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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Overload on May 27, 2009, 12:32:35 AM
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Is it worth the paperwork, hassle, and the fact I'd be added to the Persons of Interest List here in Colorado (so if I'm pulled over, when the officer runs me through the computer, he'll know I'm a CCW, and act accordingly), to get a CCW to legally carry a handgun the small percentage of time I'm not at: My Home, My Car, My Business, all places I can CCW without a license?
Oh, and the governor vetoed the bill that would have added an advantage to the CCW: bypass the regular paperwork when I buy a gun.
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Yes. And for three very good reasons. The first is the same reason you have the gun in "your house, your work, your vehicle". Its better to have and not need, than need and not have. The second is that by filling out paperwork and running through whatever maze you have to in Co., you are adding an extra layer of legal protection if you ever DO have to shoot someone, even in an environment where the CW isnt strictly required like your car. Why go through the uncertainty of Barney Fife and an Aspen DA deciding whether you had the gun legally or not, when you can drop a hundred bucks and remove all doubt. Thirdly, it lets you keep a gun in your car legally in a lot of states where its otherwise taboo (assuming they reciprocate with Co.). Just my .02
FQ13
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WOW! I must need sleep, but I actually agree with FQ on this one.
Added to what he mentioned, you will have to leave one of those places to move to the next and those are most likely the times bad things will happen. So unless you don't travel to anywhere but home and work and are able to park your car securely in each of those places, you will be safer with a concealed weapon on your person.
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WOW! I must need sleep, but I actually agree with FQ on this one.
Added to what he mentioned, you will have to leave one of those places to move to the next and those are most likely the times bad things will happen. So unless you don't travel to anywhere but home and work and are able to park your car securely in each of those places, you will be safer with a concealed weapon on your person.
You know, Tom and I have had this happen, and it does kind of freak you out. Personally, after the second Shiner Bock, I find it all gets better. 8)
FQ13
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If your up to handling the reasonabilty of CCW and are willing to put in the hours training, by all means get it.
If your not willing to train, you should not carry.
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Get it.
It will be harder to ban, take away something you have, than "discourage" you to not get it. The costs can be made higher, the regulations can be made tougher and filled with red tape, the 2nd Amend, doesn't cover states requirements for CCW permits.
Remember,, Eric Holder may try (keyword) to put Federal Regs. on CCW permits, and can use money to states to "bully" a tougher registration process. Psych. evals., medical history, etc,...on a Fed level.
Here in Fl, having one makes purchasing easier, no waiting period.
As previously posted, it adds credibility to a citizen in possession of a firearm. Whether pulled over for a burned out brake light, or God Forbid, having to shoot to defend yourself and/or family.
That means I agree with FQ also. ::)
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Yes - get the permit. In addition to the reasons above, you'll also be reminding the state and interested parties that there is one more law abiding citizen out there carrying a gun for self defense and enjoying his 2nd amendment rights. Assuming that like the rest of us you can do so without causing murder and mayhem, you'll also be yet another demonstration that guns can be carried and used safely. You may even prove to be part of a deterrent to crime if the bad guys notice the growing number of CCW holders.
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Get it.
I found the Colorado CHP (it's called Concealed Handgun Permit here) too easy to get, IMHO.
Last time I got pulled over they didn't even bother to run my plates so the officer had no idea I was carrying until I told him.
Better to have it and not need it ....
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Colorado is becoming overrun with crazies
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YES!
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YES...YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Okay, this is going to sound stupid, but in Idaho it is called a CWP or Concealed Weapons Permit, What does CCW stand for?
And yes you should get one and then get the Utah one.
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CCW = Concealed Carry Weapon (permit).
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Here in the Peoples Republic, we call them LTC...."License to Carry" as MA has no concealed carry requirement. Open carry is legal though not adviseable.
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Funny how the term changes but it is still the same thing. Here it's called CHL = Concealed Handgun License.
Do they also do different classes in other states? You have 2 options here. You can qualify for NSA (Non Semi-Auto) meaning you can only carry a revolver or SA (Semi-Auto) which allows you to carry a revolver or semi-auto. It all depends on what you take the shooting portion of the test with. Qualify with a revolver, that's all you get. I don't know anyone personally that doesn't just borrow a semi-auto if they don't have one to take the course.The other thing I like, there is no limit to how many weapons you can carry with you... If you can conceal it, you can carry it. Not sure if that is the same else where too.
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Funny how the term changes but it is still the same thing. Here it's called CHL = Concealed Handgun License.
Do they also do different classes in other states? You have 2 options here. You can qualify for NSA (Non Semi-Auto) meaning you can only carry a revolver or SA (Semi-Auto) which allows you to carry a revolver or semi-auto. It all depends on what you take the shooting portion of the test with. Qualify with a revolver, that's all you get. I don't know anyone personally that doesn't just borrow a semi-auto if they don't have one to take the course.The other thing I like, there is no limit to how many weapons you can carry with you... If you can conceal it, you can carry it. Not sure if that is the same else where too.
I have to say I like the system in Tx. where I got my first permit. I thought the class was informative, and the practical "test" made sense. But that revolver/semi thing struck me as the dumbest thing ever. Do you know what the reason for that is? Was it just something stuck in from LEO qualifications or what?
FQ13
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Is it worth the paperwork, hassle, and the fact I'd be added to the Persons of Interest List here in Colorado (so if I'm pulled over, when the officer runs me through the computer, he'll know I'm a CCW, and act accordingly), to get a CCW to legally carry a handgun the small percentage of time I'm not at: My Home, My Car, My Business, all places I can CCW without a license?
Oh, and the governor vetoed the bill that would have added an advantage to the CCW: bypass the regular paperwork when I buy a gun.
Even if you never carry, get it to "exercise your right" and the more CCW's the better for us all.
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Yes, by all means! In the Great State of Michigan, CCW is what your are charged with for carrying concealed illegally. (Carrying a Concealed Weapon). You apply for your CPL (Concealed Pistol License). CCW has morphed to mean the same thing. It is a huge responsibility. That means in addition to abiding to all the laws (and restrictions in some places) you should also maintain competency in your shooting ability and knowledge of concealed carry laws of your state and any you may travel through. Best of Luck.
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I have to say I like the system in Tx. where I got my first permit. I thought the class was informative, and the practical "test" made sense. But that revolver/semi thing struck me as the dumbest thing ever. Do you know what the reason for that is? Was it just something stuck in from LEO qualifications or what?
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Only thing I can figure is, if all you know is wheel guns, you wouldn't be safe carrying semi-auto?? I guess considering semi-auto are in general more complicated than revolvers, so if you have control over the semi-auto then a revolver wouldn't be a problem for you. But that isn't true for transitioning from a revolver to a semi.
That's my thinking on it at least. Too lazy to look up accurate info on it.
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Only thing I can figure is, if all you know is wheel guns, you wouldn't be safe carrying semi-auto?? I guess considering semi-auto are in general more complicated than revolvers, so if you have control over the semi-auto then a revolver wouldn't be a problem for you. But that isn't true for transitioning from a revolver to a semi.
That's my thinking on it at least. Too lazy to look up accurate info on it.
most modern autos work exactly like revolers, in that all you have to do is pull the tirgger to make them go bang.
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most modern autos work exactly like revolers, in that all you have to do is pull the tirgger to make them go bang.
WOW TAB... Thanks, now I don't feel so stupid for trying to cram my Para 14-45 mag into the cylinder of my GP100 since they work exactly alike. DUH!
Last time I checked... they do load and cycle just a TINY bit different.
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most modern autos work exactly like revolers, in that all you have to do is pull the tirgger to make them go bang.
With the exception of SA autos, and SA revolvers.
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Only thing I can figure is, if all you know is wheel guns, you wouldn't be safe carrying semi-auto?? I guess considering semi-auto are in general more complicated than revolvers, so if you have control over the semi-auto then a revolver wouldn't be a problem for you. But that isn't true for transitioning from a revolver to a semi.
That's my thinking on it at least. Too lazy to look up accurate info on it.
You'd be surprised at how many little old ladies, and even some men, bring loaded revolvers with the hammer cocked into our local range and even some local gun shops and once at the police station (I'm sure that this happens all over the Country). They'd been messing around and didn't know how to decock the weapon. I've seen this with a few shotguns too.
When I see someone suggest that women are better off with a revolver, I reflect on the times that I've seen that. Not as many semi-autos come in with problems like that. Could be that it's easier to figure out how to get all of the bullets out by either dropping the mag and emptying the chamber, or maybe they just keep cycling the slide until the gun is dry. It could also be that more inexperienced people just stay away from autos.
If we tell inexperienced shooter to buy revolvers, maybe we tell them to get DAO.
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By all means get it! I live in Ohio and was able to get PA. before Ohio and then New Hampshire and Florida. I got the others because they covered more states and made traveling easier. Now that Ohio has more agreements with other states I am letting Florida lapse (only loosing one state). You will find that you are more aware of speed and RR (road rage). "An armed society is a polite society"
FWIW
Richard
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You'd be surprised at how many little old ladies, and even some men, bring loaded revolvers with the hammer cocked into our local range and even some local gun shops and once at the police station (I'm sure that this happens all over the Country). They'd been messing around and didn't know how to decock the weapon. I've seen this with a few shotguns too.
When I see someone suggest that women are better off with a revolver, I reflect on the times that I've seen that. Not as many semi-autos come in with problems like that. Could be that it's easier to figure out how to get all of the bullets out by either dropping the mag and emptying the chamber, or maybe they just keep cycling the slide until the gun is dry. It could also be that more inexperienced people just stay away from autos.
If we tell inexperienced shooter to buy revolvers, maybe we tell them to get DAO.
bobbed hammer.... works even against little old ladies.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/100_0459.jpg)
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Tom,
I have that same little JIT slide for both my snubbie and for my 1911 among others. They are pretty comfy and versitile for a 20 dollar holster aren't they?
Don Hume I think.....
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bobbed hammer.... works even against little old ladies.
…and hopefully, FOR old ladies! That's what I'm talking about. I love it. …and the weight of steel.
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By all means get it! I live in Ohio and was able to get PA. before Ohio and then New Hampshire and Florida. I got the others because they covered more states and made traveling easier. Now that Ohio has more agreements with other states I am letting Florida lapse (only loosing one state). You will find that you are more aware of speed and RR (road rage). "An armed society is a polite society"
FWIW
Richard
Be CAREFUL, some states only honor an out of state permit if you are a resident of that state.
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Be CAREFUL, some states only honor an out of state permit if you are a resident of that state.
True, but my non-resident NH permit gets me more states than my MA does....
http://www.nraila.org/recmap/usrecmap.aspx
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I didn't know ANY other states honored Ma.
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I didn't know ANY other states honored Ma.
Honor MA permits.....Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan (MA resident only), Missouri, Montana, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont
Permits that MA honors...bupkiss.....
I'm driving to OH in July and trying to get permits to make the trip without having to safe my firearm when I cross certain state lines. Just can't get out of here without driving through New York...it sucks....
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If I ever get my CPL for Michigan I'll be covered in 2/3 of the other states too. I didn't know it covered THAT many.
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CCW is like using a seat belt...hope you don't need it. ??? ??? However you never know when it could save your life. ;) ;D
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I'd like to add one other question. Should you get a CCW if you I don't think you're going to carry? Owning a gun is an awesome responsibility, and you must be prepared mentally to use it against another person if you carry or have it for defensive use. I'd hope some part of CCW training is about more than how to handle your gun safely and how to shoot it, more than drawing and accuracy. If you hear a noise in your house, do you investigate it or barricade yourself in a defensive position hoping the noise doesn't try and break in on you?
I'm glad The Best Defense had an episode on the aftermath of a shooting. Many of the episodes talked about avoiding the need to use a gun, by not being in a dangerous situation. But, there was nothing about the mindset of carrying a gun (so far). I can't remember, but during Convenience Store Robbery, where was the option of letting the armed robber take the money and leave the store? I'll take it a step further: he shoots the clerk after getting the money. That's still not a green light to shoot him, especially if he's then leaving and posing no risk to you. Even more so than cops, it isn't our job to play the hero, right? Our job is to protect ourselves and our family, PERIOD, correct?
(sorry if this reply is evolving the topic too far in a different direction. My stream of consciousness wanders, often)
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Actually, the TX CPL course spent most of its time on this. At least where I took it, MacBrides Guns in Austin. I really did not anticipate a Tx. gun store owner spending a lot of time on the touchy feely stuff, but thats what we did. We went over the law, thoroughly, spent a cursory amount of time on "how to", as you were expected to pass a pratical exam the next day and either you would or you wouldn't pass. Where we spent most of the 4 hour course was going over shoot, don't shoot scenarios, anger management and SD tactics that focused on deescalating a confrontation before a weapon was required. Verbal Judo, the instructor termed it, and it was solid advice. The basic idea was that you win a gun fight by never having to draw your gun. Walk away humiliated, but you still walk away, you win. It was darn good advice for a 25 year old guy, and worth the $75 I spent for that alone.
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