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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: rojawe on June 10, 2009, 03:46:38 PM
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just reported that Obama has ordered the FBI in Afghanistan to give the terroist Madeira Right when captured on the battle field. How fricking stupid is this, we are fighting them and we have to give them rights. The change the liberals voted for and Pure BS[V][xx(][:(]Killing our troops and we have to shake hands with them and let them go.
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Do you mean Miranda rights? Madeira is a fortified wine, which is more of a privilege than a right. ;D
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Is there a link to this anywhere? I really need it..
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This thread got double posted, in the other I commented that there is SOME sense to it IF it only applies to FBI apprehensions.
You have US LEO's making arrests on US warrants for trial in US courts it would be reasonable to expect them to follow US rules when they do it. No problem as long as our TROOPS can still kill the Bastards.
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Is there a link to this anywhere? I really need it..
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for_terrorists.asp
Best I could find, Babe.
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This thread got double posted, in the other I commented that there is SOME sense to it IF it only applies to FBI apprehensions.
You have US LEO's making arrests on US warrants for trial in US courts it would be reasonable to expect them to follow US rules when they do it. No problem as long as our TROOPS can still kill the Bastards.
Again I agree. IF they are taken alive, giving them the warning takes two seconds and means they can be prosecuted later. Remember Jihad Johnny. The CIA mirandized him and he's doing 20 years in club fed. As far as Madeira, I prefer port, but either would do in Afghanistan. ;D
FQ13
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Again I agree. IF they are taken alive, giving them the warning takes two seconds and means they can be prosecuted later. Remember Jihad Johnny. The CIA mirandized him and he's doing 20 years in club fed. As far as Madeira, I prefer port, but either would do in Afghanistan. ;D
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Too heavy. I prefer a nice white burgundy when traipsing through mountainous terrain in my sandles.
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Posted this on the other link too
Finally found a citation for this
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=100731
Obama gives terrorists 'right to remain silent'
FBI ordered to read Miranda warning to U.S. enemies
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Posted: June 10, 2009
8:40 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
The Obama Administration has ordered the FBI and CIA to inform terrorists overseas that they "have the right to remain silent" before probing them for information to save American lives.
According to Weekly Standard report by Stephen F. Hayes, a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee has revealed that "the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan."
The Miranda warning, named after the 1966 Supreme Court case Miranda vs. Arizona, is a statement read by law enforcement officials to inform suspects of their rights. It states:
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.
Hayes noted that former CIA Director George Tenet said Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad refused to cooperate with officials when he was captured March 1, 2003.
"I'll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer," Mohammad demanded.
Mohammad did not enlist the services of a lawyer until months after his capture and interrogation. But, according to the report, Tenet wrote in his memoirs that intelligence extracted from the terrorist saved countless American lives.
"I believe none of these successes would have happened if we had had to treat KSM like a white-collar criminal – read him his Miranda rights and get him a lawyer who surely would have insisted that his client simply shut up," Tenet wrote.
Hayes said, "If Tenet is right, it's a good thing (Mohammad) was captured before Barack Obama became president."
Rep. Mike Rogers, former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement during his fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.
"The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement," Rogers told the Weekly Standard. "Here's the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them … and they're reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters."
Rogers told Hayes the Obama administration has never informed Congress of the Miranda policy.
"I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn't been briefed on it, I didn't know about it," he said. "We're still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative."
The policy is part of a larger plan to replace the CIA-dominated method of covert arrest and interrogation with a significantly expanded role for the FBI and Justice Department in counter-terrorism operations. According to a Los Angeles Times report, agents will collect evidence to criminally prosecute all suspected terrorists.
In previous years, the Bush administration considered counter-terrorism operations an intelligence or military issue, not a law enforcement one, the Times states. But, under Obama's new "global justice" plan, the goal is to ensure that all suspected terrorists can be tried in a U.S. or foreign court of law.
"With many thousands of lives potentially in the balance, we did not think it made good sense to let the terrorists answer questions in their own good time," former Vice President Dick Cheney said in a May speech.
Many Republican lawmakers agree with Cheney.
"When they mirandize a suspect, the first thing they do is warn them that they have the 'right to remain silent,'" Rep. Pete Hoekstra, ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, told the Weekly Standard. "It would seem the last thing we want is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or any other al-Qaeda terrorist to remain silent. Our focus should be on preventing the next attack, not giving radical jihadists a new tactic to resist interrogation – lawyering up."
Rogers said even the International Red Cross has begun advising terrorist suspects to remain silent until they have representation.
"The International Red Cross, when they go into these detention facilities, has now started telling people – 'Take the option. You want a lawyer,'" he said.
Rogers told Hayes that the predicament may become confusing in a combat scenario:
The problem is you take that guy at three in the morning off of a compound right outside of Kabul where he's building bomb materials to kill US soldiers, and read him his rights by four, and the Red Cross is saying take the lawyer – you have now created quite a confusion amongst the FBI, the CIA and the United States military. And confusion is the last thing you want in a combat zone.
However, Richard Clarke, senior counter-terrorism official in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, told the Los Angeles Times the changes are long overdue.
"We have to return to the practice that we had before of arresting terrorists and putting them on trial," he said, claiming U.S. ability to do so "has atrophied."
But Hayes notes that a suspected terrorist who remains silent will not provide the U.S. with vital information about impending attacks.
In his memoirs, Tenet wrote, "I am confident that we would have obtained none of the information he had in his head about imminent threats against the American people."
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Hmmm, when did our rights go to help terrorists? Something is wrong with this picture. So when doe s Escebedo vs. Illinois or Mapp vs Ohio come into play? Are we going to get search warrants to check out a terrorist hideout? You find a bomb but if it is not in plain view than it is not admissable as evidence? This is ridiculous.
[When they mirandize a suspect, the first thing they do is warn them that they have the 'right to remain silent/quote]
How many lives will it cost if they have the American right to remain silent?
This is war, not a police action. Hope someone gets this dumbass attack straightened out ASAP!!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Hmmm, when did our rights go to help terrorists? Something is wrong with this picture. So when doe s Escebedo vs. Illinois or Mapp vs Ohio come into play? Are we going to get search warrants to check out a terrorist hideout? You find a bomb but if it is not in plain view than it is not admissable as evidence? This is ridiculous.
[When they mirandize a suspect, the first thing they do is warn them that they have the 'right to remain silent/quote]
How many lives will it cost if they have the American right to remain silent?
This is war, not a police action. Hope someone gets this dumbass attack straightened out ASAP!!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
DUH, BO is afraid his guys will lose, he needs to give them an edge.
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Months ago when the idea of treating batllefield warriors as criminals was in the news, a top military commander being interviewed commented that it would mean fewer prisinors being taken. He went on to elaborate that our guys would kill rather than capture the bad guys.
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Months ago when the idea of treating batllefield warriors as criminals was in the news, a top military commander being interviewed commented that it would mean fewer prisinors being taken. He went on to elaborate that our guys would kill rather than capture the bad guys.
Works for me.
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Months ago when the idea of treating batllefield warriors as criminals was in the news, a top military commander being interviewed commented that it would mean fewer prisinors being taken. He went on to elaborate that our guys would kill rather than capture the bad guys.
I thought that was the idea.
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Well, we are in a budget crisis.Three rounds of .556 vs years of meals at GITMO? Seems like a money saver.
FQ13
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Well, we are in a budget crisis.Three rounds of .556 vs years of meals at GITMO? Seems like a money saver.
FQ13
Nay nay, your boy BO is bringing them to a jail NEAR YOU. (nearer You) (maybe further from you but they can walk to where you are instead of having to swim)
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Nay nay, your boy BO is bringing them to a jail NEAR YOU. (nearer You) (maybe further from you but they can walk to where you are instead of having to swim)
Tom, leaving aside all legal, moral and political arguments here. I would simply like to say that I think I'm safer with these guys in a US super max facilty, because based on past experience, every Cuban or Haitian with an inner tube manages to make it across the straits of Florida. Its kind of like the Mexican border, only wetter. ::) Bienvendios A Florida.
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How about the appropriate response of BURYING them.
Miranda rights are for NON-US Citizens? The Geneva Convention for non uniformed enemies that would kill your family and than go and party?
I didn't get the memo...
We are going on the wrong road. Patton was right.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." ( or the virgins, either way,..)
I don't hear the ACLU or Code Pink organizing a Legal Defense Fund, maybe Cindy Sheehan can make sure they have proper representation.
Want to send a message?
Military Tribunal,..... if found guilty: last cigarette, statement, and
Against the Wall.....
Check the definition of enemy combatant one more time. Back in the day, they were just shot.
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How about the appropriate response of BURYING them.
Miranda rights are for NON-US Citizens? The Geneva Convention for non uniformed enemies that would kill your family and than go and party?
I didn't get the memo...
We are going on the wrong road. Patton was right.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." ( or the virgins, either way,..)
I don't hear the ACLU or Code Pink organizing a Legal Defense Fund, maybe Cindy Sheehan can make sure they have proper representation.
Want to send a message?
Military Tribunal,..... if found guilty: last cigarette, statement, and
Against the Wall.....
Check the definition of enemy combatant one more time. Back in the day, they were just shot.
That's fine for BO and congress but it still doesn't settle what we do about the rag heads.
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How about the appropriate response of BURYING them.
Miranda rights are for NON-US Citizens? The Geneva Convention for non uniformed enemies that would kill your family and than go and party?
I didn't get the memo...
We are going on the wrong road. Patton was right.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." ( or the virgins, either way,..)
I don't hear the ACLU or Code Pink organizing a Legal Defense Fund, maybe Cindy Sheehan can make sure they have proper representation.
Want to send a message?
Military Tribunal,..... if found guilty: last cigarette, statement, and
Against the Wall.....
Check the definition of enemy combatant one more time. Back in the day, they were just shot.
New memo, that's the legal system FOR U.S. Citizens... >:(
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Like Tom and othes stated, kill them and don't have to worry about it.
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On what planet does this make sense? :o