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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: tumblebug on May 12, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
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YES next 8) 8) 8) price ???
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Probably not. Just another me too product release.
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I can't afford another 1911 but if I was just starting out I would consider it.
Richard
PS: Is that the big announcement set for the NRA Convention?
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Gotta wait two days to find out.....
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Nope
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He said it was a big box too.
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As I have said before, I don't buy the first of anything. Let someone else do the product testing. ;)
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I just saw that Bane is lurking on this thread........ I guess it is a 1911.
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They put a teaser on their website:
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/index.html
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I guess ol' John Moses and Bill are somewhere having a picnic and sharing a good hearty chuckle. ;)
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I guess ol' John Moses and Bill are somewhere having a picnic and sharing a good hearty chuckle. ;)
OK, I show my stupidity. Bill?
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OK, I show my stupidity. Bill?
Bill Ruger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ruger#Controversies
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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OK, I show my stupidity. Bill?
E12 beat me to it........damn, Haz.....how many Rugers do you own?
(http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/ogUvYi41.gif)
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I was thinking an SR9 style 45. I know they have a 45 but from what I remember its pretty clunky. So a slim trim striker 45 would be cool. SR45 or even in 40 SR40. Thats my guess.
I was also thinking about a mini with a pistol grip but saw they already have that. So I doubt it will be an AR but maybe.
As for a 1911. If it was a total GI spec 1911 I would think about it. If it have slab sides GI Spur Hammer, GI standard guide rod, Arched mainspring, one a kind grip safety like what Para put on their GI Expert and Ruger strength and durability I would really really consider it. But I am afraid that if they do do a 1911 they are just going to do a Kimber\Springfield copy like everything else coming out.
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uh let's see ....4. But I was thinking 1911 and the Ruger part didn't sink in! DOH! (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/ashamed0005.gif)
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I would hope they would do something new. Granted, I'm not a 1911 guy, but seriousely how many do need? Everybody and his dog is making one in everything from compact to polymer. It would be nice if a company with the resources of Ruger would spend some of those to, you know, innovate. Hell, I'd settle for an LCP in 9mm or .40.
FQ13
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uh let's see ....4. But I was thinking 1911 and the Ruger part didn't sink in! DOH! (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/ashamed0005.gif)
That's OK pal, we'll just chalk it up to a 'senior moment', .............. or too many Hazeritas.................. ;)
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I would like to see a Ruger Lever gun ;D
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That's OK pal, we'll just chalk it up to a 'senior moment', .............. or too many Hazeritas.................. ;)
Thanks Peg, I'm sure YOU understand the hazarita thing. ;)
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I would hope they would do something new. Granted, I'm not a 1911 guy, but seriousely how many do need? Everybody and his dog is making one in everything from compact to polymer. It would be nice if a company with the resources of Ruger would spend some of those to, you know, innovate. Hell, I'd settle for an LCP in 9mm or .40.
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Although I don't think you could ever have too many 1911's, I agree on the part about innovation.
However, innovation in pistol design (and I mean TRUE innovation, as in no one has thought of it and built it yet) will be slow going I'm afraid. Most of the 'new' stuff we will see will be aimed at ergonomics, weight savings, and new cartridge design, but not anything that is totally 'out there' new. Almost every new design out there now has some unique feature but was partly borrowed from a previous concept.
We already have and use polymer, rubber, plastic, steel, carbon fiber, stainless steel, aluminum, titanium, scandium and every other "fruit-of-the-loomium" bouncing around in gun designs now. It'll be hard to come up with something 'completely' new and improved.
I think the next evolution will be in recoil design to allow something like an all-polymer gun (slide and frame) for a cartridge like the .45 ACP and still only weigh a pound or so. Imagine a 1911 Officers Model that weighs less than a pound but has no recoil.
It may be twenty years in the future (or more) but it may eventually happen.
Of course, I may just be farting in a whirlwind....but that the way i see it. ;)
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If the price is good, I definitely would. It would probably never make California's list though, unless it has a magazine disconnect safety.
I'm going to Phoenix to find out.
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At one time, Ruger had developed the XGI, which was not really an M1A, but similar. It was more of a Mini 14 in .308. I'd like to see that come out.
Since they now have a little packing auto, the only thing they don't really have is a combat shotgun. I'd love to see how they'd do one of those.
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Although I don't think you could ever have too many 1911's, I agree on the part about innovation.
However, innovation in pistol design (and I mean TRUE innovation, as in no one has thought of it and built it yet) will be slow going I'm afraid. Most of the 'new' stuff we will see will be aimed at ergonomics, weight savings, and new cartridge design, but not anything that is totally 'out there' new. Almost every new design out there now has some unique feature but was partly borrowed from a previous concept.
We already have and use polymer, rubber, plastic, steel, carbon fiber, stainless steel, aluminum, titanium, scandium and every other "fruit-of-the-loomium" bouncing around in gun designs now. It'll be hard to come up with something 'completely' new and improved.
I think the next evolution will be in recoil design to allow something like an all-polymer gun (slide and frame) for a cartridge like the .45 ACP and still only weigh a pound or so. Imagine a 1911 Officers Model that weighs less than a pound but has no recoil.
It may be twenty years in the future (or more) but it may eventually happen.
Of course, I may just be farting in a whirlwind....but that the way i see it. ;)
I don't know peg. Discovery Channel had a show called Future Weapons or something like that. I remember seeing one that was an electronically detonated caseless cartridge piece with multiple barrels. It was designed as an AA weapon to shoot a zillion rounds a minute, but they did have a handgun proto-type. It doesn't need to be all buck rogers, but more ammo, higher power, greater cocealabilty, less recoil (pick 2), would seem to be doable.
FQ13
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At one time, Ruger had developed the XGI, which was not really an M1A, but similar. It was more of a Mini 14 in .308. I'd like to see that come out.
Since they now have a little packing auto, the only thing they don't really have is a combat shotgun. I'd love to see how they'd do one of those.
MB did say a "big box".
shotgun or lever gun ;)
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Ruger's teasers says another platform redefined. Whatever that means. They already have had lever actions.
Poly Redhawk?
Pump Shotgun?
Semi auto shotgun?
.30 cal battle rifle?
poly, carbon, or piston AR type?
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I would if I needed another 1911 but I don't. The Ruger 345 is a nice DA 45 that came out before the SR9 and it has a hammer. I like it, but I don't need another SA45.
I have several Rugers and they all are good. You know what, I do not have, and never have had, a 10/22 --- Mmm.
One thing about Ruger, they always stand behind their products.
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Of course, I may just be farting in a whirlwind whirlpool....but that the way i see it. ;)
Aargh! Fixed that for ye, ye pirate.
Maybe Ruger has a firearm designed around a caseless round on the boards.
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I don't know peg. Discovery Channel had a show called Future Weapons or something like that. I remember seeing one that was an electronically detonated caseless cartridge piece with multiple barrels. It was designed as an AA weapon to shoot a zillion rounds a minute, but they did have a handgun proto-type. It doesn't need to be all buck rogers, but more ammo, higher power, greater cocealabilty, less recoil (pick 2), would seem to be doable.
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I saw it also....neat concepts and very doable.......but do you ever think the little peons of the public will ever get their grimy little hands on something like that?
I know they already have some 'out of this world' armament.
You can buy electronically fired guns now...CVA makes a black powder muzzleloader that uses electric igniton and I think there are some target guns that do also.
I'm talking about an affordable firearm for widespread public sale, not futuristic, one-off military only stuff.
I'm talking about another John Browning or Bill Ruger or John Thompson or John Garrand or Eugene Stoner or Ronnie Barrett.....someone who takes a blank sheet of paper and ends up building a new idea that impacts generations of shooters.
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I have several Rugers and they all are good. You know what, I do not have, and never have had, a 10/22 --- Mmm.
What! Everyone has to have at least one 10-22! Isn't that a law, or something? I noticed that the new ones have plastic trigger guards. Has anyone had problems with them?
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At one time, Ruger had developed the XGI, which was not really an M1A, but similar. It was more of a Mini 14 in .308. I'd like to see that come out.
Since they now have a little packing auto, the only thing they don't really have is a combat shotgun. I'd love to see how they'd do one of those.
:o A combat shotgun.... That would be interesting from Ruger.
MB did say a "big box".
shotgun or lever gun ;)
Maybe a large pistol caliber version of the .22 lever?
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After my experience with their SR9 (loved the gun but they screwed up the trigger on the recall, IMHO) I will steer clear of any new models/versions. I noticed on their teaser page that there were links to the recall status for their last two new introductions. I wish them better luck with this one.
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I would get a Ruger 1911, but only if it had a metal frame. I'm afraid the desire to be different would cause them to do something silly, like come out with a poly framed 1911. I would be more interested in a .45ACP version of the SR9, or a concealed carry version (compact) of the SR9.
I would if I needed another 1911 but I don't. The Ruger 345 is a nice DA 45 that came out before the SR9 and it has a hammer. I like it, but I don't need another SA45.
What does "NEED" have to do with it? You can NEVER have too many 1911's.
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Whatever it does turn out to be, I hope it is prettier than the LCR.
Going to clean me Vaquero now,....
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The LCR is so ugly, that it is pretty. Are they in stores already?
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Personally I think think the LCR is the way to go, 'course I'm a real (wheel) gun kinda guy. ;)
I would like to see impovements in wheel guns. Better ejection. I flip out cylander for SA etc.
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What ever it is, I hope that it literally makes Barack H. Obama and all those other Chicago Loons crap their pants.
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Heck yah! Always looking for another reason to buy a 1911. Afraid they may mess with the original a bit too much for my taste though. I like a steel frame, arched mainspring housing, and the proportions of the original. Rugers other centerfire offerings have been a bit bulky and off balance for me. I will keep the cc ready!
Addict
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Hell no ., let Rugar stick to what they know, SAA
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I don't know peg. Discovery Channel had a show called Future Weapons or something like that. I remember seeing one that was an electronically detonated caseless cartridge piece with multiple barrels. It was designed as an AA weapon to shoot a zillion rounds a minute, but they did have a handgun proto-type. It doesn't need to be all buck rogers, but more ammo, higher power, greater cocealabilty, less recoil (pick 2), would seem to be doable.
FQ13
Metal Storm
http://www.metalstorm.com/ (http://www.metalstorm.com/)
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Ruger doesn't want to copy everyone else's semi auto (1911)
How about THIS in .357 , 9mm and .45 ACP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umHFfUee2ro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0arGVi2pwz4&feature=related
http://www.northwest-denture.com/mauser1896/
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I don't know Tom. I've always thought SA machine pistols were just silly. All the weight and inaccuracy, none of the rate of fire. People love them though. I fired a friends tec-9. The hey, this is cool looking, quickly faded to, I think I'll shoot my Glock now. Maybe its just me.
FQ13
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Ruger doesn't want to copy everyone else's semi auto (1911)
How about THIS in .357 , 9mm and .45 ACP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umHFfUee2ro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0arGVi2pwz4&feature=related
http://www.northwest-denture.com/mauser1896/
Been watching "Joe Kidd" again, Tom?
Everything old is new again................. Ruger gave single actions a kick in the pants back in the 50's...might work again....... ;D ;D ;D
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Mauser Broomhandles? Just a fine functioning semi auto. Design works, has its dissenters just like the old Browning High Power. But both go bang.... after all these years.
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Broomhandle Mauser would be a hell of a thing in CAS, now wouldn't it?
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nope, Thier QC and handfitting have never been great. 1911 need both good QC and handfiting. Its just they way they were designed.
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June GUNS mag. page55 Duke "And I hear now RUGER is getting into the act." {1911's} 8) 8) 8)
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June GUNS mag. page55 Duke "And I hear now RUGER is getting into the act." {1911's} 8) 8) 8)
Groan.
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I vote an inertia driven shotgun, ala Franchi or Benelli. If Ruger came out with a short barrel version of one of those I would buy it.
;D
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The votes on a poll on "one of those other forums" say that the majority of us gun clingers want it to be a 1911:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=55958
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Is this an AR Bolt?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/yekimak/RugerBolt1.jpg
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Is this an AR Bolt?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/yekimak/RugerBolt1.jpg
In my limited knowledge, I don't quite think it's a traditional AR bolt, but don't have one handy to compare it to. If this is real, and not faked or disinformation I would bet the new product is a semiauto rifle of some kind. Years ago they promoted the XGI which was similar to the M-14/M1A, but apparently there were problems with it and few ever made it to the public. Ruger auctioned one off recently and I think it went for thousands of $$$$.
http://www.rugerauction.com/Auction6.html
I forgot who it was I talked to a couple years back and they claimed to have been at Ruger and saw many XGI receivers that Ruger still had and supposedly Ruger was working on a fix for it.
There is speculation on somewhere on AR forum and more here:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=55854&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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What ever it is I think Michael Bane should give one away on DRTV for putting us through this.
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+1 on that!
I think Ruger did something really radical..
Like a M-30 carbine sized mini-14 but chambered for the .357.
(ok. maybe that's a little too out there)
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+1 on that!
I think Ruger did something really radical..
Like a M-30 carbine sized mini-14 but chambered for the .357.
(ok. maybe that's a little too out there)
But it would be COOL. They used to make a nice little 44 carbine called the deer slayer.
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Is this an AR Bolt?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/yekimak/RugerBolt1.jpg
Bolt CARRIER, but it looks like (at that stage of machining) it will be set up for a gas piston instead of gas impingement.
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I don't think I'll buy any new design from Ruger.
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I don't think I'll buy any new design from Ruger.
Speaking of new from Ruger, Look at the picture of the LCR at the top of this page. Why does it have a loading gate like a SA ?
I thought it had a swing out cylinder. ???
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cylinder release....... it looks like the pic is a negative
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Metal Storm
http://www.metalstorm.com/ (http://www.metalstorm.com/)
Correct
and it was invented here in Australia :)
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Correct
and it was invented here in Australia :)
To solve the rabbit problem?
;D
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But it would be COOL. They used to make a nice little 44 carbine called the deer slayer.
I had one in my attic for a while. I was hiding it for my landlord from her drunken son....Never got to shoot it but it was a nice little rifle, well balanced. He used it for bear.
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I could see Ruger coming out with a 1911 and an AR-15. Everyone else has them, why not jump in? Now that the company has turned away from they're Restricted Capacity policies, there should be nothing keeping them out.
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More info of interest:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/
The below images comes from the Ruger 2008 Annual Meeting report (I add blue arrows):
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/picture-27-4-tm.jpg)
This year they introduced a compact carry revolver. This following image is from the Annual Meeting report held last month (I add blue arrows):
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/picture-26-7-tm.jpg)
You can only tell your shareholders you are missing out on a major growth area so many times before they start getting angry! I reckon it will be an AR-15.
*If these are real, and the leaked pic of a bolt carrier is also real...... It has to be an AR
Exit Question: Man, this is fun! Isnt it?
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Other than a 10-22 I own, NO I'd not buy another Ruger.
Just have never met a Ruger I like - Don't care about there LCP and the LCR - I have a 642 and a Kahr..... Ruger appears to be a ME TOO company -- After other companies bring out new product years later Ruger goes "Oh hey - maybe we should start making polymer pistols too......"
No for mew there are plenty of other companies out there and Ruger is just not in my favorites column
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We will know tomarrow. 8) 8) 8)
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Another AR? Ho Hum... :P
They need a good inexpensive lever gun, maybe a pistol caliber carbine
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Exit Question: Man, this is fun! Isnt it?
It has served Rugers marketing department for what it was intended! Get people talking, get people wishing, get the blood boiling for a new and improved something they probably already have!
New and improved widgits sell like hotcakes regardless of what's changed...
It's always fun!
;D ;D ;D
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It has served Rugers marketing department for what it was intended! Get people talking, get people wishing, get the blood boiling for a new and improved something they probably already have!
New and improved widgits sell like hotcakes regardless of what's changed...
It's always fun!
;D ;D ;D
Well, This will be the extent of my fun. Another gun purchase for me will be a good long ways off -- no matter what it is they come out with. Its just really fun to see all this excitement surrounding the industry in general. We have not really had much new to talk about since SHOT, and this has been a great injection of excitement and anticipation.
*I am officially casting my vote that it will be an AR -- and when it is, I WILL say "I told ya so".
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Well, This will be the extent of my fun. Another gun purchase for me will be a good long ways off -- no matter what it is they come out with. Its just really fun to see all this excitement surrounding the industry in general. We have not really had much new to talk about since SHOT, and this has been a great injection of excitement and anticipation.
*I am officially casting my vote that it will be an AR -- and when it is, I WILL say "I told ya so".
It is fun to love your toys! I kinda gotta agree that it's probably an evil PIF too. ;) ..one I won't be able to put my hands on! :-[
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I would consider it after the first recall.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject:
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Who knows?
Ruger has been listening to shooter's wants and needs.
It could be a very sleek scaled-down version of the Number 1, chambered for rimfire cartridges, and small centerfires like the .22 Hornet.
I might be a stretched Super Redhawk, bringing back the .357 Maximum, using a ceramic insert in the top strap to eliminate flame cutting.
It would also really set the woods afire to reintroduce the XGI, but with a new way to mount the barrel that produces amazing accuracy.
Look at either Ruger.com or Gunblast.com (or both) at 1:00 PM EDT on Friday the 15th.
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Jeff Quinn
gunblast.com
Found this post on the Ruger Forum
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Other than a 10-22 I own, NO I'd not buy another Ruger.
Just have never met a Ruger I like - Don't care about there LCP and the LCR - I have a 642 and a Kahr..... Ruger appears to be a ME TOO company -- After other companies bring out new product years later Ruger goes "Oh hey - maybe we should start making polymer pistols too......"
No for mew there are plenty of other companies out there and Ruger is just not in my favorites column
What about the Ruger rimfire autopistols? They're like the 10-22s of handguns. Also, my Single Six may be my favorite plinking gun ever.
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well that is crap.
I have at work 8:50AM 15/05/09 and just checked Ruger's web site as they said there would be something new on the 15th and I still have to wait 17:41:42 hours :(
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PhilW that's what you get for living on the front side of the world. We on the back side of the world don't have to wait so long. ???
The reveal is suppose to be at 1:00 p.m., but I don't know what time zone that is. If it is local Phoenix time then I think it would be Mountain Standard Time. (MST) Right now it's about 5:00 pm in Phoenix 5-14-09.
http://phoenix.about.com/library/blphoenixtime.htm
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says 1:00 pm EST or about 17 hours from right now.
Adelaide is GMT +9-1/2 hours minus EST of 5 hours so that would make the unveiling for you Phil, of sometime on Sunday! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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says 1:00 pm EST or about 17 hours from right now.
Adelaide is GMT +9-1/2 hours minus EST of 5 hours so that would make the unveiling for you Phil, of sometime on Sunday! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Too...much...math. My brain hurts!
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hehe thanks Timothy
I was just looking it up :D
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Well, This will be the extent of my fun. Another gun purchase for me will be a good long ways off -- no matter what it is they come out with. Its just really fun to see all this excitement surrounding the industry in general. We have not really had much new to talk about since SHOT, and this has been a great injection of excitement and anticipation.
*I am officially casting my vote that it will be an AR -- and when it is, I WILL say "I told ya so".
I don't believe that............ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;)
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5 hours to go
will be 2am here then so looks like I will be looking to it tomorrow :P
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5 hours to go
will be 2am here then so looks like I will be looking to it tomorrow :P
2 am is ALREADY tommorow Phil..... ;D
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Tom Gresham mentioned on his radio show that someone new was coming out with a 1911. He thought it was Remington. Seems like it may have actually been Ruger.
I wonder why Remington doesn't get into handguns?
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Ruger had the AR, so I wonder if Remington really is coming out with a 1911?
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ahhhhhhh the New Ruger
The Ruger SR-556
looks like I won't be getting it :(
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ahhhhhhh the New Ruger
The Ruger SR-556
looks like I won't be getting it :(
Poor guy is the only one here not complaining about the price. If its too expensive don't buy it, at least we have the option.
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I would assume this line of questioning was based on what is next in the design pipe line, not what will be released at the NRA Convention.
There is no point in going through all the design, alpha and beta testing then manufacturing if nobody is interested in a Ruger 1911.
The thread has run amok from the initial question, Would you buy a Ruger 1911?
I hope MB and the Marshal's are at least getting a dinner for their Voice of the Customer survey.
PS I wouldn't buy a Ruger gas piston AR either if they asked me last year.
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Good design, with many parts I'd install on a plain AR15.
Still, I have two questions:
1- why not a folding stock? If you're going with a 16" barrel, and a piston gas system, why not take advantage of it and install a folder? (unless it still uses the butt recoil spring and can't)
2- why a 1:9 barrel? Since bullet use seems to be evolving to heavier weights, why not a 1:7 barrel?
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I would assume this line of questioning was based on what is next in the design pipe line, not what will be released at the NRA Convention.
There is no point in going through all the design, alpha and beta testing then manufacturing if nobody is interested in a Ruger 1911.
The thread has run amok from the initial question, Would you buy a Ruger 1911?
I hope MB and the Marshal's are at least getting a dinner for their Voice of the Customer survey.
PS I wouldn't buy a Ruger gas piston AR either if they asked me last year.
Ratcatcher,
You're right, this thread did run amok with all the speculation. Now to answer the question, If I were in the market for a 1911, I would consider a Ruger 1911.
The 1911 design is nearly 100 years old, the cost to develope would be minimum compared to bringing a new concept or product to production. I understand that Ruger's casting division cast some parts for other firearms companies and I wouldn't be surprised if they have already cast 1011 frames. Yes there are many 1911s to choose from, but one with the Ruger name on it I think would do well in market share. There is a lot of brand loyalty which could translate into $ales.
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Ratcatcher,
You're right, this thread did run amok with all the speculation. Now to answer the question, If I were in the market for a 1911, I would consider a Ruger 1911.
The 1911 design is nearly 100 years old, the cost to develope would be minimum compared to bringing a new concept or product to production. I understand that Ruger's casting division cast some parts for other firearms companies and I wouldn't be surprised if they have already cast 1011 frames. Yes there are many 1911s to choose from, but one with the Ruger name on it I think would do well in market share. There is a lot of brand loyalty which could translate into $ales.
But it would probably cost $1999.00 (http://smileyx.com/smilies/2erOBh1.gif)
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But it would probably cost $1999.00 $1999.95 (http://smileyx.com/smilies/2erOBh1.gif)
There, can't forget the obligatory 95 cents on the end. ;)
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There, can't forget the obligatory 95 cents on the end. ;)
I believe you are mistaken, buddy.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/SR556/specs.html
*Update -- We are both wrong.... price is $1995.00
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I believe you are mistaken, buddy.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/SR556/specs.html
*Update -- We are both wrong.... price is $1995.00
Hell....I make a joke and get it wrong again.............twice today.........well, at least I'm batting a thousand for the day.
Oh well, misery loves company..............any chips over at the man-cave?
DAMMIT.
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