samurai one, but I don't have anything but over air TV. I was curious who would win and thought they would be more evenly matched, especially with the one on one aspect. Now with a war type scenario I think the samurai would win. The Japanese had/have a tendency to fight like ants, when skill is not the overwhelming decider.
My son set the DVR so I did get to see the Apache/Gladiator show.. It was interesting to see the numbers after being run. The experts were as interesting, Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell was used to demonstrate some of the Gladiator's weapons.
-
I am still LMAO over this whole thing. This a high tech, big budget production of every junior high school debate we ever had. Spiderman vs. Batman? Cavemen or astronauts? Ginger or Maryanne? Rust bucket vs perfection (I mean Glock ;D). I wonder if they even bothered to game out the metrics of weapon capability etc or just had a beer (or six) and argued it out like we do? This show is the best thing to happen to TV since The Man Show and Drew Carry, pure, unadulterated Y chromsone bullshit, and proud of it. If only they could have gotten R. Lee Ermey to narrate it would be perfect.
FQ13
-
I am still LMAO over this whole thing. This a high tech, big budget production of every junior high school debate we ever had. Spiderman vs. Batman? Cavemen or astronauts? Ginger or Maryanne? Rust bucket vs perfection tupperware (I mean Glock ;D). I wonder if they even bothered to game out the metrics of weapon capability etc or just had a beer (or six) and argued it out like we do? This show is the best thing to happen to TV since The Man Show and Drew Carry, pure, unadulterated Y chromsone bullshit, and proud of it. If only they could have gotten R. Lee Ermey to narrate it would be perfect.
FQ13
Yes.
And fixed it for 'ya!
-
However, the Vikings - who did all you said - came well after the Romans, no gray area here.
I stand corrected, it was too damn cold up there anyway,...
I wonder what it was like to go through life with a name like William The Bastard..... ???
No big deal, I just happen to be a Roman and British history buff.
And you did not call William that name to his face. Not if you wanted to live anyhow. He preferred William the Conqueror actually.
-
In both battles one guy had the other on the run and the guy who was running away ended up winning.
-
Molon Labe: "Come and Get them!" A Response to Tyranny-- Go and tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here, obedient to their laws, we lie."
In the 5th century BC, mankind was still living the way he had been since the dawn of history. Existing in either scattered tribal villages or in kingdoms and empires ruled by god-kings. All except for one rocky corner of the Mediterranean world where a new idea had taken root: the concept of free citizens who owed allegiance to their nation and not a king. They were imperfect, true; women’s rights were, well, a non-concept and although racism was largely unknown, equal-opportunity slavery was widespread. Still and all, though, they enjoyed a measure of freedom unknown in the stagnant empires of the Nile, Yangtze, Indus, and Tigris-Euphrates river valleys. They were not subjects, they were the world’s prototypical citizens. Unfortunately, just across the Aegean Sea the largest empire in the known world was looking Westward with greedy eyes. When word reached them that Emperor Xerxes of Persia was crossing the Dardanelles with an army of as many as 250,000 men, prospects for their continued freedom looked grim indeed. It would take time for the scattered city-states to raise their armies of citizen-soldiers, so those that could sent what contingents were available to serve in a ‘Multinational Field Force’ commanded by one of the two elected kings of Sparta, Leonidas. With its backbone provided by Leonidas’ bodyguard of 300 Spartan soldiers, the force numbered some 4,000. Leonidas positioned this group at the ‘Hot Gates’; Thermopylae, a narrow place on the coast road from the north, to hold back the Persian advance and buy time for the rest of the city-states to issue the call to arms. Manning a hastily-constructed wall across the narrow strip between mountains and sea, it was not long before the Greeks faced the massive Persian host assembled on the thin strip of coast ahead of them. When the defenders were not impressed into surrender by the sight of his army, Xerxes sent forth a herald offering simple terms “Lay down your weapons, and you will be allowed to live. Leonidas responded with the only answer a free citizen can give to that question: Molon Labe; ancient Greek for "Come and get them." To the brave men in that narrow pass so long ago, freedom was more important than anything; even their lives. May we ever remember that fact should we be issued the same degrading terms."
-
Molon Labe: "Come and Get them!" A Response to Tyranny-- Go and tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here, obedient to their laws, we lie."
In the 5th century BC, mankind was still living the way he had been since the dawn of history. Existing in either scattered tribal villages or in kingdoms and empires ruled by god-kings. All except for one rocky corner of the Mediterranean world where a new idea had taken root: the concept of free citizens who owed allegiance to their nation and not a king. They were imperfect, true; women’s rights were, well, a non-concept and although racism was largely unknown, equal-opportunity slavery was widespread. Still and all, though, they enjoyed a measure of freedom unknown in the stagnant empires of the Nile, Yangtze, Indus, and Tigris-Euphrates river valleys. They were not subjects, they were the world’s prototypical citizens. Unfortunately, just across the Aegean Sea the largest empire in the known world was looking Westward with greedy eyes. When word reached them that Emperor Xerxes of Persia was crossing the Dardanelles with an army of as many as 250,000 men, prospects for their continued freedom looked grim indeed. It would take time for the scattered city-states to raise their armies of citizen-soldiers, so those that could sent what contingents were available to serve in a ‘Multinational Field Force’ commanded by one of the two elected kings of Sparta, Leonidas. With its backbone provided by Leonidas’ bodyguard of 300 Spartan soldiers, the force numbered some 4,000. Leonidas positioned this group at the ‘Hot Gates’; Thermopylae, a narrow place on the coast road from the north, to hold back the Persian advance and buy time for the rest of the city-states to issue the call to arms. Manning a hastily-constructed wall across the narrow strip between mountains and sea, it was not long before the Greeks faced the massive Persian host assembled on the thin strip of coast ahead of them. When the defenders were not impressed into surrender by the sight of his army, Xerxes sent forth a herald offering simple terms “Lay down your weapons, and you will be allowed to live. Leonidas responded with the only answer a free citizen can give to that question: Molon Labe; ancient Greek for "Come and get them." To the brave men in that narrow pass so long ago, freedom was more important than anything; even their lives. May we ever remember that fact should we be issued the same degrading terms."
We should also remember how it ended, The Greeks held until a local farmer showed the Persians a goat track through the hills that allowed them to get behind Leonidas, who died with his men covering the retreat of the rest of the Greek force.
-
Traitor in the midst,....
But a story of stories regarding warriors.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/chesty.jpg)
-
Traitor in the midst,....
But a story of stories regarding warriors.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/chesty.jpg)
Yes, they went back to back and fought to the death.
-
Makes me wonder where the US Marines get their motivation that goes back generations to ancient warriors. I think the I found the answer.
Now I know,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTXlWYdodnc&feature=related
-
In the vein of the T.V. show and this thread: I wonder what would have happened if Napoleon had tactical nuclear weapons when he fought Wellington at Waterloo......
-
In the vein of the T.V. show and this thread: I wonder what would have happened if Napoleon had tactical nuclear weapons when he fought Wellington at Waterloo......
We probably would be denied the pleasure of Beef Wellington.
-
I saw this program and thought it was very interesting. Historically, the Samurai may have not had the most impressive armory or weaponry, but their skill was nonparei. If you are interested in such things as same dogma and philosophy, I highly recommend the book "Hagakure". It is a short read and very interesting...
-
We probably would be denied the pleasure of Beef Wellington.
...or it would have been quite over-done.... ;D
-
We probably would be denied the pleasure of Beef Wellington.
...or it would have been quite over-done.... ;D
Nicely done!!! ;D ;D
-
I saw this program and thought it was very interesting. Historically, the Samurai may have not had the most impressive armory or weaponry, but their skill was nonparei. If you are interested in such things as same dogma and philosophy, I highly recommend the book "Hagakure". It is a short read and very interesting...
But the book was written by a guy who was, arguably, not a fighting samurai, so some of the philosophy may be suspect. To be sure I like the book and find the passages to be informative and have a stoic attitude, though with a Japanese slant.
-
My vote is for a Trident crew.