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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: CurrieS103 on April 21, 2009, 06:50:12 PM
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Time to lay in on Congress,
Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms
A proposed bill that would give the president widespread power to shut down the Internet in the event of a cyberattack could have sweeping implications on civil liberties.
By James Osborne
FOXNews.com
The days of an open, largely unregulated Internet may soon come to an end.
A bill making its way through Congress proposes to give the U.S. government authority over all networks considered part of the nation's critical infrastructure. Under the proposed Cybersecurity Act of 2009, the president would have the authority to shut down Internet traffic to protect national security.
The government also would have access to digital data from a vast array of industries including banking, telecommunications and energy. A second bill, meanwhile, would create a national cybersecurity adviser -- commonly referred to as the cybersecurity czar -- within the White House to coordinate strategy with a wide range of federal agencies involved.
The need for greater cybersecurity is obvious:
-- Canadian researchers recently discovered that computers in 103 countries, including those in facilities such as embassies and news media offices, were infected with software designed to steal network data.
-- A Seattle security analyst warned last month that the advancement of digital communication within the electrical grid, as promoted under President Obama's stimulus plan, would leave the nation's electrical supply dangerously vulnerable to hackers.
-- And on Tuesday the Wall Street Journal reported that computer spies had broken into the Pentagon's $300 billion Joint Strike Fighter project and had breached the Air Force's air-traffic-control system.
Nonetheless, the proposal to give the U.S. government the authority to regulate the Internet is sounding alarms among critics who say it's another case of big government getting bigger and more intrusive.
Silicon Valley executives are calling the bill vague and overly intrusive, and they are rebelling at the thought of increased and costly government regulations amid the global economic crisis.
Others are concerned about the potential erosion of civil liberties. "I'm scared of it," said Lee Tien, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based group.
"It's really broad, and there are plenty of laws right now designed to prevent the government getting access to that kind of data. It's the same stuff we've been fighting on the warrantless wiretapping."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W. Va, who introduced the bill earlier this month with bipartisan support, is casting the legislation as critical to protecting everything from our water and electricity to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records.
"I know the threats we face." Rockefeller said in a prepared statement when the legislation was introduced. "Our enemies are real. They are sophisticated, they are determined and they will not rest."
The bill would allow the government to create a detailed set of standards for cybersecurity, as well as take over the process of certifying IT technicians. But many in the technology sector say the government is simply ill-equipped to get involved at the technical level, said Franck Journoud, a policy analyst with the Business Software Alliance.
"Simply put, who has the expertise?" he said. "It's the industry, not the government. We have a responsibility to increase and improve security. That responsibility cannot be captured in a government standard."
A spokeswoman from Rockefeller's office said neither he nor the two senators who co-sponsored the bill, Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Bill Nelson, D-Fla., will answer questions on cybersecurity until a later date.
Obama, meanwhile, is considering his own strategy on cybersecurity. On Friday, the White House completed a lengthy review of the nation's computer networks and their vulnerability to attack. An announcement is expected as early as this week.
"I kind of view [the Rockefeller bill] as an opening shot," said Tien. "The concept is cybersecurity. There's this 60-day review underway, and some people wanted to get in there and make their mark on the White House policy development."
IT leaders hope the president will consider their argument that their business is not only incredibly complex and static, but that it also spreads over the entire globe.
If the United States was to set its own standard for cybersecurity, they say, it would create a host of logistical challenges for technology companies, virtually all of which operate internationally.
"Any standards have to be set at an international level and be industry led," said Dale Curtis, a spokesman for the Business Software Alliance. "This industry moves so fast, and government just doesn't move that fast."
Many Silicon Valley executives remain hopeful that the White House's recommendations will be more industry-friendly, following what Journoud said was a good dialogue with former Bush administration official Melissa Hathaway, who is leading the White House review and is considered a likely candidate for cybersecurity czar.
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So they can shut down the extremest gun boards and access our finacial and medical data under the guise of national security?
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the president would have the authority to shut down Internet traffic to protect national security.
The bill would allow the government to create a detailed set of standards for cybersecurity, as well as take over the process of certifying IT technicians.
A spokeswoman from Rockefeller's office said neither he nor the two senators who co-sponsored the bill, Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Bill Nelson, D-Fla., will answer questions on cybersecurity until a later date.
Soon he'll just declare himself Pres for life "for the good of the country"!
This 'administration' getting scarier by the monment!
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So they can shut down the extremest gun boards and access our finacial and medical data under the guise of national security?
BULLSEYE!
Not only the gunboards, but any type of political dissent that would threaten "National Security", which is a very broad definition.
Any type of web content that threatened the "stability" of the nation could be under one mans control
Moving daily closer to a Fascist Dictatorship.
Am I the only frog in this pot that thinks the water is about to boil?
Scary stuff indeed Haz
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welcome to what they want to do here.
Chairman Krudd wants to filter all of the internet here. ( just like China )
there is to be a ban list of web sites.
now here is the good bit
the list will be secret, we are not to know what is on the list.
if you link a banned web site you can get fined up to 12K a day for publishing it or the list
if a web page ( like a you tube link) gets on the list
there is no way of getting it removed
it is controlled by the government buractats so what if they don't like something there is no way to appeal it
also it will cost us a shit load of $$$ to set up and it then slow what is all ready slow internet speed we have here
YAY
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Find someone with their HAM, or shortwave radio FCC endorsement. Preferably a neighbor or a friend. Home generator, etc,..
Those guys with the Amateur Radio tags, or if your by the coast, SSB, or VHF marine freq. I'm taking a sailboat with a generator.
burns less than a gallon of diesel per hour for electronics and comm. I also will have something for any "pirates". ;)
Cyber attack, is possible, at a nationwide level. The EMP is the Armageddon of attacks at this level.
BUT, this is just BS, lets see how the sheeple stand up when the "First Amend." is "regulated" to the masses.
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BUT, this is just BS, lets see how the sheeple stand up when the "First Amend." is "regulated" to the masses.
or just watch them bend over and take it.
because BHO said it was for the grater good ::)
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For those that get American Handgunner, current edition, read the Speak Out section called Internet Loophole by Andy Weaver.
It is a play on the Internet Access and firearms available to the masses and potential for mass crime and victims.
How it should be regulated and licensed to the masses, just like firearms, and due to the potential destructive power of the Internet, parts should be banned its a great read.
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Find someone with their HAM, or shortwave radio FCC endorsement. Preferably a neighbor or a friend. Home generator, etc,..
Those guys with the Amateur Radio tags, or if your by the coast, SSB, or VHF marine freq. I'm taking a sailboat with a generator.
burns less than a gallon of diesel per hour for electronics and comm. I also will have something for any "pirates". ;)
Cyber attack, is possible, at a nationwide level. The EMP is the Armageddon of attacks at this level.
BUT, this is just BS, lets see how the sheeple stand up when the "First Amend." is "regulated" to the masses.
TW,
Will ya pick us up? My GF is a GOOD sailor (10 years on a 35 ft sail boat) and I can man the guns (and mix drinks) while HazJr cleans the decks.
;D
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TW,
Will ya pick us up? My GF is a GOOD sailor (10 years on a 35 ft sail boat) and I can man the guns (and mix drinks) while HazJr cleans the decks.
;D
I'll come around the Horn of the Keys Haz, hug the coast to Anna Maria Point or Treasure Island (like the name), just south of Redington Shores.
P.S. I'm not kidding,....
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I'll come around the Horn of the Keys Haz, hug the coast to Anna Maria Point or Treasure Island (like the name), just south of Redington Shores.
P.S. I'm not kidding,....
Got it!
and I ain't kiddin' either.
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twyacht,
You think you could swing by Lake Michigan while you are at it? I think you're going to need a bigger boat. My cat can keep Haz's cats company.
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CLICK!!!!!!
Swing up the Red River too, just me and 2 dogs, maybe the boy too
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TW,
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/Jaws_image.jpg)
"We're gonna need a bigger boat!" ;D
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Under the proposed Cybersecurity Act of 2009, the president would have the authority to shut down Internet traffic to protect national security.
The government also would have access to digital data from a vast array of industries including banking, telecommunications and energy. A second bill, meanwhile, would create a national cybersecurity adviser -- commonly referred to as the cybersecurity czar -- within the White House to coordinate strategy with a wide range of federal agencies involved.
OMG!
This is the most disturbing thing I have ever read that was not fiction! Once again, the MSN is silent adding to their complicity trying to squelch alternative media. It is Obama trying to control speech and thought. Take away the guns and then take away speech.
These are plays made by totalitarian regimes! Is history being repeated?
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or just watch them bend over and take it.
because BHO said it was for the grater good ::)
BOHICA! (Bend Over Here It Comes Again!)
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BOHICA! (Bend Over Here It Comes Again!)
BOHICA! How do you pronounce that? (Other than f*****)
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BOHICA! How do you pronounce that? (Other than f*****)
(Bo-Hee-Ka)
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TW,
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Fun%20Stuff/Jaws_image.jpg)
"We're gonna need a bigger boat!" ;D
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/phpThumbphp.jpg)
No Problem...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Lg_panorama_3.jpg)
almost 180 feet.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Lg_panorama_4A.jpg)
Just put in two A/Sea 75kw (each) converters, in combo with a seamless transfer 165kw Kohler gensets (yes 2) plus an aux.
Crew has a gun safe, fully provisioned,...
They love the work I do, and are available if the SHTF.
still not kidding,....
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That thing will never fit the creek behind my place..........even when the water's high. :'(
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She's a beauty, TW! Nice lines.
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Although not a "blow boat fan", (I prefer throttles), the M/Y Starfire is my current project in Riviera Beach. Lots of steady work before leaving for the Azores, than the Med.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/exterior_2_lg-1.jpg)
She's 52meters and a Benetti. Euro stuff but a good ride.
If BHO shuts down the Internet, people will still be able to "reach out and touch someone", believe me, the communication systems on these yachts are no joke.
Some dedicated lines are over $1400 a minute for data transfers, or $200 per MB. Songs, Youtube, Music, it's unreal,,, these folks are recession proof, and not even BHO will stop it.
Just my .02 cents, cause I'm just the hired help.... ::)
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(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/phpThumbphp.jpg)
No Problem...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Lg_panorama_3.jpg)
almost 180 feet.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Lg_panorama_4A.jpg)
Just put in two A/Sea 75kw (each) converters, in combo with a seamless transfer 165kw Kohler gensets (yes 2) plus an aux.
Crew has a gun safe, fully provisioned,...
They love the work I do, and are available if the SHTF.
still not kidding,....
SWEET !
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Sounds to me like the 21st Century version of the book burning that was practiced in German in the late 1930's and the 1940's.
This stuff scares the crap out of me on MANY levels.
1) My medical information, banking information, etc, is none of the gummint's business!!
2) Based upon what this administration has shown me in 3 short months, I do NOT want them in charge of what I'm "allowed" to see or read.
3) Did anybody else read "1984" or "Animal Farm"?
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1984. Yes, I know >:(
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these folks are recession proof, and not even BHO will stop it.
These are the type of people that bHo will do his best to stop.
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these folks are recession proof, and not even BHO will stop it.
These are the type of people that bHo will do his best to stop.
To the OP, there is an exception, I spoke with the Chief Engineer on Starfire today, the SatCom Datalink is international. That means they can be anywhere in the world and capture satellite feeds from France, England, and a host of other countries that are separate from the United States ISP's.
If they want internet, phone, SSB, AIS, No Problem.
BHO better think OUTSIDE the box, these guys don;t play.