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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: TAB on June 05, 2009, 04:28:43 PM
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I know the crazy for black rifles is dieing down... but I have 4 cmmg striped lowers that I'm never going to use. What are they worth?
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GunsAmerica has them listed at 300 bucks a piece.
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yep.....$300-$350
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Actually, they'e practically worthless. But being a good guy with a big heart guy, I hate to see you suffer. I'll relieve you of two of them at no charge. I'll even pay for shipping to my FFL. ;)
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Actually, they'e practically worthless. But being a good guy with a big heart guy, I hate to see you suffer. I'll relieve you of two of them at no charge. I'll even pay for shipping to my FFL. ;)
I'll take the other 2 - need - um, uh, well, uh, paperweights, yeah, that's it paperweights on the desk. ;D
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Brownells has them starting at $140.00...... the rub is whether they are in stock or not....they have some under $200 in stock.
It's hit and miss.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=26955&title=AR-15%20MOD4SA%20LOWER%20RECEIVER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=26730&title=AR-15%20ZM4%20STRIPPED%20LOWER%20RECEIVER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=27173&title=AR-15/M16%20RA-15%20STRIPPED%20LOWER%20RECEIVER
And complete lowers for $300.00.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=22499&title=AR-15%20LOWER%20RECEIVERS
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Check the completed auctions on Gunbroker to see what some have recently actually sold for is a good way to check what the value might actualyl be at this time. Not sure what California law is on these. If it's a grandfathered item and limited availability it would possible be worth more if you had a buyer in CA.
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Actually, they'e practically worthless. But being a good guy with a big heart guy, I hate to see you suffer. I'll relieve you of two of them at no charge. I'll even pay for shipping to my FFL. ;)
the shiping and transfer fees would be more then I paid for the 5 of them, ( $275 a couple years back)
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the shiping and transfer fees would be more then I paid for the 5 of them, ( $275 a couple years back)
Traveling through OK or Louisiana any time soon? Might take one off your hands to lessen your paperwork problems....
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still have to go thru a FFL as its interstate.
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They are going for $135 around here, which is about $15 more than before the craziness.
-Bidah
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They are going for $135 around here, which is about $15 more than before the craziness.
-Bidah
saw one in a shop last week for $399.
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still have to go thru a FFL as its interstate.
Not on a face to face private transfer, which is what I meant...unless you are an FFL holder in which case you always have to fill out paperwork. Now, California may force this by their law...but it does not apply not in the land of free peoples over here in the Mississippi River watershed.
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Not on a face to face private transfer, which is what I meant...unless you are an FFL holder in which case you always have to fill out paperwork. Now, California may force this by their law...but it does not apply not in the land of free peoples over here in the Mississippi River watershed.
Rastus, Not trying to be argumentive, but I think interstate private sales even face to face are a no no per federal law. Some states may also have state laws prohibiting such sales.
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Rastus, Not trying to be argumentive, but I think interstate private sales even face to face are a no no per federal law. Some states may also have state laws prohibiting such sales.
Oops, ya'll are right and I am wrong. Here ya' go:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60 (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60)
Sales Between Individuals
An individual who does not possess a federal firearms license may not sell a firearm to a resident of another state without first transferring the firearm to a dealer in the purchaser`s state. Firearms received by bequest or intestate succession are exempt from those sections of the law which forbid the transfer, sale, delivery or transportation of firearms into a state other than the transferor`s state of residence.
Also, depending on which one you have you can see the going price from Aimsurplus:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Receivers.html (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Receivers.html)
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We need to get those damn laws changed . . . . >:(
Just saying.
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We need to get those damn laws changed . . . . >:(
Just saying.
Be careful there Path. Yes it would be nice to have a nice uniform rule, but..........The way it is now allows a great deal of state autonomy in private sales. Great if you're in No. Dak. or Tx., not so good if you're in Mass. BUT, if we go to a federal standard, do you really think the least restrictive rules will apply? Its not just a question of Dem vs GOP either. All sorts of federal agencies like ATF, FBI, DEA, Homeland ("expert" witnesses all of them), all of whom have a vested bureacratic interest, and a hundred "good" reasons, will want to stick their noses in regardless of admin. This seems like a case where letting sleepig dogs lie is a good idea on the federal level. The work should be done on the state level. First we make sure Heller is incorporated and then go after this stuff. Nationalizing the 2A is the main priority right now.
FQ13
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Be careful there Path. Yes it would be nice to have a nice uniform rule, but..........The way it is now allows a great deal of state autonomy in private sales. Great if you're in No. Dak. or Tx., not so good if you're in Mass. BUT, if we go to a federal standard, do you really think the least restrictive rules will apply? Its not just a question of Dem vs GOP either. All sorts of federal agencies like ATF, FBI, DEA, Homeland ("expert" witnesses all of them), all of whom have a vested bureacratic interest, and a hundred "good" reasons, will want to stick their noses in regardless of admin. This seems like a case where letting sleepig dogs lie is a good idea on the federal level. The work should be done on the state level. First we make sure Heller is incorporated and then go after this stuff. Nationalizing the 2A is the main priority right now.
FQ13
I don't normally say this, but FQ, you're a dumbass!
It is the freakin' Federal law that prevents Tab from coming to ND and hand delivering my lower in a private sale! Not state laws, but Federal!! . It is those that I would see changed, not impose yet another Federal standard.
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I don't normally say this, but FQ, you're a dumbass!
It is the freakin' Federal law that prevents Tab from coming to ND and hand delivering my lower in a private sale! Not state laws, but Federal!! . It is those that I would see changed, not impose yet another Federal standard.
Actually Path, you're right (not about the dumbass thing). My point is just that if we revisit federal law in regards to individual transfer I think the odds are good that it would serve to tighten intra-state laws. For instance, in TX. you can legally sell by mail to another individual. Do think any fed law enforcement agency is happy about this? Think of the extra funding they're losing. Likewise a lot of FFL holders now don't like doing transfers from non-ffl holders. Don't you think some TX. FFL dealers would point out the "threat to public safety" just so they could get their $25-50 transfer fees? I merely pointed out that once you open the box to further federal review, it might very well be a case of be careful what you wish for. If this makes me a dumbass please do explain.
FQ13
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While I don't want to get into this discussion, don't condemn all of the law in Massachusetts unless you understand them.
I can legally transfer up to four firearms annually to a private citizen, including the AR lowers. I can buy as many handguns, rifles and shotguns every day of the year as long as they're on the list, there are no restrictions on quantity or any waiting period. No, I can't buy ammunition through mail order but I can buy as much as I want from CT, NH, RI, ME, and any other state that surrounds me with the possible exception of NY. Considering I can be in all of those states in about an hour, it's not so bad.
I was able to drive through CT with my long guns and just fill out a registration form to notify the state within seven days. The laws here are different, some might think they are pretty restrictive. I've heard of worse places with waiting periods and from a conversation with my buddy in MI last night, I find it's easier to get a CCW in MA than it is in MI these days.
No it ain't TX or FL but it's far better than CA and NJ, NY, PA, and any number of states that don't allow CCW at all.
Now, back to your argument fellas, by the way.....I could buy those lowers from TAB through an FFL, even in MA. It's not the lower that they have a problem with here, it's the evil suppressor, the evil collapsable stock and the evil bayonet mount...everything else is kosher.........
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Good point Timothy. A lot of us just assume Mass is the EVIL EMPIRE without checking. My bad. There is no argument, at least on my part. I was merely sugesting that opening a review of individual transfers ight now, before Heller is solidified, might not be the best idea. Nothing more.
FQ13
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While I don't want to get into this discussion, don't condemn all of the law in Massachusetts unless you understand them.
I can legally transfer up to four firearms annually to a private citizen, including the AR lowers. I can buy as many handguns, rifles and shotguns every day of the year as long as they're on the list, there are no restrictions on quantity or any waiting period. No, I can't buy ammunition through mail order but I can buy as much as I want from CT, NH, RI, ME, and any other state that surrounds me with the possible exception of NY. Considering I can be in all of those states in about an hour, it's not so bad.
I was able to drive through CT with my long guns and just fill out a registration form to notify the state within seven days. The laws here are different, some might think they are pretty restrictive. I've heard of worse places with waiting periods and from a conversation with my buddy in MI last night, I find it's easier to get a CCW in MA than it is in MI these days.
No it ain't TX or FL but it's far better than CA and NJ, NY, PA, and any number of states that don't allow CCW at all.
Now, back to your argument fellas, by the way.....I could buy those lowers from TAB through an FFL, even in MA. It's not the lower that they have a problem with here, it's the evil suppressor, the evil collapsable stock and the evil bayonet mount...everything else is kosher.........
I thought PA was a shall issue (other than fascist Philly, who breaks the law all the time).
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I thought PA was a shall issue (other than fascist Philly, who breaks the law all the time).
They may be Haz, I've only checked their laws on non-resident permits because I have to drive through the state or NY to get out of the state. I avoid NJ like the plague...no offence Jaybet! ;)
Update: Take PA off the list, they're pretty good about issuing with the illegal exception of Philly as Haz mentioned. My NH permit gets me through PA all the way to the OH border.
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Yeah, as far as gun laws go, we ain't so bad. ;)
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..............Now, back to your argument fellas, by the way.....I could buy those lowers from TAB through an FFL, even in MA. It's not the lower that they have a problem with here, it's the evil supressor, the evil collapsable stock and the evil bayonet mount...everything else is kosher.........
Timothy, buddy.....we need to get you out of those oppressive laws. Especially the one dealing with evil supressors. Do you have family or a great love of the area that keeps you over yonder....you sound like our kind of people over this-a-way.
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Timothy, buddy.....we need to get you out of those oppressive laws. Especially the one dealing with evil supressors. Do you have family or a great love of the area that keeps you over yonder....you sound like our kind of people over this-a-way.
I married a local girl and we have a beautiful young daughter. Neither are going to leave New England anytime soon. I've lived in New England for 27 years and when people ask me where I'm from, I STILL say Michigan!
About 25 years ago, I said "For Better or Worse" and I meant it! Maybe someday I'll get back to God's country, or what's left of it!
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Thsi weekend I found S&W M&P lowers for sale at Gander mountain in Denver for $125.00. I paid $138 for a Rock River 6 months ago.
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Thsi weekend I found S&W M&P lowers for sale at Gander mountain in Denver for $125.00. I paid $138 for a Rock River 6 months ago.
That's a nice price. It's what I was paying last year for them.
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"you're right (not about the dumbass thing)."
That would probably qualify as "a matter of opinion" and they vary.
"A lot of us just assume Mass is the EVIL EMPIRE without checking."
that usually IS a safe assumption. Just because they are not as bad as Ca and NY, doesn't mean they aren't trying, or that their regulations don't generally suck.
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Thsi weekend I found S&W M&P lowers for sale at Gander mountain in Denver for $125.00. I paid $138 for a Rock River 6 months ago.
That is what I'm finding around this area, which is more than they are really worth. There was a big markup on them right after the election. The big fallacy with them is a lot of people were "stocking up" on them because it is really the only part on a AR-15 that requires a 4473 form to be filled out. All the rest, including complete uppers can be bought over the counter or by mail order. So in theory if a person buys 20 stripped lowers now, after they get banned they could assemble 20, AR-15's and have 20 complete rifles at a much lower cost, and at the same time defeat the new ban. The only flaw in that thinking is everyone was thinking and doing it . As they say, run with the sheep and you will be slaughtered. That would be simply too easy for Hussein to legislate around, should he decide to go whole hog with another ban. You very well could wind up at the recycling center with a few pounds of expensive Aluminum scrap. Bill T.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130351708
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"A lot of us just assume Mass is the EVIL EMPIRE without checking."
that usually IS a safe assumption. Just because they are not as bad as Ca and NY, doesn't mean they aren't trying, or that their regulations don't generally suck.
Great point Tom and a lesson for the rest of us. Little by little we get complacent about a small change here and another change there and pretty soon we're all sitting in a big bucket of SUCK. Ammo microstamping, supressors, folding stocks, loaded chamber indicators, 10lb triggers.....the list goes on!
We have the NRA, GOAL, New England Shooters Assn and other grass roots organizations but WE are the line in the sand. We are the ones who can effect change when change is needed. Even I've thought "well, that's not such a bad law!" but I WAS WRONG in that ideology.....more laws don't change anything! They just whittle away at another freedom!