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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Erusen on June 10, 2009, 02:35:15 PM
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SD just got added to the potential vacation destination list:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 5, 2009
CONTACT:
Chris Nelson, Secretary of State
605.773.3537
PIERRE—Secretary of State Chris Nelson announced today that Maine and Virginia have been added to South Dakota’s reciprocity agreements for concealed weapon permit holders from other states.
The State of South Dakota and Maine will honor each other’s concealed weapons permits.
The State of South Dakota and Virginia will honor each other’s concealed weapons permits. The State of Virginia will only recognize South Dakota permits issued to individuals that are at least twenty-one years of age.
South Dakota has reciprocity agreements with the following 25 states: Alabama, Alaska*, Arizona, Colorado*, Florida*, Georgia*, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky*, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan*, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina*, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee*, Texas, Utah*, Virginia*, West Virginia* and Wyoming*. The asterisk (*) denotes the states that recognize only the South Dakota permits issued to individuals that are at least twenty-one years of age.
For more information, please visit the Secretary of State's website at: www.sdsos.gov
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According to NRA as of April 09 BOTH Dakotas recognize NH permits though it is not included in the above list.
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South Dakota has reciprocity agreements with the following 25 states: Alabama, Alaska*, Arizona, Colorado*, Florida*, Georgia*, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky*, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan*, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina*, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee*, Texas, Utah*, Virginia*, West Virginia* and Wyoming*. The asterisk (*) denotes the states that recognize only the South Dakota permits issued to individuals that are at least twenty-one years of age.
I've liked South Dakota for some time now.
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http://www.sdsos.gov/adminservices/concealedpistolpermits.shtm#Recognition (http://www.sdsos.gov/adminservices/concealedpistolpermits.shtm#Recognition)
Recognition
The State of South Dakota recognizes any valid concealed pistol permit issued to a nonresident of South Dakota according to the terms of its issuance in the state of its issue. SDCL 23-7-7.4
Even though your state doesn't have reciprocity with South dakota, they still HONOR any other state's valid CCW permits.
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Isn't it FEDERAL law that you have to be 18 to own a firearm and 21 to own a handgun? I might be mistaken but if not why is SD issuing CCWs to those under 21? At least thats the implication I got from the post. Don't get me wrong, I think 18 is fine, if you're old enough to go to war or be executed, you should be old enough to buy a beer or own (and carry) a gun.
FQ13
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Isn't it FEDERAL law that you have to be 18 to own a firearm and 21 to own a handgun? I might be mistaken but if not why is SD issuing CCWs to those under 21? At least thats the implication I got from the post. Don't get me wrong, I think 18 is fine, if you're old enough to go to war or be executed, you should be old enough to buy a beer or own (and carry) a gun.
FQ13
You are correct. However, owning and carrying are not the same thing. Permits can be issued (for example) to LEO's who are below the age of 21.
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You are correct. However, owning and carrying are not the same thing. Permits can be issued (for example) to LEO's who are below the age of 21.
LEOs under 21? Do they have to have their mom'permisson to take their guns home from work? ::) I mean no offense to teenage cops but that is a job that seems to require a little seasoning and maturity to be done properly.
FQ13
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LEOs under 21? Do they have to have their mom'permisson to take their guns home from work? ::) I mean no offense to teenage cops but that is a job that seems to require a little seasoning and maturity to be done properly.
FQ13
Much like college professors, it varies from one to another.
Seriously, though. I started as a LEO when I was 20 years and change. I could be issued a CCW, but the department had to own the weapon.
And since at that time, most law enforcement degrees were TWO year degrees, there were many reasonably mature, certified, PROFESSIONAL peace officers who had yet to see their 21st birthday.
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Much like college professors, it varies from one to another.
Seriously, though. I started as a LEO when I was 20 years and change. I could be issued a CCW, but the department had to own the weapon.
And since at that time, most law enforcement degrees were TWO year degrees, there were many reasonably mature, certified, PROFESSIONAL peace officers who had yet to see their 21st birthday.
If they've got the degree that's fine. I kind of agree with the army on this. You will generally not make E5 or better (barring battlefeild promotion) in your first enlistment. Not because you're dumb, just because you need some experience first. Its also why they commision 20 or 21 year olds as officers. They figure that 4 years of college and living on your own gives that perspective. I agree with this (mostly) and think if you've held down a job and gotten a degree you're ok. I was just responding to the idea of a cop that just graduated from HS, went to the academy and was out on patrol. I think we would all agree that that is "less than ideal" to put it mildly.
FQ13
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You can enlist in the National guard at 16,(at least you could in 1990) if you are wind up in an MP unit you are carrying a handgun
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You can enlist in the National guard at 16,(at least you could in 1990) if you are wind up in an MP unit you are carrying a handgun
Being an MP and a cop are very different though. You've got a whole lot more discretion as a cop, and a greater chance to ruin someone's life in a fit of immaturity. I'm not bashing cops here, I just want someone with a little bit of life experience under their belt making these calls.
FQ13
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Isn't it FEDERAL law that you have to be 18 to own a firearm and 21 to own a handgun? I might be mistaken but if not why is SD issuing CCWs to those under 21? At least thats the implication I got from the post. Don't get me wrong, I think 18 is fine, if you're old enough to go to war or be executed, you should be old enough to buy a beer or own (and carry) a gun.
FQ13
Acctually here in SD if you are 18 you can own a handgun, but you cannot buy the gun or ammo. Kind of messed up but I guess it is a nice loophole.
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If they've got the degree that's fine. I kind of agree with the army on this. You will generally not make E5 or better (barring battlefeild promotion) in your first enlistment. Not because you're dumb, just because you need some experience first. Its also why they commision 20 or 21 year olds as officers. They figure that 4 years of college and living on your own gives that perspective. I agree with this (mostly) and think if you've held down a job and gotten a degree you're ok. I was just responding to the idea of a cop that just graduated from HS, went to the academy and was out on patrol. I think we would all agree that that is "less than ideal" to put it mildly.
FQ13
And the point I was trying to make is that neither years nor education necessarily equals maturity. By the same token, I know many LEOs who have had FAR more experience handling weapons by the time they were 18 than some of their LEO counterparts had by the time they had been on the job for 10 years.
In short, I think that the danger comes in painting with too broad a brush. Afterall, much like not all college professors are knee-jerk liberal asshats, not all 20 year olds are inexperienced, immature mama's boys. ;D
Have a nice day.
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In short, I think that the danger comes in painting with too broad a brush.
Did we wander into some thread tangent based on that old painting show with Bob Ross? "Sprinkle in a nice little tree over there." Just kidding! I actually agree. I think we need to be careful about not saying a minimum age preference for our peace officers to be carrying a gun. You know just how fast the anti's would turn it around and say that "untrained" civilians should not have a gun below that minimum either.
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Did we wander into some thread tangent based on that old painting show with Bob Ross? "Sprinkle in a nice little tree over there." Just kidding! I actually agree. I think we need to be careful about not saying a minimum age preference for our peace officers to be carrying a gun. You know just how fast the anti's would turn it around and say that "untrained" civilians should not have a gun below that minimum either.
And "Bingo" was his name-o. ;D
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Did we wander into some thread tangent based on that old painting show with Bob Ross? "Sprinkle in a nice little tree over there." Just kidding! I actually agree. I think we need to be careful about not saying a minimum age preference for our peace officers to be carrying a gun. You know just how fast the anti's would turn it around and say that "untrained" civilians should not have a gun below that minimum either.
After almost 2 pages it would be an absolute miracle if we hadn't. ;D
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Did we wander into some thread tangent based on that old painting show with Bob Ross? "Sprinkle in a nice little tree over there." Just kidding! I actually agree. I think we need to be careful about not saying a minimum age preference for our peace officers to be carrying a gun. You know just how fast the anti's would turn it around and say that "untrained" civilians should not have a gun below that minimum either.
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WOW! Haven't heard that name in a long time. I used to love to turn him on when I was sick in bed. His voice would put me right to sleep! ;D
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WOW! Haven't heard that name in a long time. I used to love to turn him on when I was sick in bed. His voice would put me right to sleep! ;D
I know I'm gonna regret asking this........but what, EXACTLY, did you do to "turn himi on", and WHY?!? ;D
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I know I'm gonna regret asking this........but what, EXACTLY, did you do to "turn him on", and WHY?!? ;D
Can't wait to hear this one!
;D ;D ;D
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I know I'm gonna regret asking this........but what, EXACTLY, did you do to "turn himi on", and WHY?!? ;D
Well................ I was just a little fella then and I would actually have to switch the TV on manually (back in the dark ages before 'remotes') and I think he would steal Miss Jones magic mirror from Romper Room and get turned on watching me walk back to bed!
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Well................ I was just a little fella then and I would actually have to switch the TV on manually (back in the dark ages before 'remotes') and I think he would steal Miss Jones magic mirror from Romper Room and get turned on watching me walk back to bed!
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I remember those days. Hell, that's why my folks had me......I WAS the remote!!! And remember when the world changed from B&W to color?!? Those were the days!!! Of course, we only had 3 channels, so if the President was on, the entire evening was shot to hell!! ;D
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I remember those days. Hell, that's why my folks had me......I WAS the remote!!! And remember when the world changed from B&W to color?!? Those were the days!!! Of course, we only had 3 channels, so if the President was on, the entire evening was shot to hell!! ;D
Yep, to all of that! ;D
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No need to ask what kind of Dobee Haz was ;D
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No need to ask what kind of Dobee Haz was ;D
But I never inhaled.....
Oh! different dobee. ;D
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But I never inhaled.....
Oh! different dobee. ;D
That would be doobie..... ;)
Not that I know of such things....now, where was I?
Oh, yea....work...gotta get back to work....yea, that's the ticket! :)
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I remember those days. Hell, that's why my folks had me......I WAS the remote!!! And remember when the world changed from B&W to color?!? Those were the days!!! Of course, we only had 3 channels, so if the President was on, the entire evening was shot to hell!! ;D
Then the dial broke off and you needed a pair of pliers to change channels.
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No need to ask what kind of Dobee Haz was ;D
Dobee as in the Harry Potter movies??
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Dobee as in the Harry Potter movies??
Or Frank Sinatra's kind of dobee? You know ". . . dobee dobee do . . . Strangers in the night . . ." ;)
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Or Frank Sinatra's kind of dobee? You know ". . . dobee dobee do . . . Strangers in the dark . . ." ;)
Strangers in the night, exchanging glances. Lovers at first sight, exchanging pantses. Dobee dobee doo....................
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Dobee as in the Harry Potter movies??
My bad, it was Dobby - the house elf. :-\
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talk about thread drift ::)
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Can tell the young ones, they don't remember Good Do be's and BAD Do be's
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Can tell the young ones, they don't remember Good Do be's and BAD Do be's
I thought it was Do-Bees and Don't-Bees.
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I thought it was Do-Bees and Don't-Bees.
Could have been, I just remember the Good Do Be's thing.
Cut me some slack, the last time I saw it was Aug. of 1966 ;D