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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: rojawe on April 27, 2009, 05:41:22 PM
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ITEM #1 Please write your Senators and Representatives urging them to vote NO on this horrible bill! S. 843 Gun Show Background Check Act of 2009 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas Title: A bill to establish background check procedures for gun shows.
Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] (introduced 4/21/2009) Cosponsors (11)
Latest Major Action: 4/21/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. ALL ACTIONS:
4/21/2009:
Sponsor introductory remarks on measure. (CR S4519-4520)
4/21/2009:
Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
COSPONSORS(11)
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] - 4/21/2009
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] - 4/21/2009
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 4/21/2009
Sen Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY] - 4/21/2009
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 4/21/2009
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 4/21/2009
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 4/21/2009
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] - 4/21/2009
Sen Reed, Jack [RI] - 4/21/2009
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 4/21/2009
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] - 4/21/2009 FULL TEXT OF BILL:
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 843
To establish background check procedures for gun shows.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
April 21, 2009
Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mr. REED, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. KERRY, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. LEVIN, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. CARDIN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, and Mr. MENENDEZ) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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A BILL
To establish background check procedures for gun shows.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Gun Show Background Check Act of 2009'.
SEC. 2. GUN SHOW BACKGROUND CHECK.
(a) Findings- Congress finds that--
(1) approximately 5,200 traditional gun shows are held annually across the United States, attracting thousands of attendees per show and hundreds of Federal firearms licensees and nonlicensed firearms sellers;
(2) traditional gun shows, as well as flea markets and other organized events, at which a large number of firearms are offered for sale by Federal firearms licensees and nonlicensed firearms sellers, form a significant part of the national firearms market;
(3) firearms and ammunition that are exhibited or offered for sale or exchange at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events move easily in and substantially affect interstate commerce;
(4) in fact, even before a firearm is exhibited or offered for sale or exchange at a gun show, flea market, or other organized event, the gun, its component parts, ammunition, and the raw materials from which it is manufactured have moved in interstate commerce;
(5) gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events at which firearms are exhibited or offered for sale or exchange, provide a convenient and centralized commercial location at which firearms may be bought and sold anonymously, often without background checks and without records that enable gun tracing;
(6) at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events at which guns are exhibited or offered for sale or exchange, criminals and other prohibited persons obtain guns without background checks and frequently use guns that cannot be traced to later commit crimes;
(7) since the enactment of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Public Law 103-59; 107 Stat. 1536) in 1993, over 100,000,000 background checks have been performed by Federal firearms licensees, denying guns to more than 1,600,000 illegal buyers;
(8) many persons who buy and sell firearms at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events cross State lines to attend these events and engage in the interstate transportation of firearms obtained at these events;
(9) gun violence is a pervasive, national problem that is exacerbated by the availability of guns at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events;
(10) firearms associated with gun shows have been transferred illegally to residents of another State by Federal firearms licensees and nonlicensed firearms sellers, and have been involved in subsequent crimes including drug offenses, crimes of violence, property crimes, and illegal possession of firearms by felons and other prohibited persons; and
(11) Congress has the power, under the interstate commerce clause and other provisions of the Constitution of the United States, to ensure, by enactment of this Act, that criminals and other prohibited persons do not obtain firearms at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events.
(b) Definitions- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(36) GUN SHOW- The term `gun show' means any event--
`(A) at which 50 or more firearms are offered or exhibited for sale, transfer, or exchange, if 1 or more of the firearms has been shipped or transported in, or otherwise affects, interstate or foreign commerce; and
`(B) at which--
`(i) not fewer than 20 percent of the exhibitors are firearm exhibitors;
`(ii) there are not fewer than 10 firearm exhibitors; or
`(iii) 50 or more firearms are offered for sale, transfer, or exchange.
`(37) GUN SHOW PROMOTER- The term `gun show promoter' means any person who organizes, plans, promotes, or operates a gun show.
`(38) GUN SHOW VENDOR- The term `gun show vendor' means any person who exhibits, sells, offers for sale, transfers, or exchanges 1 or more firearms at a gun show, regardless of whether or not the person arranges with the gun show promoter for a fixed location from which to exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange 1 or more firearms.'.
(c) Regulation of Firearms Transfers at Gun Shows-
(1) IN GENERAL- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 932. Regulation of firearms transfers at gun shows
`(a) Registration of Gun Show Promoters- It shall be unlawful for any person to organize, plan, promote, or operate a gun show unless that person--
`(1) registers with the Attorney General in accordance with regulations promulgated by the Attorney General; and
`(2) pays a registration fee, in an amount determined by the Attorney General.
`(b) Responsibilities of Gun Show Promoters- It shall be unlawful for any person to organize, plan, promote, or operate a gun show unless that person--
`(1) before commencement of the gun show, verifies the identity of each gun show vendor participating in the gun show by examining a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(3)) of the vendor containing a photograph of the vendor;
`(2) before commencement of the gun show, requires each gun show vendor to sign--
`(A) a ledger with identifying information concerning the vendor; and
`(B) a notice advising the vendor of the obligations of the vendor under this chapter;
`(3) notifies each person who attends the gun show of the requirements of this chapter, in accordance with such regulations as the Attorney General shall prescribe; and
`(4) maintains a copy of the records described in paragraphs (1) and (2) at the permanent place of business of the gun show promoter for such period of time and in such form as the Attorney General shall require by regulation.
`(c) Responsibilities of Transferors Other Than Licensees-
`(1) IN GENERAL- If any part of a firearm transaction takes place at a gun show, it shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to transfer a firearm to another person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless the firearm is transferred through a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (e).
`(2) CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS- A person who is subject to the requirement of paragraph (1)--
`(A) shall not transfer the firearm to the transferee until the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer through which the transfer is made under subsection (e) makes the notification described in subsection (e)(3)(A); and
`(B) notwithstanding subparagraph (A), shall not transfer the firearm to the transferee if the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer through which the transfer is made under subsection (e) makes the notification described in subsection (e)(3)(B).
`(3) ABSENCE OF RECORDKEEPING REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this section shall permit or authorize the Attorney General to impose recordkeeping requirements on any nonlicensed vendor.
`(d) Responsibilities of Transferees Other Than Licensees-
`(1) IN GENERAL- If any part of a firearm transaction takes place at a gun show, it shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to receive a firearm from another person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless the firearm is transferred through a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (e).
`(2) CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS- A person who is subject to the requirement of paragraph (1)--
`(A) shall not receive the firearm from the transferor until the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer through which the transfer is made under subsection (e) makes the notification described in subsection (e)(3)(A); and
`(B) notwithstanding subparagraph (A), shall not receive the firearm from the transferor if the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer through which the transfer is made under subsection (e) makes the notification described in subsection (e)(3)(B).
`(e) Responsibilities of Licensees- A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer who agrees to assist a person who is not licensed under this chapter in carrying out the responsibilities of that person under subsection (c) or (d) with respect to the transfer of a firearm shall--
`(1) enter such information about the firearm as the Attorney General may require by regulation into a separate bound record;
`(2) record the transfer on a form specified by the Attorney General;
`(3) comply with section 922(t) as if transferring the firearm from the inventory of the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to the designated transferee (although a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer complying with this subsection shall not be required to comply again with the requirements of section 922(t) in delivering the firearm to the nonlicensed transferor), and notify the nonlicensed transferor and the nonlicensed transferee--
`(A) of such compliance; and
`(B) if the transfer is subject to the requirements of section 922(t)(1), of any receipt by the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer of a notification from the national instant criminal background check system that the transfer would violate section 922 or would violate State law;
`(4) not later than 10 days after the date on which the transfer occurs, submit to the Attorney General a report of the transfer, which report--
`(A) shall be on a form specified by the Attorney General by regulation; and
`(B) shall not include the name of or other identifying information relating to any person involved in the transfer who is not licensed under this chapter;
`(5) if the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer assists a person other than a licensee in transferring, at 1 time or during any 5 consecutive business days, 2 or more pistols or revolvers, or any combination of pistols and revolvers totaling 2 or more, to the same nonlicensed person, in addition to the reports required under paragraph (4), prepare a report of the multiple transfers, which report shall be--
`(A) prepared on a form specified by the Attorney General; and
`(B) not later than the close of business on the date on which the transfer occurs, forwarded to--
`(i) the office specified on the form described in subparagraph (A); and
`(ii) the appropriate State law enforcement agency of the jurisdiction in which the transfer occurs; and
`(6) retain a record of the transfer as part of the permanent business records of the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer.
`(f) Records of Licensee Transfers- If any part of a firearm transaction takes place at a gun show, each licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, and licensed dealer who transfers 1 or more firearms to a person who is not licensed under this chapter shall, not later than 10 days after the date on which the transfer occurs, submit to the Attorney General a report of the transfer, which report--
`(1) shall be in a form specified by the Attorney General by regulation;
`(2) shall not include the name of or other identifying information relating to the transferee; and
`(3) shall not duplicate information provided in any report required under subsection (e)(4).
`(g) Firearm Transaction Defined- In this section, the term `firearm transaction'--
`(1) includes the offer for sale, sale, transfer, or exchange of a firearm; and
`(2) does not include the mere exhibition of a firearm.'.
(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(8)(A) Whoever knowingly violates section 932(a) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
`(B) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (b) or (c) of section 932, shall be--
`(i) fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both; and
`(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
`(C) Whoever willfully violates section 932(d), shall be--
`(i) fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both; and
`(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
`(D) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (e) or (f) of section 932 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
`(E) In addition to any other penalties imposed under this paragraph, the Attorney General may, with respect to any person who knowingly violates any provision of section 932--
`(i) if the person is registered pursuant to section 932(a), after notice and opportunity for a hearing, suspend for not more than 6 months or revoke the registration of that person under section 932(a); and
`(ii) impose a civil fine in an amount equal to not more than $10,000.'.
(3) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(A) in the chapter analysis, by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 932. Regulation of firearms transfers at gun shows.';
and
(B) in the first sentence of section 923(j), by striking `a gun show or event' and inserting `an event'.
(d) Inspection Authority- Section 923(g)(1) is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(E) Notwithstanding subparagraph (B), the Attorney General may enter during business hours the place of business of any gun show promoter and any place where a gun show is held for the purposes of examining the records required by sections 923 and 932 and the inventory of licensees conducting business at the gun show. Such entry and examination shall be conducted for the purposes of determining compliance with this chapter by gun show promoters and licensees conducting business at the gun show and shall not require a showing of reasonable cause or a warrant.'.
(e) Increased Penalties for Serious Recordkeeping Violations by Licensees- Section 924(a)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
`(3)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), any licensed dealer, licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed collector who knowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by this chapter to be kept in the records of a person licensed under this chapter, or violates section 922(m) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
`(B) If the violation described in subparagraph (A) is in relation to an offense--
`(i) under paragraph (1) or (3) of section 922(b), such person shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both; or
`(ii) under subsection (a)(6) or (d) of section 922, such person shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.
(f) Increased Penalties for Violations of Criminal Background Check Requirements-
(1) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(A) in paragraph (5), by striking `subsection (s) or (t) of section 922' and inserting `section 922(s)'; and
(B) by adding at the end the following:
`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(t) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.
(2) ELIMINATION OF CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF OFFENSE- Section 922(t)(5) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `and, at the time' and all that follows through `State law'.
(g) Effective Date- This Act and the amendments made by this section shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
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I will do it BUT not now. (I've had err am having tee many martoonies ;D )
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I didn't go thru the WHOLE thang, sorry!
Sounds like a good law to me though! What part is not good (section)? I had to go thru a background check when I purchased a gun at a local gun shoppee, why not at these 'gun shows'?
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I didn't go thru the WHOLE thang, sorry!
Sounds like a good law to me though! What part is not good (section)? I had to go thru a background check when I purchased a gun at a local gun shoppee, why not at these 'gun shows'?
It closes private sales!
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I didn't go thru the WHOLE thang, sorry!
Sounds like a good law to me though! What part is not good (section)? I had to go thru a background check when I purchased a gun at a local gun shoppee, why not at these 'gun shows'?
Out side of forcing background checks for gun sales, like Haz said that will extend to private sales and transfers, father to son, brother to brother, it's not a federal issue. If your state wants to have this type of law than they can, like some do. This is an attempt by the elitist in the federal government to force their will on us, notice were all the bill supporters are from. Their fear of guns, and the people that own them, you and me, does not extend to states like Texas. So I don't want this force upon my people. And read the Constitution, 'shall no be infringed' and the part about the 10th amendment.
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I don't need to read the bill, I'd vote against the bill based soley on the list of co-sponsors!
A veritable who's, who of communism in the Senate!
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That's a BAD thing?
MoJo Dealer gets $800.00 flashed in his face and he/she is gonna sell whatever to whomever! That don't cook well with me that's for $hit sure!
That damn green crap and then I/we have a nasty on OUR street stirring $hit up with his/her new handgun!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander!?
Either have background checks for ALL or just give guns to ALL and see who can shOOt what with it! That'd be fun! "Swine FLu"! Kill'em! POW! Makes a ton of useless sense to me...there are better ways around 'the MAN'!
...it ain't nail, so don't use a hammer! Better to be Pro-active than paranoid!
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Did I read this wrong?
I thought the MSM said Sen Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY] - 4/21/2009 was pro-gun. This doesn't look very pro 2dA to me.
It is a waste of time to write to Sen Levin. I have done it often with no discernible result. He is listed as a sponsor.
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I don't agree with just anybody having access to a firearm, (criminals), but I also know that if they pass this, they will try for more. give them an inch, they'll take a mile. besides, who would want to associate with anything the looney left wants anyway?
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That's a BAD thing?
MoJo Dealer gets $800.00 flashed in his face and he/she is gonna sell whatever to whomever! That don't cook well with me that's for $hit sure!
That damn green crap and then I/we have a nasty on OUR street stirring $hit up with his/her new handgun!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander!?
Either have background checks for ALL or just give guns to ALL and see who can shOOt what with it! That'd be fun! "Swine FLu"! Kill'em! POW! Makes a ton of useless sense to me...there are better ways around 'the MAN'!
...it ain't nail, so don't use a hammer! Better to be Pro-active than paranoid!
OK, HotRock,
Yer gran pappy passes BUT before you get his guns you have to take them to a dealer who will charge you (and record this) to 'transfer' his guns to you. How ya feel about that? You buy a gun for your son,, wife , etc BUT NOOOOOO it has to be 'transfered' you cannot give it to them.
Now, what ya think?
Oh, and with Gra pappy's guns YOU have some 'glitch' so the dealer keeps yer guns until you can go through all of the red tape and expense to get it staright. If he is a nice guy he still has your guns and will complete the sale OR he went out of business and the guns have been sold, OR he is a jerk and sells them anyway OR.............
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Could not agree more Deepwater.
This is the law in MA...you cannot purchase a firearm in the state of MA without a MA LTC or FID card if your a resident. People from border states attend these shows and I don't know how they get around that. You cannot buy ammunition as a resident without an LTC for handgun and a FID for everything else. Possesion of ammunition without the proper license is a felony...
Keep letting these idiots pass more laws and the rest of the country will be where I am now...More laws will not change who is doing the killing.
I've tried to attend one show in MA and they required me to check my sidearm at the door. I decided it wasn't worth the trouble and went back home. I won't attend another...
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That's a BAD thing?
MoJo Dealer gets $800.00 flashed in his face and he/she is gonna sell whatever to whomever! That don't cook well with me that's for $hit sure!
That damn green crap and then I/we have a nasty on OUR street stirring $hit up with his/her new handgun!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander!?
Either have background checks for ALL or just give guns to ALL and see who can shOOt what with it! That'd be fun! "Swine FLu"! Kill'em! POW! Makes a ton of useless sense to me...there are better ways around 'the MAN'!
...it ain't nail, so don't use a hammer! Better to be Pro-active than paranoid!
I would rather be free in a country that respects the constitution, than have people who govern and make decisions based on fear, emotion, and contempt for the average man. When you give up your freedoms once, you'll do it again, until you've got nothing to give. And while some would call it paranoid, it has happened time and time again. I used to have the same attitude as you, until I realized what I had been doing is giving power to someone who doesn't have my interest at heart. They will take this victory and move onto another firearms restriction, that's the way the federal government works, its the way and federal government of any country in the world has worked. And like you said $800 bucks will sell to whoever, do you really think this would stop a criminal from obtaining a weapon, they'll move to the next dealer that'll take that money with no background check. We live in the real world, criminals don't give up money for laws, that's what make them criminals. If your laws fixed everything than we would have no drugs or thieves. I am being proactive, because the problem is your contemptuous D.C. leaders, not guys like me and the other fine folks of this group. The paranoid ones are your senators that fear so much, they'll sacrifice our freedoms to attempt to prevent crime. Personally I'd rather contend with the criminals than the corrupt politicians.
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I will do it BUT not now. (I've had err am having tee many martoonies ;D )
Are you and deepwater trying out those openners?
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Ammo,
I live in Peru, and yes I carry legally, but I am very restricted on what I can carry and what ammo I can use. and looking at what is available to me, I can see it's been pushed by the media and too many people watching bad television. Only FMJ no hollow points, at all. I have a card that I must present to the dealer when I buy ammo and they will record - on the card - how much ammo, what cal. and lot number, etc.... but, the good news is that we now have some people pushing the right kind of gun laws for us. before, if you were attacked by a thug with a knife, you could not shoot them. now, they agree that if your life is in danger, you can use your gun to defend yourself no matter what they carry. ;D the main result with all these restrictions would be very few people carrying guns. and fewer that know they can. if you're clean, you can carry, do the paper work, pass the tests, and give everybody money. it's easy! :P
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Are you and deepwater trying out those openners?
trying, hell we're wearing 'em out!!!!
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Are you and deepwater trying out those openners?
I'll never tell (hic!)
But honestly the Tres Rios tequilla has a corked bottle! ;) (tough a beer chaser is good!)
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With a co-sponsor list that read like a hundred day headache;
DONE!
I'd rather be pro-active now than paranoid more than I already am later.
"I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state. That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union."
Governor Rick Perry of Texas, April 2009
Me likey beer chasers,..... :P
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OK, HotRock,
Yer gran pappy passes BUT before you get his guns you have to take them to a dealer who will charge you (and record this) to 'transfer' his guns to you. How ya feel about that? You buy a gun for your son,, wife , etc BUT NOOOOOO it has to be 'transfered' you cannot give it to them.
Now, what ya think?
Oh, and with Gra pappy's guns YOU have some 'glitch' so the dealer keeps yer guns until you can go through all of the red tape and expense to get it staright. If he is a nice guy he still has your guns and will complete the sale OR he went out of business and the guns have been sold, OR he is a jerk and sells them anyway OR.............
Hotrock comes from a very restrictive state...I mean, c'mon St. Louis is in Missouri so you know there's a bunch of anti-gun at work. I've got friends that live in Zalma, Branson & Springfield...Hotrock is coming in from a state that is very restrictive and may not understand the freedom's we enjoy. I mean, c'mon, heck...they have the State Troopers going after Ron Paul supporters.....that oughta' tell you something where he's been getting his info from...I'd give him a bit of a break and try to help him through this slanted education promulgated in his state..
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No shrug, hottrockin, no shrug.
That means no more federal gummint powers they do not have a right to, and that means stay the hell out of my personal life. If I want to selll to Joe Schmoe on the street, it is none of their business. None. 10th Amendment wedded to the 2nd - go re-read them.
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Hotrock comes from a very restrictive state...I mean, c'mon St. Louis is in Missouri so you know there's a bunch of anti-gun at work. I've got friends that live in Zalma, Branson & Springfield...Hotrock is coming in from a state that is very restrictive and may not understand the freedom's we enjoy. I mean, c'mon, heck...they have the State Troopers going after Ron Paul supporters.....that oughta' tell you something where he's been getting his info from...I'd give him a bit of a break and try to help him through this slanted education promulgated in his state..
I'm with you. You guys would not believe who I used to be, you would have thought I was a conservative communist. I've have been quoted as saying, 'would you rather be 50 states, or one nation?', and implying that 50 states was a selfish and unloyal answer. When I was in the 9th grade, I said during a class discussion, 'owning a handgun illogical when we devote so many public resources to public safety.'
If I could see the light, through much study and observation of the real world, than Hotrockin should be OK, with a bit of guidance. Not knocking you, but you've probably been raised to believe that government knows best, as I was. Just look at the endless amount of F%#$ ups cause by our fed. Every thing they touch turns to hell. The states governments make this nation work, not the fed, so if you want something, call your state legislator.
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I don't need to read the bill, I'd vote against the bill based soley on the list of co-sponsors! co-conspiritors.
A veritable who's, who of communism in the Senate!
There fixed it! ;D
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Told you I would. ;)
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Opinions expressed as fact with nothing to back them up:
(5) gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events at which firearms are exhibited or offered for sale or exchange, provide a convenient and centralized commercial location at which firearms may be bought and sold anonymously, often without background checks and without records that enable gun tracing;
They say that like it's a BAD thing!!
(6) at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events at which guns are exhibited or offered for sale or exchange, criminals and other prohibited persons obtain guns without background checks and frequently use guns that cannot be traced to later commit crimes;
(8) many persons who buy and sell firearms at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events cross State lines to attend these events and engage in the interstate transportation of firearms obtained at these events;
(9) gun violence is a pervasive, national problem that is exacerbated by the availability of guns at gun shows, flea markets, and other organized events;
(10) firearms associated with gun shows have been transferred illegally to residents of another State by Federal firearms licensees and nonlicensed firearms sellers, and have been involved in subsequent crimes including drug offenses, crimes of violence, property crimes, and illegal possession of firearms by felons and other prohibited persons;
Here's my point, in case you missed it. The language in Section 5 of this bill bemoans the fact that many of these sales are untraceable, yet they go on in Sections 6, 8, 9 and 10 to describe how these firearms (which they said earlier can't be traced) are used in crimes.
Ok, which is it? Either you don't know where they go, or you know they're used in the commission of crimes. You can't have it both ways!!
God this stuff just royally PISSES me off!!
I guess my mistake is in thinking that the issue should be clouded with actual fricking FACTS!!!!