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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: MAUSERMAN on May 15, 2009, 09:47:42 PM
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Ruger is coming out with a pistion AR carbine thats f-ing great. Affordable and if built like a true Ruger its whip ass unleashed, but whats going to happen to all the new minis. :-\
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http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=6768.0
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Ruger is coming out with a pistion AR carbine thats f-ing great. Affordable and if built like a true Ruger its whip ass unleashed, but whats going to happen to all the new minis. :-\
Affordable as in 2K? I'd like to live in your neighborhood. As far as the minis, if they go back to the five to six hundred they should cost, I might buy one.
FQ13
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Ruger is coming out with a pistion AR carbine thats f-ing great. Affordable and if built like a true Ruger its whip ass unleashed, but whats going to happen to all the new minis. :-\
$2 Grand for a copy of a $1500 Sig and you call that "great" ?
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If the P-Mags cost $200 each them maybe the whole package would be worth $1995.
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Everyone knows the sugg price is always higher than in the local shops. Hell a LWRC is about $2,899 and SIG 556 is a POS.
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Everyone knows the sugg price is always higher than in the local shops. Hell a LWRC is about $2,899 and SIG 556 is a POS.
Say what? ? ? ?
Lucy, you got some 'splanin' to do.
PS: My Sig 556 was all of $1200. Granted, at that time, DPMS' were 6-700, but still . . .
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Look anything based on an AK piston gas system will work just fine. The sig556 is a joke i have no love for it. My M1 out shot the POS and used a real caliber. The 556 is good but 7.62x51mm is golden, heck i dont need optics to run the gun like the sig and the cheap irons on the sig are a joke. They had to come out with replacement irons to fix the lack of useful sights.
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unless there is a huge demand for a certin gun, prices here are 5-25% less then MSRP. normally in the 10-15 range.
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unless there is a huge demand for a certin gun, prices here are 5-25% less then MSRP. normally in the 10-15 range.
This is still risky move Ruger's part. I am fairley confident, for reasons I've previously explained, that we won't see an AWB passed barring some X factor. By confident, I'm not buying an overpriced AR or hoarding hi-cap mags. Confident enough to spend millions on R@D and machining costs, well........The thing is they better hope for a military contract or a number of LEO offers. One of the things that makes the gun innovative, the ability to adjust the gas port, I'm not sure if the brass will see that as a pro or a con to put into the hands of grunts. I wiish them well.
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The US miltary just spent big bucks buying new guns, they won't be buying again anytime soon. Even at miltary prices, there are plenty of other manufactors that can drasticly under cut them. the most recent dust test, the normal M16/M4/ M what ever they want to call it did extremly well, infact it did better then some of the new piston designs. So even if the US miltary was looking for a new rifle/ carbine. They would not look at a rifle that costs twice as much as what they already have.
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The US miltary just spent big bucks buying new guns, they won't be buying again anytime soon. Even at miltary prices, there are plenty of other manufactors that can drasticly under cut them. the most recent dust test, the normal M16/M4/ M what ever they want to call it did extremly well, infact it did better then some of the new piston designs. So even if the US miltary was looking for a new rifle/ carbine. They would not look at a rifle that costs twice as much as what they already have.
The Marines are looking to replace the M-16/M4 Scar is on the shortlist.
TAB, you need to remember they are cheaper by the 100,000
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The Marines are looking to replace the M-16/M4 Scar is on the shortlist.
TAB, you need to remember they are cheaper by the 100,000
I know, colt and FN sell thier M XXX for around $500 each. I don't think ruger could do that with a piston gun.
arn't the marines limited to like 250k active marines? so at most they would buy what 350k of them?( if that more like 100k)
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Don't miss the bigger picture here guys. Ruger is seeing this for what it really is from a business standpoint, and that is PROFITABILITY! If a gun company wants to make money in todays market they have no choice but to get into the black rifle market. Remington, Smith & Wesson, and now Ruger are seeing this solid fact. $2,000.00 Gold Label S X S shotguns aren't selling, but $2,000.00 AR-15's ARE, be they piston driven or D.I. Bushmaster, LWRC, Stag Arms, DPMS, Armalite, and a host of others are all back ordered for months on most every single model they sell.
Even the non AR-15 semi's like Springfield's M-1A and Sig Arms 556 are selling like hotcakes, some priced well above retail. At the Cabela's near me these models last for only minutes on the rack before they are sold. It would be sheer stupidity for Ruger to ignore this market. This is the salvation the gun industry has been waiting for in this country. Winchester proved when they tanked, people don't want lever action rifles. At least to nowhere near the degree they want AR-15's and other semi auto black rifles.
The same with Hi-Cap semi auto pistols compared to double action and single action revolvers. The semi's outsell all of the wheel guns. Whatever Hussein doesn't like, or want you to have, is exactly what the gun manufacturers should be producing, simply because it is what We The People want. That always counts more because the government may print the money in this country, but we are the ones who give it VALUE! Hussein along with the rest of his socialist followers had best remember that. Bill T.
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I was in a gun shop today... they had 40 ARs in stock... no one was buying, but people were buying 1911 and shot guns.
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U are right about the black guns "selling in minutes"! Doesn't matter what we have S & W M&P 15 "stripped or loaded", SIG 556 is in right now, Bushmaster OAC and ever Remington R-15 are back. We haven't seen Rems in 3 months. There are folks from EVERY walk of life gobbling them up
Handguns of every type sell well 2 my place
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I was in a gun shop today... they had 40 ARs in stock... no one was buying, but people were buying 1911 and shot guns.
Were these California-ized AR's?
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Affordable as in 2K? I'd like to live in your neighborhood. As far as the minis, if they go back to the five to six hundred they should cost, I might buy one.
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I'm with you. I'd like to have a newer Mini. Mine was under $300 brand new (1985) with the original Ruger folding stock. I love it. It shoots well, but the new ones are just a little nicer and have integrated scope bases.
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The days of new $500.00 Mini 14's and $600.00 AR-15's have gone the way of $1.00 a gallon gas. Good for barroom talk and not much else. I remember back in 1973 I paid $225.00 for a brand new, in the box Colt Gold Cup .45. An NRA Commemorative no less. Today a bare bones Gold Cup is a Grand+. It's all of little consequence anymore. The guys who won't pay $750.00 for a new Mini 14 or $1,000.00 for a new AR-15 are the same guys who were going to quit smoking when cigarettes hit $2.00 a pack. Now they stand in line to pay $5.00+. It all relative, and subject to supply and demand. Prices will level off, and may even go down a bit as demand tapers off. But the days of bargain basement prices on black guns is gone. Same with a lot of ammo as well. Bill T.
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I'm with you. I'd like to have a newer Mini. Mine was under $300 brand new (1985) with the original Ruger folding stock. I love it. It shoots well, but the new ones are just a little nicer and have integrated scope bases.
Well, if you want to modernize, I'll give you the same $300, OR trade you a fine Browning squareback, AND a very nice Hoyt bow. ;D
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