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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on May 20, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
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We need to start a pool on how long it takes the israeli to attack.... ;D
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I'll be suprised if Isreal makes it the year before whooping up on somebody. They know that they will get NO suppost from BHO, so they are going to have to get nasty if they want to survive the next 4 years. :(
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I want to see what the trends are before I cast my vote. I have no doubt that they will take out the facility.
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I'll be suprised if Isreal makes it the year before whooping up on somebody. They know that they will get NO suppost from BHO, so they are going to have to get nasty if they want to survive the next 4 years. :(
Frankly, I'll be surprised if they last a year, without the US or UK backing them up! They're not exactly the most popular country in that part of the world.
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I want to see what the trends are before I cast my vote. I have no doubt that they will take out the facility.
Agreed.
Frankly, I'll be surprised if they last a year, without the US or UK backing them up! They're not exactly the most popular country in that part of the world.
I don't think they will go down, but if they did go down in a year they'd take a lot of people with them. They have quite a nuclear deterrant and all their neighbors know it.
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They and Jordan are the only REAL friends America (as opposed to those assholes in DC ) has over there, and if Israel goes Jordan goes because the fanatics hate Abdullah and have always hated his family. Their crime was trying to improve the lot of everyone by working together rather than harming everyone through constant warfare, that sin makes them outcasts in the Muslim world.
And yes, when Israel goes down it will be in flames, and it will probably take most of the rest of the world along for the ride.
If the Jews start slinging Nukes they will for sure take Syria, Iran, and Pakistan, India will probably jump Pakistan from behind because they hate each other and both have Nukes, Russia is allied with all the arab targets so will fire on Israel, So we will fire up Russia and probably N Korea just because (as BO says no crisis should be wasted) France will also attack Israel, if their missiles work, (never established, doubtful), China would probably hit targets of opportunity and try to be the one to pick up the pieces, While they have a space program they only have a relatively small arsenal and less than 2 dozen launchers so their best bet would be to try to be the last man standing while the rest of the developed world destroys itself.
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They are the only and Jordan are the only REAL friends America (as opposed to those assholes in DC ) has over there, and if Israel goes Jordan goes because the fanatics hate Abdullah and have always hated his family. Their crime was trying to improve the lot of everyone by working together rather than harming everyone through constant warfare, that sin makes them outcasts in the Muslim world.
And yes, when Israel goes down it will be in flames
Can we just get this over with?
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Frankly, I'll be surprised if they last a year, without the US or UK backing them up! They're not exactly the most popular country in that part of the world.
I wouldn't discount the Isrealies that easily. Next to the U.S. they probably have the most powerful and well trained militaries in the world. And certainly more capable than anyone around them. Now if everyone decided to go after them at once, it might be a different story, but like it has been said, they do have a nuclear deterrent. And I think when push came to shove they might pull that trigger.
I know that sounds like a doomsday prophecy, but remember, Isreal isn't fighting for politics, they are fighting for their very existence.
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Let's not forget our history here folks. Israel has already established the fact that they are ready, willing, and capable of handing out butt whippings, even when the odds are against them. They are kind of like the Chuck Norris of nations. Also, I don't mean to inject religion into the discussion, but... you don't mess with God's chosen people. When it comes right down to it, this is something our own country had better keep in mind. That and the fact that they are our only true allies in that area, as Tom Bogan mentioned earlier.
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If the missle did what the Iranians claimed it did (big if), I got $10 on the next 30 days to hit the missle production facility and or fixed launch platforms.
If the missle was a big put on, the IAF will do nothing.
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Let's not forget our history here folks. Israel has already established the fact that they are ready, willing, and capable of handing out butt whippings, even when the odds are against them. They are kind of like the Chuck Norris of nations. Also, I don't mean to inject religion into the discussion, but... you don't mess with God's chosen people. When it comes right down to it, this is something our own country had better keep in mind. That and the fact that they are our only true allies in that area, as Tom Bogan mentioned earlier.
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Sssshhhheeeeeeple..., sssshhheeeeeeple..., sheep, sheep, sheep, sheep, sssshhhheeeeeeple!
We still count the French as "friends", too. Don't we? ::) Not that they ever attacked a US Naval ship, flying a huge US storm flag, in daylight conditions of perfect visibility! I went to school with a girl whose grandfather was seriously injured when our Israeli "friends" attacked the USS LIberty.
So, yes - Let's definitely not forget our history, here, folks!
Despite prior conflicts, I think the British Commonwealth, Germanic and Scandanavian nations are our best friends, overall. Just my opinion...
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All things being equal if you look at the last 30 years, Israel has provided consistent intelligence to the US and is the only true alley we have in the Middle East that would if the SHTF come to our aid. Not to mention if we were to go into a true conflict with Syria or Iran we would need Israel for logistical support and intelligence. I know that with JackAZZ in the white house our likelihood of all out war with Iran is unlikely but, I do believe it's coming and we will be involved most likely not by choice. At this point I wish Israel would hit and hit hard now while there is a small chance we would be able to help. All hell is about to be unleashed mark my words.
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"Despite prior conflicts, I think the British Commonwealth, Germanic and Scandanavian nations are our best friends, overall. Just my opinion..."
"Countries don't have friends, they have interests."
"Not that they ever attacked a US Naval ship, flying a huge US storm flag, in daylight conditions of perfect visibility! "
OH yes they did. North Africa 1943
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Somebody needs to let Isreal cut loose and shred some of the morons in the Middle East. Hell, they have been fighting for 2,000 years and have war down to a science. Just my two bits. :)
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I was wrong. The French shot at the US Navy in 1942
http://www.internet-esq.com/ussaugusta/torch/
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"Despite prior conflicts, I think the British Commonwealth, Germanic and Scandanavian nations are our best friends, overall. Just my opinion..."
"Countries don't have friends, they have interests."
"Not that they ever attacked a US Naval ship, flying a huge US storm flag, in daylight conditions of perfect visibility! "
OH yes they did. North Africa 1943
The Enemy (Israel) of my Enemy (Basically the entire Middle East) is my FRIEND (ISRAEL)
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If the missle did what the Iranians claimed it did (big if), I got $10 on the next 30 days to hit the missle production facility and or fixed launch platforms.
If the missle was a big put on, the IAF will do nothing.
Ratcatcher, according to Yahoo news yesterday, ( AP for what that's worth) Pentagon sources verified that performance exceeded our expectations. (I don't have the link)
Angie, The reason they shot up the USS Liberty was because it was an NCA intelligence ship and they did not want us to know just how badly they were slaughtering the Egyptians. The US AND USSR would have pushed for a cease fire, but a lesson needed to be taught.
Besides, half the IDF lives in NY, no joke, when the IDF mobilizes their reserves you can not get a seat becuase of all the Jews reporting for duty. When Bibi's brother Jonathan Netanyahu was killed on the Entebbe raid 4 July 76 his home of record was his parents address in Boston.
And the French have NEVER been our freinds, the only reason they helped us during the Revolution was to keep England from massing forces against them. We wound up fighting an undeclared naval war against them in 1800.
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from tombogan,..
And the French have NEVER been our friends, the only reason they helped us during the Revolution was to keep England from massing forces against them. We wound up fighting an undeclared naval war against them in 1800.
Oui! Oui! Massuer! ;)
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Without going into to much detail I can say that during the cold war, we kept a real close eye on the French Naval Forces, surfaced and submerged. Doubt things are much different today.
We trust the French only so far which is about the range of a Mark 48 torpedo....
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France, Spain, ____________ fill in the blank country is going to sit on their hands and let the IDF and US DOD deal with anything that happens in that region. Their only going to come up for air when the dust settles and there are contracts for weapons/re-construction.
As for an Iranian missile launch. That is barely a threat. The only way the Iranian military is going to launch a missile/bomb is on the back of one of their donkey carts! First, because their most advanced missile technology is Photoshop! Second, because Israel will not allow Iran to develop a robust missile based nuclear attack capability.
The nuclear threat in that region remains low because of the IDF nuclear arsenal. I sleep well at night knowing that should any country (Iran, Syria, etc) attempt a nuclear based attack, that Mecca and 1 billion Muslims are going to reach 10 million degrees in very short order! And even the radical jihadists know it.
The threat will remain the destabilizing effects of Islamic based terrorism. Infiltration of western society/popular culture by a Muslim population intent on western conversion to Islamic fundamentalism. And Islamic leadership that are the puppets of fundamentalist clerics or are themselves clerics. O and B ho!
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France, Spain, ____________ fill in the blank country is going to sit on their hands and let the IDF and US DOD deal with anything that happens in that region. Their only going to come up for air when the dust settles and there are contracts for weapons/re-construction.
As for an Iranian missile launch. That is barely a threat. The only way the Iranian military is going to launch a missile/bomb is on the back of one of their donkey carts! First, because their most advanced missile technology is Photoshop! Second, because Israel will not allow Iran to develop a robust missile based nuclear attack capability.
The nuclear threat in that region remains low because of the IDF nuclear arsenal. I sleep well at night knowing that should any country (Iran, Syria, etc) attempt a nuclear based attack, that Mecca and 1 billion Muslims are going to reach 10 million degrees in very short order! And even the radical jihadists know it.
The threat will remain the destabilizing effects of Islamic based terrorism. Infiltration of western society/popular culture by a Muslim population intent on western conversion to Islamic fundamentalism. And Islamic leadership that are the puppets of fundamentalist clerics or are themselves clerics. O and B ho!
You really don't keep up with the news very much do you. For starters, while the french may be a bunch arrogant surrender monkeys Spain has been one of our most reliable allies in the war on terror, while they DID pull their troops out of Iraq after the Madrid train bombing, they have continued to be of great assistance in the intelligence war against terror world wide.
Secondly just this past weekend Iran launched a missile successfully that OUR military says has sufficient range to hit Isreal, their nuke weapons program has not been secret for the last 15 years and it is assumed that they have between 5-15 either assembled or awaiting assembly.
You also seem to have missed hearing about last winters raid by Israel on a Syrian weapons facility where they also landed Special Ops troops and seized material that included N Korean advisers, it is generally believed that this was where Saddam's weapons programs went to.
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You really don't keep up with the news very much do you. For starters, while the french may be a bunch arrogant surrender monkeys Spain has been one of our most reliable allies in the war on terror, while they DID pull their troops out of Iraq after the Madrid train bombing, they have continued to be of great assistance in the intelligence war against terror world wide.
Secondly just this past weekend Iran launched a missile successfully that OUR military says has sufficient range to hit Isreal, their nuke weapons program has not been secret for the last 15 years and it is assumed that they have between 5-15 either assembled or awaiting assembly.
You also seem to have missed hearing about last winters raid by Israel on a Syrian weapons facility where they also landed Special Ops troops and seized material that included N Korean advisers, it is generally believed that this was where Saddam's weapons programs went to.
NAAAA!! We all KNOW Sadam never had any!
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I still have never been able to figure out why we let that bastard stay in power after we kicked thier ass the 1st time.
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I still have never been able to figure out why we let that bastard stay in power after we kicked thier ass the 1st time.
Ask Colin Powell.
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Despite prior conflicts, I think the British Commonwealth, Germanic and Scandanavian nations are our best friends, overall. Just my opinion...
Angie, last time I checked, these countries are not in the Middle East. As I said in my post, Israel is our only true ally in that area. The rest of your reply has already been refuted by the good Mr. Bogan, so I won't waste my time. I have never been offended just because someone has a different point of view, but if your going to be so condescending the least you could do is actually read the post your attacking. Aside from that, welcome to the forum. Hopefully our future exchanges can be a little more civil.
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I still have never been able to figure out why we let that bastard stay in power after we kicked thier ass the 1st time.
Because Bush Dad did not want to deal with the factional fighting and Nation building BS that Bush son got stuck with. The Libs bash W for invading Iraq but it was something that would need to be done as long as Saddam was in power. What westerners Especially self righteous liberals have a hard time understanding, ( and I think Ratcatcher will confirm this) to their way of thinking Saddam won Gulf war 1. His army got wrecked, and he had to pull out of Kuwait, but he was still securely in power, he didn't lose any territory, he still had a free hand to crush the Shiites and Kurds, He still had the Kuwaiti gold reserves that he stole ($800 MILLION) and the billions he owed other Arab countries for the war against Iran was written off as bad debt. Trying to get oil and money to pay that debt was his objective in invading in the first place, so even though his army was crushed and Kuwait was liberated he still achieved his objective, that makes it a win. As we all know the real issues could not be settled, victory of the west would not be accepted by the Arab world, as long as Saddam stayed in power, so a second war was inevitable.
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Because Bush Dad did not want to deal with the factional fighting and Nation building BS that Bush son got stuck with. The Libs bash W for invading Iraq but it was something that would need to be done as long as Saddam was in power. What westerners Especially self righteous liberals have a hard time understanding, ( and I think Ratcatcher will confirm this) to their way of thinking Saddam won Gulf war 1. His army got wrecked, and he had to pull out of Kuwait, but he was still securely in power, he didn't lose any territory, he still had a free hand to crush the Shiites and Kurds, He still had the Kuwaiti gold reserves that he stole ($800 MILLION) and the billions he owed other Arab countries for the war against Iran was written off as bad debt. Trying to get oil and money to pay that debt was his objective in invading in the first place, so even though his army was crushed and Kuwait was liberated he still achieved his objective, that makes it a win. As we all know the real issues could not be settled, victory of the west would not be accepted by the Arab world, as long as Saddam stayed in power, so a second war was inevitable.
Yep. Maybe Bushdaddy recognized the culture better than most. The culture recognizes strength...aka Colonel Momar Quadaffi, Sadam Hussein, etc. Yak, yak, yak...we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, yak, yak, yak, until you punch them in the nose and then they bow down to you just like out BHO did in Saudi. Iron fist...that's what rules in the region and the population will not be orderly without that.
Take a look at Colonel Momar...yak, yak, yak....F-111 and bombs, couple of splash downs in the Med...no more yak-yak....he did oversee Lockerbee after that, but quietly. Once exposed...he didn't say a lot about anything...bow down. Now, look at his playbook, he was doing footsee with the terrorist but by the mid-90's he had his own problems with the iman dudes. What...you didn't hear about that....well, look it up for yourself...the imans were yak-yak-yak squawking about the same things they do in the Middle East...however, Colonel Momar reminded them he was the ruler...and they disappeared...no more yak-yak from the population, he zeroed out the imans and now he has no political dissent. That's what works, if you disagree fine, but they are not like your neighbors next door and history shows they respond well to the iron fist.
Without going into to much detail I can say that during the cold war, we kept a real close eye on the French Naval Forces, surfaced and submerged. Doubt things are much different today.
We trust the French only so far which is about the range of a Mark 48 torpedo....
Obviously an inside joke...and I do get it and appreciate it.
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Oddly enough, because of the treatment he received from the extremists after spending bunches of money and getting his country bombed and embargoed, Libya has shifted decisively toward the west. The Kahdaffi regime is actively assisting in the War on terror and there is popular support for further easing relations as the Libyan people want to trade.