The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: 1776 Rebel on April 27, 2009, 08:51:54 AM
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I figure that every shooting that CAN be used by the anti's as evidence in their case againist guns WILL ! So this one fits the whole "right wing terrorist, militia, solider, gun nut, wife beater etc." bill....note some of the key sentences in the article....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_re_us/us_deputies_shooting
Soldier subdued by stun gun shoots 2 Fla. deputies
By MELISSA NELSON, Associated Press Writer Melissa Nelson, Associated Press Writer
1 hr 22 mins ago
NICEVILLE, Fla. – Two deputies from a troubled sheriff's office in Florida had no warning a confrontation with a National Guard soldier accused of beating his wife would turn deadly, the sheriff said.
Deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York used a stun gun to subdue Joshua Cartwright, but he was able to start shooting at them from the ground. Both Lopez and York died.
"Within seconds he sat up and began firing a weapon that came out of nowhere, it was somewhere on his body we assume," Okaloosa County's Interim Sheriff Ed Spooner told more than 300 sheriff's office employees who gathered Sunday night to pray and hear an explanation of the shootings.
Cartwright was killed in a shootout at a roadblock after a car chase into a neighboring county. The deputies had gone to a shooting range to arrest him after his wife sought treatment for domestic abuse injures at an area hospital.
Spooner said the deputies had no information to make them think Cartwright would turn his weapons on them.
"This went from zero to 100 in a matter of minutes. In three minutes it turned from a passive discussion to a shooting, it was one heck of a mess," the sheriff said.
Spooner was appointed to take over the department in Florida's panhandle by Gov. Charlie Crist just eight weeks ago after the previous sheriff was arrested by FBI agents on corruption charges.
Both Lopez and York had retired from careers with the Air Force at nearby Eglin Air Force Base when they joined the department.
Capt. J.D. Peacock said Lopez, a father of five, was especially good at defusing tense situations such as domestic abuse calls.
"He was the person you would want in a confrontation because he calmed people down," he said.
Spooner said Lopez and York stopped Cartwright near his truck as he left the shooting range and tried to arrest him.
Both deputies were shot in areas not protected by their bulletproof vests, Spooner said.
In the chase that followed, Cartwright's truck flipped on its side after spikes at a roadblock punctured the tires. The soldier came out shooting, Spooner said.
Investigators say Cartwright and deputies at the roadblock exchanged about 60 rounds in 30 to 40 seconds before he was killed.
Investigators said Cartwright was not a war veteran, but Spooner said the Florida National Guard soldier was interested in militia movements and weapons training.
In November, authorities arrested him for domestic battery, and that charge was pending.
Neighbor Aaron Walp worked as a bartender at a Fort Walton Beach bar where Cartwright was a bouncer two years ago. He said Cartwright's brooding ways made fellow employees uncomfortable, and he carried a flashlight with a sharp attachment that he threatened to use on customers who got out of line.
"He had a violent side," Walp said.
Destiny Harder, who lived next door to the Cartwrights at the Fort Walton Beach apartment complex, said she was often disturbed by their loud arguments and had banged on the wall between the two apartments Saturday morning after she was awakened by their fighting.
Meanwhile, the sheriff's office was trying to come to terms with the deaths, the second and third there in less than a year. Deputy Anthony Forgione died in July after he was shot by a suicidal man who had barricaded himself in a home.
In another blow, Sheriff Charles Morris was arrested in February by FBI agents while on a gambling trip to Las Vegas. He and his former office manager, Teresa Adams, were indicted by a federal grand jury on Thursday on theft, money laundering and conspiracy charges.
Larry Carter, the department's senior chaplain, said employees had been preparing a May memorial service for Forgione and trying to put Morris' arrest behind them.
"All the things that keep happening, it's like a scab that keeps getting peeled back over and over," he said.
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This all started in a town called NICEVILLE?
Your correct. This will be exploited in some way to add credibility and get the "see we told you so" people to come out.
Sad.
Investigators said Cartwright was not a war veteran, but Spooner said the Florida National Guard soldier was interested in militia movements and weapons training.
In November, authorities arrested him for domestic battery, and that charge was pending.
A Nov. arrest? still pending?
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This all started in a town called NICEVILLE?
Your correct. This will be exploited in some way to add credibility and get the "see we told you so" people to come out.
Sad.
Investigators said Cartwright was not a war veteran, but Spooner said the Florida National Guard soldier was interested in militia movements and weapons training.
In November, authorities arrested him for domestic battery, and that charge was pending.
A Nov. arrest? still pending?
Niceville, a town where not ten years ago a black member of the Florida legistaure was told he needed to sit in the "colored" section of a restaraunt. (only in Florida) Unfortuneately, with budget cuts, busy court dockets etc, the passage of several months for a first time misdeamenor arrest taking several months to hit trial is all too common. Yet another example of why this is a bad idea.
FQ13
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Why did they "stun" him in the first place ? Why did he still have guns with a domestic violence charge pending ?
More here than what is reported.
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I think I would have waited till he left the range ???
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I just love the unbiased journalism. They describe him as a National Guard Soldier, was he in his uniform when this happened???
One of the LEO's was shot inside the guy's car, what was he doing there???
Why was he tasered? Then he gets up and draws down and shoots the Po Po's dead when they were wearing vests? He must have been some kind of superman.
Wonder what the wife's story is, and if she was even hurt. Domestic problems always end up with the husband as a complete monster and danger to society and the wife totally innocent.
All this from a PD with a sterling reputation ::)
Yep, he was a soldier,militia man, gun owner and wife beater, just what the media wants.
Wonder if we will ever get the real story.
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I think I would have waited till he left the range ???
No shit!! Let's go to where we KNOW this guy will be armed, and arrest him there!! Who was the brain surgeon that came up with THAT tactic?!?
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Given the corruption in the PD, I am willing to guess that training might have taken a back seat to other matters.
And TW, why is a complaint of domestic abuse cause for taking away private property? I know it's the law in some states, but it ain't right, and as others noted, it is rather frequently abused. The CDC under the klintoons found that the abuse was almost 50-50 women on men (47%) vs. men on women (53%).
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I just love the unbiased journalism. They describe him as a National Guard Soldier, was he in his uniform when this happened???
One of the LEO's was shot inside the guy's car, what was he doing there???
Why was he tasered? Then he gets up and draws down and shoots the Po Po's dead when they were wearing vests? He must have been some kind of superman.
Wonder what the wife's story is, and if she was even hurt. Domestic problems always end up with the husband as a complete monster and danger to society and the wife totally innocent.
All this from a PD with a sterling reputation ::)
Yep, he was a soldier,militia man, gun owner and wife beater, just what the media wants.
Wonder if we will ever get the real story.
The story does seem to have a lot of holes and unanswered questions. I'm sure MELISSA NELSON, who wrote the story, is so happy that she was able to "prove" beyond a shadow of a doubt that DHS was absolutely correct in their slanted threat assessment.
Just think we need 1500 more situations like this to equal actual terrorist... err man-made tragedy facilitators like our islamo-fascists ... ahhh Asian religious zealots. Plus they need to do it all in one day, at the same time.
Just an aside: El-Al hasn't been hijacked etc. because they look for bad guys without worrying about "profiling".
We live in a Free Society (at least we used to). This is the cost of a free society. It's the whole, Spiderman-with-great-power-comes-great-responsibility speech.
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I think I would have waited till he left the range ???
Here, here.
Capt. J.D. Peacock said Lopez, a father of five, was especially good at defusing tense situations such as domestic abuse calls.
Not this time and he probably went into this situation with that mindset. Missed some key danger signals, the first being gun range. They also forgot the first rule, treat everyone as you would want to be treated, but have a plan to kill them.