Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on June 03, 2009, 06:11:53 AM
Title: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Hazcat on June 03, 2009, 06:11:53 AM
June 02, 2009 6:58 PM
ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report: The other day we heard a comment from a White House aide that never would have been uttered during the primaries or general election campaign.
During a conference call in preparation for President Obama's trip to Cairo, Egypt, where he will address the Muslim world, deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Denis McDonough said "the President himself experienced Islam on three continents before he was able to -- or before he's been able to visit, really, the heart of the Islamic world -- you know, growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father -- obviously Muslim Americans (are) a key part of Illinois and Chicago."
Given widespread unease and prejudice against Muslims among Americans, especially in the wake of 9/11, the Obama campaign was perhaps understandably very sensitive during the primaries and general election to downplay the candidate's Muslim roots.
The candidate was even offended when referred to by his initials "BHO," because he considered the use of his middle name, "Hussein," an attempt to frighten voters.
With insane rumors suggesting he was some sort of Muslim Manchurian candidate, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and his campaign did everything they could to emphasize his Christianity and de-emphasize the fact that his father, Barack Obama Sr., was born Muslim.
The candidate's comment at a Boca Raton, Florida, town hall meeting on May 22, 2008, was typical: "My father was basically agnostic, as far as I can tell, and I didn't know him," he said.
In September 2008, candidate Obama told a Pennsylvania crowd, "I know that I'm not your typical presidential candidate and I just want to be honest with you. I know that the temptation is to say, 'You know what? The guy hasn't been there that long in Washington. You know, he's got a funny name. You know, we're not sure about him.' And that's what the Republicans when they say this isn't about issues, it's about personalities, what they're really saying is, 'We're going to try to scare people about Barack. So we're going to say that, you know, maybe he's got Muslim connections.'...Just making stuff up."
Back then, the campaign's "Fight the Smears" website addressed the candidate's faith without mentioning his father's religion:
"Barack Obama is a committed Christian. He was sworn into the Senate on his family Bible. He has regularly attended church with his wife and daughters for years. But shameful, shadowy attackers have been lying about Barack’s religion, claiming he is a Muslim instead of a committed Christian. When people fabricate stories about someone’s faith to denigrate them politically, that’s an attack on people of all faiths. Make sure everyone you know is aware of this deception."
The website also provided quotes from the Boston Globe and Newsweek mentioning his father's roots.
Since the election, however, with the threat of the rumors at least somewhat abated, the White House has been increasingly forthcoming about the president's roots. Especially when reaching out to the Muslim world.
In his April 6 address to the Turkish Parliament, President Obama referenced how many "Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim majority country. I know, because I am one of them."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/abc-news-jake-tapper-and-sunlen-miller-report-the-other-day-we-heard-a-comment-from-a-white-house-aide-that-neverwould-have.html Comments at link
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Rastus on June 03, 2009, 06:34:48 AM
I am so at ease now.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: MikeBjerum on June 03, 2009, 07:22:09 AM
Haz,
You are in full form this morning!
I had such a good day yesterday - New rear tire on the bike (painful, but an hour of drooling over new bikes in the showroom), 250 miles on said bike on beautiful winding roads ... at least until the sun went down and the mercury plummeted, and four great stages of challenging shooting - even the classifier was a fun and busy stage (easy street for you IPSC shooters).
Now this morning the cat is posting one issue right after another. All real world things we need to know and act on, but what a way to start the day after ... Kinda like getting the little blue pill to work and then 15 seconds later lighting the cigarette :-\ ooooops ... headed for corner time :-[
Seriously, and giving you all a chance to get back on topic, Thanks for the heads up on many issues Haz! You provide the radar blips we all need to see. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: pops1911 on June 03, 2009, 11:48:43 AM
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on June 03, 2009, 09:11:15 PM
Ok.. I really am deep in thought over this. I have spent the last 2 hours literally pouring over research trying to find out more on this. I got this email... from a very respected friend.. here it is: Michelle Obama trip.......Interesting information!....It explains a lot!
I was at Blockbusters on Saturday renting videos; I was going along the wall, and here was a video called "Obama". I told the men next to me that I wouldn't waste my time. We started talking about Obama.
These guys were Arabs, and I asked them why they thought Michele Obama headed home following her visit in France instead of traveling on to Saudi Arabia and Turkey with her husband.
They said she couldn't go to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or Iraq.
I said "Laura Bush went to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Dubai."
They answered, "Obama is a Muslim, and by Muslim law, he would not be allowed to bring his wife into the countries that accept Sharia Law."
Just thought it was interesting that the Arabs at Blockbuster's accept the idea that we're being led by a Muslim who follows the Islamic creed. They also said that's the reason he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. It was a signal to the Muslim world.
Just thought you would like to know.
Odd, I thought HE SAID he was a Christian. Now he wouldn't lie to us would he?
Lots of questions and information adding are popping up in my head...
""The grand mufti of Egypt has invited US President Barack Obama to address Muslims around the globe from Egypt’s Al Azhar mosque – one of the most important mosques in the Muslim world. It is highly unusual for a non-Muslim to speak at the mosque, according to World Net Daily news website, and an Egyptian official it contacted could not think of any non-Muslim world leader who had previously received an invitation""
When did Muslim’s start allowing ‘Christians’ to enter and give speeches in their mosques? My own conclusion is....In keeping with tradition ....I guess they are not inviting a non Muslim.
Mrs. Obama did skip Turkey last month when the Obamas were on their European tour. She said she chose to return to her children instead of accompanying her husband to Ankara and Istanbul.
0bama has not traveled with his wife to any Muslim country, and that no official Muslim leader ever travels with his wife. Past presidents have gone with all their wives, but they have all been “Christian,” which means they are already understood to not follow the Muslim way.
If true, then this shows one of two things. First, that 0bama respects the Muslim tradition enough to not bring his wife along. The second, that 0bama really is a Muslim and is only doing what is right for a Muslim. It also ties in with his deep bow to the Saudi prince a month ago...
Not one place actually has an answer to this... except.. dear old snopes .. who I do not trust all the time.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/sharia.asp
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 03, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
M'lette, leaving the whole "he's a secret muslim" thing aside, there is nothing that prohibits a man from traveling with his wife in Sharia. Its only women who can't travel without a male relative. I think that by applying Occams razor, we can explain Michelles absence by A not wanting to go to the middle east in the summer. B not wanting to suffer the sexism that she'd have to put up with there at any time of the year and C the fact she's got two small kids at home. I'm just saying. FQ13
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: runstowin on June 03, 2009, 10:21:27 PM
Remember, Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 03, 2009, 10:24:40 PM
Knee jerk reactions : Blame Bush, Defend BO
I suggest some Right Guard.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Rastus on June 03, 2009, 10:26:12 PM
Liberal Rant ON: Gosh Runny, you don't really believe that, do you? We are all really just alike....how can you say that? You might be a RWE. That isn't true, I wasn't raised that way and they weren't either....because I say so. Liberal Rant OFF.
Liberals don't make any sense, do they?
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 03, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
Our book says "Thou shall not bear false witness" theirs says "You will not be friends with a jew or a Christian unless you are setting them up for the kill" And don't forget to beat your wives !
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Pathfinder on June 04, 2009, 05:37:02 AM
M'lette, leaving the whole "he's a secret muslim" thing aside, there is nothing that prohibits a man from traveling with his wife in Sharia. Its only women who can't travel without a male relative. I think that by applying Occams razor, we can explain Michelles absence by A not wanting to go to the middle east in the summer. B not wanting to suffer the sexism that she'd have to put up with there at any time of the year and C the fact she's got two small kids at home. I'm just saying. FQ13
A and C are irrelevant. B is part of the answer - she is very strong-willed and would not tolerate the traditional mooslim wife's role - with which she would have to comply in those countries. There is nothing she could do as 1st lady in the traditional US way, as it would not be allowed by the powers in those countries from a mooslim's wife.
bho is such a blank slate the the American people still do not know what they have elected.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2009, 08:47:02 AM
A and C are irrelevant. B is part of the answer - she is very strong-willed and would not tolerate the traditional mooslim wife's role - with which she would have to comply in those countries. There is nothing she could do as 1st lady in the traditional US way, as it would not be allowed by the powers in those countries from a mooslim's wife.
bho is such a blank slate the the American people still do not know what they have elected.
I have to disagree with you, to a woman from Chicago 110+ degrees would be VERY relevant ! ;D You are right about "C" though, it's only "Neglecting" your kids in favor of career when a conservative like Sarah Palin does it, NEVER when the subject is an "Empowered" socialist.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tt11758 on June 04, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
Quote
bho is such a blank slate the the American people still do not know what they have elected.
Being a blamk slate is what got him elected. Who the hell would've voted for him had he shown his true colors before the election?
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2009, 01:03:18 PM
His colors were plain to any one who bothered to look
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tt11758 on June 04, 2009, 01:20:03 PM
They were too busy drinking the kool-aid.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2009, 01:24:35 PM
I was looking for the video's with the Stalinist art work and the photo of the Che Guevara poster and Cuban flag in the Obama Campaign office, but could not find them when I searched.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Hazcat on June 04, 2009, 01:26:47 PM
I was looking for the video's with the Stalinist art work and the photo of the Che Guevara poster and Cuban flag in the Obama Campaign office, but could not find them when I searched.
Gone missing, huh? Gee, there's a suprise! ::)
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2009, 01:28:56 PM
No I was looking in the forum archives and probably did not use a specific enough search term, I only looked in Politics and they may have been in the Cafe, but I found enough to make my point.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: Pathfinder on June 04, 2009, 08:31:02 PM
I have to disagree with you, to a woman from Chicago 110+ degrees would be VERY relevant ! ;D You are right about "C" though, it's only "Neglecting" your kids in favor of career when a conservative like Sarah Palin does it, NEVER when the subject is an "Empowered" socialist.
From personal experience I know that when it is 95 degrees and 90+ percent humidity in Chicago during the summer, the desert ain't got anything on that! ;D
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 04, 2009, 08:54:51 PM
True, I've been in La. when it was 95/95% and I've been in Ca when it was 110/ 5%, if you were out of the direct sun the 110 was much better.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: runstowin on June 04, 2009, 11:16:37 PM
Liberal Rant ON: Gosh Runny, you don't really believe that, do you? We are all really just alike....how can you say that? You might be a RWE. That isn't true, I wasn't raised that way and they weren't either....because I say so. Liberal Rant OFF.
Liberals don't make any sense, do they?
I have been properly put in my place, therefore I apologize to all Muslims who aren't liars. I'm not holding my breath about finding any.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 10, 2009, 09:43:47 PM
This is so simple, I wonder why no one thought of this before . . .
While having little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?
How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities: he traveled with a U.S. passport, a British passport, or with an Indonesian passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America - as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress - the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who'd at least like to know the answers to these easily answered (by Obama) questions.
Title: Re: The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 11, 2009, 09:30:04 PM
I don't want to get into a debate over "where is Obama from" because only he and his dead parents can answer that for sure. The state of Hi. says he was born there and if Hillary and the well funded and ruthless Clinton sleaze machine, which we remember all too well, had gotten a whiff of anything to the contrary, he would have lost the primary. However, I will say two things. The Brits will give you a passport based on your father's citizenship. Secondly, an American can't leggally travel to Cuba, but tens of thousans do every year, either for good reasons (visiting family members) or because they are pro-Fidel morons. All you have to do is travel via Mexico and the Cubans won't stamp your passport. FQ13