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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: red364 on June 03, 2009, 03:03:03 PM
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The ups guy came to the house today! I was all smiley and happy to open my package from S&W.
BUT, the gun that was in the box was not mine!! :'( Granted, it WAS a ppk/s, but I bet that guy from Texas wants it more than I do. Now it turns out, I get to wait another month or so for mine..... bummer, hope I get mine next go around!!
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Now THAT sucks.....and I mean TRULY SUCKS..........sorry Red.
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Damn! That would frost ya!
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Double bummer! Hope it straightens out quickly.
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You not giving me much encouragement Red,..... To bad it wasn't mine (still waiting for my PPK/S; 5 weeks, sent email) :-\
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Be kind of funny if "that guy from Texas" was a member here ;D
Stinks that they got your hopes up then dumped on you like that.
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Maybe they'll put a j-frame in mine "by accident", Tough,,, UPS or S&W "dropped the ball" when shipping A FIREARM!
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Sorry to her about the SNAFU Red. I like the PPK/S, but mines not a S&W.
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This is something to keep low key! This is the kind of thing anti's will use to do away with shipping of handguns, or any guns for that matter.
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Sorry about the disappointment but you could enjoy his gun until yours arrives. ;D
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Did you purchase the $5000 insurance for $20 when you sent it?
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Nope, I'm a goober, didn't get the insurance. Like Mr. 454 says...I could just play with this one 'til the real one comes along! ;D
Mines not as broke in as this one, but it'll work :)
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Nope, I'm a goober, didn't get the insurance. Like Mr. 454 says...I could just play with this one 'til the real one comes along! ;D
Mines not as broke in as this one, but it'll work :)
Mega bummer getting your hopes up like that. Hope that yours shows up soon. I'd talk to S&W and see if they might compensate the SNAFU somehow. At least a discount on future purchases, maybe a knife or shirt or hat...anything.
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Nothing so exciting as a shirt, but they are gonna throw in an extra magazine for my trouble. That'll work.....I guess ::)
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Take the magazine Red.
Wearing a S&W hat kind of says "Hey, I'm carrying a gun...shoot me first!" ;D
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But Timothy, you did not make a consideration that a shirt that Red may be wearing might make a bad guy think twice about committing a crime??? ;D
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Just received from S&W: after 6 weeks....with my PPK/S, I wanted a reply in regards to status. Can't knock em', they do get back to you.
RE: One Month Status Report Please.
From: Leines, Michelle (MLeines@smith-wesson.com)
Sent: Tue 6/09/09 12:18 PM
To: 'Thomas Watchorn' (twatchorn@hotmail.com)
Good afternoon Thomas,
We still have your pistol. The original estimated turn around was 8 - 12 weeks. Based on the date logged in, you'll see that in the next 2 - 4 weeks.
Have a great day!
Michelle
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Watchorn [mailto:twatchorn@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:08 AM
To: PPK_S Recall
Subject: One Month Status Report Please.
Dear S&W,
You received my PPK/S April 22, 2009, pursuant to the recall. I am inquiring, after a month, for a status/ ETA for its return.
I'm sure you are working as diligently as you can in regard to this matter, but a brief reply/call, to when this pistol will be returned would be appreciated.
Tracking number 1Z3E355W8740495346
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Thomas Christopher Watchorn
twatchorn@hotmail.com
:-[ :-\ :'( >:(
I want all at DRTV to know, when I get my PPK/S back, the large stash of .380 I've been sitting on will be run through this pistol.
(Saving some for posterity, of course, and my Kel-Tec P3AT.) ;)
Pics, range reports, dirty gunporn, you got it. I paid right around $500 bucks for this pistol last year, and it's one I have always wanted.
I never had an issue with it before I sent it back, and I will run the hell out of it when it gets back to ensure it.
Alright, rant off, I think I would feel the same if I got another guy's gun sent by mistake. Sorry red...
Did you try it before you sent it back? ::)
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Just a follow up,,
Did you try it before you sent it back?
I was being sarcastic....... :(
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Just a follow up,,
Did you try it before you sent it back?
I was being sarcastic....... :(
Question for you. I waited on S&W for my PPK/S due to larger beaver tail. Mine is sharp and begins to bite the web of my strong hand after about 50 rds. Have you had the same problem? Mine also worked flawlessly prior to sending it back. They still have both of mine, Regular and Aristocrat. Another thread said that the PPK/S was not meant to shoot hollow points. I've never had a problem with HPs. How about you?
Thanks and good to hear yours will be back soon. I sent mine off in late May so I'll have a while.
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Question for you. I waited on S&W for my PPK/S due to larger beaver tail. Mine is sharp and begins to bite the web of my strong hand after about 50 rds. Have you had the same problem? Mine also worked flawlessly prior to sending it back. They still have both of mine, Regular and Aristocrat. Another thread said that the PPK/S was not meant to shoot hollow points. I've never had a problem with HPs. How about you?
Thanks and good to hear yours will be back soon. I sent mine off in late May so I'll have a while.
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Hello Kid Shelleen, welcome to DRTV, I have not had an issue with the longer tang of the "beavertail". Usually it was the original Walther, or Interarms versions that had the infamous "bite". I do use the mag. extensions and have not had a "bite" issue. The S&W version I have would seem hard to get bit,
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Waltherwithclip.jpg)
With bullet technology, I never heard of a PPK/S not "meant" to shoot hollowpoints. Even from the Walther forum.
I have fired a multitude of rds. through my PPK/S including HP's of all type's. Golden Sabre, Speer Gold Dot, although I prefer the ballistics of Cor-Bon DPX, or Hornady, in .380, all JHP's have performed with no failures. Even Georgia Arms.
Note: I did go to the range and "run" the pistol hard before I carried concealed. 100 rds. target ammo, 50 rds. carry ammo, clean,lube, repeat,(back when .380 ammo was more plentiful), to "break it in" ...etc,..
It does like to be clean, maybe the James Bond legacy has something to do with that, ::), but I hope to get it back with the same reliability I sent it to S&W with.
Hopefully, as S&W catches up, the turnaround time may "speed up" for both of us,..
Tom W.
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Question for you. I waited on S&W for my PPK/S due to larger beaver tail. Mine is sharp and begins to bite the web of my strong hand after about 50 rds. Have you had the same problem? Mine also worked flawlessly prior to sending it back. They still have both of mine, Regular and Aristocrat. Another thread said that the PPK/S was not meant to shoot hollow points. I've never had a problem with HPs. How about you?
Thanks and good to hear yours will be back soon. I sent mine off in late May so I'll have a while.
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Hello Kid Shelleen, welcome to DRTV, I have not had an issue with the longer tang of the "beavertail". Usually it was the original Walther, or Interarms versions that had the infamous "bite". I do use the mag. extensions and have not had a "bite" issue. The S&W version I have would seem hard to get bit,
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Waltherwithclip.jpg)
With bullet technology, I never heard of a PPK/S not "meant" to shoot hollowpoints. Even from the Walther forum.
I have fired a multitude of rds. through my PPK/S including HP's of all type's. Golden Sabre, Speer Gold Dot, although I prefer the ballistics of Cor-Bon DPX, or Hornady, in .380, all JHP's have performed with no failures. Even Georgia Arms.
Note: I did go to the range and "run" the pistol hard before I carried concealed. 100 rds. target ammo, 50 rds. carry ammo, clean,lube, repeat,(back when .380 ammo was more plentiful), to "break it in" ...etc,..
It does like to be clean, maybe the James Bond legacy has something to do with that, ::), but I hope to get it back with the same reliability I sent it to S&W with.
Hopefully, as S&W catches up, the turnaround time may "speed up" for both of us,..
Tom W.
Thanks Tom,
I've run through a lot of Hornady Critical Defense HPs and a lot of Federal Hydra Shok Hps as well. I have never had a jam with any ammo in this little jewel. That's why I've always trusted it for carry. I read about the supposed HP issue on a thread in one of the forums on this site. Despite my personal experience, it concerned me a little. Good to hear from a fellow PPK/S owner that you haven't had any problems either. The bite thing must be just my particular gun. Everyone that has shot it has had the bite marks to show for it. I've never shot my Aristocrat version. It's been a good investment and I've seen other unfired Aristocrats selling for twice what I paid for it.
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I am not that familiar with the Aristocrat version. Is it different in a significant way? I say the Walther porn post and can't discern anything striking.
Regarding bite, gripping high is the rule, except from my own personal exp. with "smaller" pistols. My Kel-Tec P3AT for me, required a different approach to a grip and let's rip firing. Like the Walther, I have to "adjust" my trigger finger to not be too deep in the trigger guard. More of the tip than the pad of the finger. This lowers the "web" of the palm well below the tang to allow the slide to fire and reload without getting a piece of me in the process.
My larger pistols, are gripped high, but the girth of the handle "spreads out" the web of the palm.
I can't see why yours would be more prone to a bite "after 50 rds." could be an indicator of something, in the grip.
Just my .02 cents. Still hope they come back to you in short order, and not get sent to another owner. (OP)
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I am not that familiar with the Aristocrat version. Is it different in a significant way? I say the Walther porn post and can't discern anything striking.
Regarding bite, gripping high is the rule, except from my own personal exp. with "smaller" pistols. My Kel-Tec P3AT for me, required a different approach to a grip and let's rip firing. Like the Walther, I have to "adjust" my trigger finger to not be too deep in the trigger guard. More of the tip than the pad of the finger. This lowers the "web" of the palm well below the tang to allow the slide to fire and reload without getting a piece of me in the process.
My larger pistols, are gripped high, but the girth of the handle "spreads out" the web of the palm.
I can't see why yours would be more prone to a bite "after 50 rds." could be an indicator of something, in the grip.
Just my .02 cents. Still hope they come back to you in short order, and not get sent to another owner. (OP)
Thanks for the tip. I'll try the lower grip. The edge of the lower portion of the beaver tail is sharp and just begins to dig in after a while. The Aristocrat is engraved. The Pic doesn't do it justice. I had to get the image size down to under 200 KB to post. It started as a 4 MB image.
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You should be able to get the edges of the Beavertail polished so they aren't sharp.
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:) :)WOOHOO!!! :) :)
I got mine back today and it's reallymine
Life is good today, well, it would be better if I wasn't at work and could go put the grips on it so it will be complete again...lol
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Let me guess the grips are blue!
Glad to hear you yot it back Red.
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*Heavy sigh* Unfortunately they are not blue :'( But the little red light that comes out of them makes it allright!
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Cool, you got your pistol back, AND you get to put your CT grips on. Then you get to go try it out to make sure it still works and the sights and laser are adjusted THEN you get to take pictures of it so you can post porn ;D
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Congrats red!!!! Please post a range report, How did the "little" mark behind the hammer turn out.
I hate they have to "mark" the thing to show its been back to the mothership for a recall but "sigh".
Maybe I'll watch a James Bond movie and make an offering to the martini gods, and it will speed up mine coming home.
Kid Shelleen, if the beavertail is sharp edged, tom's post of having it "smoothed" should not be too difficult. I figured if it was an issue it would have started biting after 5 or 15 rds.
I have fondled and shot an Interarms version, and IMHO, it seems the S&W Walther is much tighter, in all the machined parts, the tolerances, fit and finish, etc,.. That's why I believe in a "break-in" for lack of a better word, to loosen it up a bit.
It will still out live me, and generations from now, someone on the "Next Generation" DRTV forum will ask, what is this little mark behind the hammer for??? ;)
red, don;t forget to post CT porn, don't clean it before taking pics either,.......(please) some of like em' really dirty.....
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She have to change the name of the thread now ;D
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Congrtas Red !!!
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Good for you Red. Have fun.
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How long is it taking to get back the ppk(s) from S&W? They have had mine since March.
I was in Maine last week and was tempted to drive to Houlton to check on it personally but didn't have the time to drive that far north.
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How long is it taking to get back the ppk(s) from S&W? They have had mine since March.
I was in Maine last week and was tempted to drive to Houlton to check on it personally but didn't have the time to drive that far north.
Yes, ;D Houlton is WAY the heck up there. ;D They (S&W) bought T/C becuase they made good barrels and were between Springfield and Houlton
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After driving from California to Maine you wouldn't think Houlton would be that far out of the way, but it would have added another 500 miles to my 7200 mile ride and taken away time with the family.
i was hoping the Walther would have found it's way back to CA by the time I got home yesterday but it wasn't here.
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How long is it taking to get back the ppk(s) from S&W? They have had mine since March.
I was in Maine last week and was tempted to drive to Houlton to check on it personally but didn't have the time to drive that far north.
pg 2 of this thread I posted my email inquiry, and subsequent reply from S&W. 8-12 weeks was the response.
If your March, it should be anyday. Mine is April 22, and was told 2 to 4 weeks.
Not even a mag, t-shirt, hat, bumper sticker, gift certificate, coupon, voucher, NUTHIN!!!!! >:(
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After driving from California to Maine you wouldn't think Houlton would be that far out of the way, but it would have added another 500 miles to my 7200 mile ride and taken away time with the family.
i was hoping the Walther would have found it's way back to CA by the time I got home yesterday but it wasn't here.
Damn Dude, I at least spread it out, Went from NH to Bay are in 98, Bay area to NH in 2000
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Damn Dude, I at least spread it out, Went from NH to Bay are in 98, Bay area to NH in 2000
We moved from Maine to AZ in 1997. In 2002 I took a job in Northern California so I have been spending most of my time up here although we still have the house back in AZ with 2 of the kids living there. My oldest son still lives in Maine not having moved west with us in 97. We have been making the drive back to Maine about every 2 yrs to visit family, with an occasional flight in between.
I like driving as it does give me a chance to do some shopping along the way. Also on this trip we hit Yellowstone, Cody Firearms Museum, MT Rushmore, Corn Palace and a few places I would like to forget.
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We moved from Maine to AZ in 1997. In 2002 I took a job in Northern California so I have been spending most of my time up here although we still have the house back in AZ with 2 of the kids living there. My oldest son still lives in Maine not having moved west with us in 97. We have been making the drive back to Maine about every 2 yrs to visit family, with an occasional flight in between.
I like driving as it does give me a chance to do some shopping along the way. Also on this trip we hit Yellowstone, Cody Firearms Museum, MT Rushmore, Corn Palace and[size=12pt] a few places I would like to forget. [/size]
Gary Ind ? ;D
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We moved from Maine to AZ in 1997. In 2002 I took a job in Northern California so I have been spending most of my time up here although we still have the house back in AZ with 2 of the kids living there. My oldest son still lives in Maine not having moved west with us in 97. We have been making the drive back to Maine about every 2 yrs to visit family, with an occasional flight in between.
I like driving as it does give me a chance to do some shopping along the way. Also on this trip we hit Yellowstone, Cody Firearms Museum, MT Rushmore, Corn Palace and a few places I would like to forget.
Corn Palace.
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Corn Palace.
Yes, Corn Palace..... Mitchell, SD
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Not even a mag, t-shirt, hat, bumper sticker, gift certificate, coupon, voucher, NUTHIN!!!!! >:(
The day after my gun came home I got two mags...Melissa said she would send one, but I got two instead........woooooo!!!
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The day after my gun came home I got two mags...Melissa said she would send one, but I got two instead........woooooo!!!
Does Melissa have a sister with mags? ::)
Uh, how did you acquire these mags? Purchase? S&W generosity? Lotto?
Those mags in my area are close to $40 bucks. :-\
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My PPK/s arrived today from Houlton.
The note inside the box says they also polished the feed ramp but it doesn't look polished to me.
It would have been nice if they told me it had been shipped. Luckily I was home when UPS dropped it off.
I am happy to have it back!
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Yes, Corn Palace..... Mitchell, SD
I know. I was saying that that was one of the places I wouldn't mind forgetting. On a swing through the upper mid-west we visited Mt. Rushmore, a SAC base with no airplanes and 3 helicopters, Yellowstone, Cody Rodeo, etc. Corn Palace was one of the places that we visited and while I appreciated the art involved, the 2+ hr car ride to see corn nailed to the side of a building was one of the things that trip I could of lived without.
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Good going david! Everyone is getting there's but me,,,,,, :-\
Alright, my whining's over.
How's the dimple behind the trigger? Polishing feed ramp?
As I have posted, I am shooting the heck out of mine when I get it back, if you shoot yours soon, post a report.
My decocker was stiff as hell, prior to the recall, was yours?
Just trying to get some comparative analysis.
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I know. I was saying that that was one of the places I wouldn't mind forgetting. On a swing through the upper mid-west we visited Mt. Rushmore, a SAC base with no airplanes and 3 helicopters, Yellowstone, Cody Rodeo, etc. Corn Palace was one of the places that we visited and while I appreciated the art involved, the 2+ hr car ride to see corn nailed to the side of a building was one of the things that trip I could of lived without.
I love that drive from Yellowstone's east gate to Cody - TR said it was the most beautiful 50 miles in the US.
Did you at least go to the Cabela's just down the road from the Corn Palace? And you had to have stopped in to see Wall Drug too, right? ;D
PS: My Dad did his B-17 flight training at Ellsworth - before it was Ellsworth, before it was a SAC base even. Got buzzed up by Belle Fourche by a B-1 from Ellsworth at about 1000 feet and less than 1/4 mile away. Very loud and very damn impressive.
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Good going david! Everyone is getting there's but me,,,,,, :-\
Alright, my whining's over.
How's the dimple behind the trigger? Polishing feed ramp?
As I have posted, I am shooting the heck out of mine when I get it back, if you shoot yours soon, post a report.
My decocker was stiff as hell, prior to the recall, was yours?
Just trying to get some comparative analysis.
The little punch mark is barely noticeable.
I will try to get to the range tomorrow to try it out. It came back really dirty and needs a good cleaning.
My decocker was stiff if I moved it when the hammer was cocked, but not enough so to bother me and I think it feels about the same now.
I should have taken a picture of the polished feed ramp but forgot to, but it doesn't look like my Para with a polished ramp. It's still dull, not shiney. It may look better after I clean it.
I just disassembled and cleaned off the feed ramp and it does look polished now that it's clean.
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That was almost 22 years ago. I can't remember if there was a Cabela's there or not. We bypassed Wall Drug as my dad had a quiet hatred for "tourist traps". That entire area is amazing. There are so many things I could talk about. Ellsworth was funny. When we stopped there to take the tour, all the base's B-52s had been mothballed and they were waiting for the B-1Bs to be delivered. There were only three Air Force Hueys on the entire base. My dad tried to sneak across a meadow to get a good picture of the bison in Custer State Park. After about 30 mins. of careful stalking, my dad had his shot. We then jumped in the car and rounded a curve where a herd of roughly 5,000 bison were crossing the road, holding us up for an additional 30 mins. There was also the sub freezing temps in early July in Yellowstone not to even begin to mention the beauty contained in that National Park. After the Custer incident, bison were so old hat in Yellowstone. I would love to go back in the winter to see the park snow-covered. It would be living in a post card with the opportunity to leave when the snow gets old.
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Uh, how did you acquire these mags? Purchase? S&W generosity? Lotto?
They're "hush" mags I guess.........maybe they feel a little bad about sending me the wrong gun back. It's defintely all good now though ;D
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We moved from Maine to AZ in 1997. In 2002 I took a job in Northern California so I have been spending most of my time up here although we still have the house back in AZ with 2 of the kids living there. My oldest son still lives in Maine not having moved west with us in 97. We have been making the drive back to Maine about every 2 yrs to visit family, with an occasional flight in between.
I like driving as it does give me a chance to do some shopping along the way. Also on this trip we hit Yellowstone, Cody Firearms Museum, MT Rushmore, Corn Palace and a few places I would like to forget.
Hey, I'm only about 100 miles from the cornhole palace.
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They're "hush" mags I guess.........maybe they feel a little bad about sending me the wrong gun back. It's defintely all good now though ;D
Can"t blame customer service, they always get back to me. Congrats on the "hush" mags...
david, wouldn't that be a great job, dirty up other peoples firearms to "test" them.
Hope the polishing makes it run even smoother.
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Hey, I'm only about 100 miles from the cornhole palace.
I thought THAT one was in San Francisco ?
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I thought THAT one was in San Francisco ?
Nahhh.. too easy :)
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I took my PPK/s to the range today to check it out after getting it back from Houlton.
It functioned flawlessly using Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, Remington FMJ, Magtech JHP, and some WWB's, but that was to be expected as it has always been a reliable gun. I shot 100 rounds total (20 ea).
What I did notice is that the polished ramp has small nicks in it after the range test like some of the rounds were hammered into the ramp face. I never noticed this happening in the past so I'll have to keep an eye on it.
Has anyone else noticed this happening to theirs?