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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Texas_Bryan on May 13, 2009, 05:27:39 PM
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Question for the team. Went to the range yesterday and threw a whole box of pigeons and shot 90 rounds of 7 1/2s out of my 870, and now I'm dying, shoulders bruised, swollen and then skin even broke with some very minor bleeding. I'm not going to stop shooting pigeons like that, its to much fun, but does anyone recommend a recoil reduction setup? I'd like not to be sore as hell every time throw some birds. I'd like something that's on the gun and passive, I don't have to think about it, I've looked at those sissy shoulder pads and dismissed them as too much of a production, I want something that's ready to, if I ever build a tactical shotgun set up.
Or maybe its a technique that I can use to help reduce recoil on my shoulder? I tried pushing forward on the fore grip and it worked to some effect, and it also ended up hitting harder if I brought the stock of my shoulder. I know my solution lies somewhere in those old..er.. experienced brains. What works for ya'll? Thanks.
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and now I'm dying, shoulders bruised, swollen and then skin even broke with some very minor bleeding.
For that many rounds, maybe those "sissy" shoulder pads will quiet down the whining. ::)
Seriously, something on the gun may make the the buttstock longer if your cool with that, it may help.
Get some arnica for your shoulder, better for bruising and soreness, than "standard" cremes. Ice-man...
Technique? cut down to 75 rds.... :o That's a bunch of 12g.
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Knoxx
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A friend got some positive results from this, but it adds weight to the gun.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=6728&st=recoil%20reduction&s=
Also:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=13194&title=LIMBSAVER?%20RECOIL%20PAD
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=25268&title=
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6809&title=100%20STRAIGHT%20DEAD%20MULE%20RECOIL%20REDUCER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=10088&title=GUNNERS%20CHOICE%20RECOIL%20REDUCER%20CHOKE%20TUBE
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Great info, I didn't know that internal recoil reducers that PegLeg suggested were even around. I think a slip on butt pad is the way to go, then go for the internal recoil reduction.
This the Knoxx your thinking about?
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=372771
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I really like the limbsaver recoil pads, I have one of the mercury recoil reducers, and can't remember how it felt, as it has not been installed in years.
Question: We know it was 7 1/2's, but weight, length and dram equivalent would be nice. If your shooting 1 1/2 oz, 3 1/2 or 4 dram cartridges, no wonder your shoulder hurts >:(
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I forgot about these....saw one in an over/under gun once...
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=25865&title=STOCKABSORBER
Many various options and combos...
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5617&title=COUNTER%20COIL~%20RECOIL%20REDUCER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=25265&title=GRACOIL%20ADJUSTABLE%20LENGTH%20OF%20PULL%20RECOIL%20REDUCER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6723&title=GRACOIL%20STANDARD%20RECOIL%20REDUCER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=26527&title=KINETIC%20MAGAZINE%20WEIGHT
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=26199&title=REM./BENELLI%20STOCKABSORBER%20STOCK
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Great info, I didn't know that internal recoil reducers that PegLeg suggested were even around. I think a slip on butt pad is the way to go, then go for the internal recoil reduction.
This the Knoxx your thinking about?
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=372771
I haven't used it myself, but some folks that I have talked to about it seem to love it. You can check out videos at the Knoxx site and you can see folks firing one-handed without much difficulty. My in-the-works-purchase of a 870 will have one attached.
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*cough* 1100 *cough*
You can pick up a used one in great shape for $400-$500
I own a bucnh of shot guns, other then the "clay games guns" which are heavy pigs, the 1100 is by far the softest shooting gun.
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+1 on the 1100.
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I used to dove hunt with my uncle's 1100 16ga. Now that was one soft shooting gun. Almost no felt recoil.
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it sounds to me like you're not mounting the shotgun properly, You need to hold it as tight as you can against your shoulder otherwise The butt will get a running start to hit your shoulder which will cause the bruising. You might want to have the fit checked at a shop that does custom stocks, if the fit is wrong it will be harder to mount the gun properly.
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Yep...maybe you're letting that sucker get a running start at your shoulder. Also, maybe it really IS a firecracker...you could try an 1100. And/OR "Limbsaver" butt pad. It got my wife shooting trap after she swore she couldn't fire more than a couple of rounds. Look into it and get the cushiest one they've got. They work.
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http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=OYJUVLFLABUFNLAQBBJCCOVMCAEFGIWE?id=0012785224733a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Product_liberal&QueryText=knoxx&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1
Getting this for the 590a1 just to handle 3"mags
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If you are on some high blood presure Rx you will turn black and blue from shooting a shot gun even if you do every thing right.
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+1 on the limbsaver. I haven't used one but have heard a lot of people praising there use on Marlin lever guns especially when shooting hot 45-70 rounds.
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I agree with pretty much everything thats been said. I tend to shoot 4 rounds of skeet in a session. I use either a Parker 20 or a Merkel model 8 in 12, both with hard butt plates. The two most pertinent questions are:
1) Are you using low brass 2 3/4? There's no reason to shoot standard on the skeet range. Low brass is there for a reason.
2) How are you mounting your gun? Do you have it snug before you call for a bird? Or do hold it loose and then snap it up before calling the shot? I hunt quail, and so generally hold it low and snap it up. This means sloppier placement and more bruising. I find a nice pre-mounted position, while less effective for practice reduces this.
I don't have a problem with this though. I think its a combination of stance, grip on the gun, leaning into the recoil, and just getting used to it. I shoot a lot of clay targets. I wouldn't just go from nada to 4 rounds and say,"Gee, wonder why this hurts"? Work into it. I haven't shot a pump in years (before I became a high class redneck), and maybe the weight/angle of the 870 is wrong for you. But I would say go light, start with the gun mounted properly, and gradually work up to lots of shells, before buying somethig thats going to mess with your lenghth of pull etc. Also, there's no shame in a nice shoulder padded vest or jacket. There is zero application to SD, as the last thing you're going to be worried about is recoil. Just don't overshoot to the degree that you develop a flinch and you'll be fine.
FQ13
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I'm not sure what the round specs are, its leftover dove loads so its probably not a low recoil round, I'll look in to getting some of those. And I don't shoulder before I call so I may not be getting a good stance. Thanks every one, I'll invest in some recoil pads and a limbsaver, and I'll work on the stance.
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The 1100 is a pussycat, but you've already got the 870. Keeping the gun tight against squared shoulder will help and the Knoxx is pretty good for some people. I've had great luck with a Past shooting pad. I can shoot a whole case of shells and barely feel it the next day. Even with my torn AC in my shoulder.
http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/past/catalog.asp?product=Mag-Plus-Recoil-Shield-Ambidextrous (http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/past/catalog.asp?product=Mag-Plus-Recoil-Shield-Ambidextrous)
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Texas,
Not sure if you have been on some down time and not shot for a while or this is a new gun problem.
Every spring around this time I head for the trap range after the winter lay-off. I always need to start slow - two round for the first couple weeks and then take off. I still get some bruising, but as I toughen up I can shoot to my heart's content.
If it is the first time after lay-off, just let it heal and ease into it. If it is just a new gun thing go for a Morgan recoil pad - I have a curved on the over/under and a straight on another gun.