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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on June 24, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
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What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?
Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.
I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.
Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the
deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American
citizens that desperately needed work..
Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs
for returning veterans.
And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million
Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'. It was
done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.
It took 2 Years, but they deported them!
Now...if they could deport the illegal's back then - they could sure do it today?
lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation
Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.
Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes...
20 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you!
Thats right 20 million Illegal aliens
I did check, it's accurate, however now our alleged President would have to be the first to go and Congress is composed of co conspirators and traitors who refuse to enforce immigration law because they want the socialist vote cattle to multiply on the "liberal" plantation.
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Let's start a movement to get this done ... NOW!!!
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Any Congressman, Senator or Presidential candidate that believes in and will work to enforce deportation of illegals has got my vote.
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Operation Wetback was not something to emulate. It was brutal and racist. Let me pause to define racist clearly. Targeting latino illegals for being illegal is NOT racist. Wetback, however, gave too much power and too little supervision to the locals, particularly in So. Cal.and South Texas, and a lot Mexican American citizens who had angered the local powers that be got the boot. The way to do this very necessary thing is not just to target illegals, its to target the ones who hire them. Start putting CEO's, contractors, lawn service owners and restraunt and hotel owners in jail, and the jobs will dry up. Its like the drug war. You can arrest all the pot dealers you want, there will always be another one aslong s the demand is there. Its only if you have the will power to put your neighbor's kid, or for that matter your neighbor, in prison that you'll dry up the demand that creates the supply. The question is, are you willing to do it? Haul otherwise law abiding folks off to jail? In the case of drugs, I say no. As to hiring illegals, who create a tax drain, security risk and undermine our culture and language, I say yes. Mow your own damn lawn, and pay that bus boy a decent wage and charge me an extra $.75 for my burger.
FQ13
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Operation Wetback was not something to emulate. It was brutal and racist. Let me pause to define racist clearly. Targeting latino illegals for being illegal is NOT racist. Wetback, however, gave too much power and too little supervision to the locals, particularly in So. Cal.and South Texas, and a lot Mexican American citizens who had angered the local powers that be got the boot. The way to do this very necessary thing is not just to target illegals, its to target the ones who hire them. Start putting CEO's, contractors, lawn service owners and restraunt and hotel owners in jail, and the jobs will dry up. Its like the drug war. You can arrest all the pot dealers you want, there will always be another one aslong s the demand is there. Its only if you have the will power to put your neighbor's kid, or for that matter your neighbor, in prison that you'll dry up the demand that creates the supply. The question is, are you willing to do it? Haul otherwise law abiding folks off to jail? In the case of drugs, I say no. As to hiring illegals, who create a tax drain, security risk and undermine our culture and language, I say yes. Mow your own damn lawn, and pay that bus boy a decent wage and charge me an extra $.75 for my burger.
FQ13
Targeting any one for being here illegally is a good thing. It is not racist or sexist or anything but enforcing the consequences for breaking the law. Sure, not all illegals are doing something wrong (other than breaking the immigration laws), but wrong is wrong, and there are enough problems with illegal aliens to justify enforcing the laws.
I lived in Southern California for several years and dealt with the issues of illegals. I now have to deal with them where we are. There are too many negatives associated with the status quo to let it continue. If it takes an economic situation like we are in now to straighten things out, let this negative turn into a positive.
Also, FQ, I have no patience at all for people like you that call me racist for saying "send the illegals home!" Fire up the big green buses, send them home, and let them work within the system! Getting into this country legally is very easy - Work with the system, and I will be there for you.
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Another thing - If you are going to talk to me there is no such thing as a Mexican American, an African American or any other Something American. We are Americans, and they are what ever they are. You are either an African, Mexican, Jamaican or an American, but you can't be both American and something else!
Come here legally, join us, and love us. If you can't do that, don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
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Targeting any one or anything illegal is a good thing. It is not racist or sexist or anything but enforcing the consequences for breaking the law. Sure, not all illegals are doing something wrong (other than breaking the immigration laws), but wrong is wrong, and there are enough problems with illegal aliens to justify enforcing the laws.
I agree. Ship everyone you catch back. To me, step one is that anyone arrested should be REQUIRED by federal law, no sanctuary city BS, to have their residency checked. Not just Pedro, but me too, just like running your prints. If you're illegal, no bail, and when your current case is done, out you go. This would reduce crime rates in border states significantlly. Its just people who misapply the racism label that stop it. Racism is just that, targetting someone because of their race (which happened in the 1950's), targeting someone because of their status is equal application of the law. I just think if we deport one bus boy, the boss will just hire another.Its when the boss knows that he's going to jail while the bus boy goes home to Mexico, that he will hire American, as it should be, race aside.
FQ13
PS M58 I never called you a racist or even implied it.I just pointed out that the 1950's program was rife with racism because of local abuse. Thats all.
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True those who use them should be penalized, however,Why is it "Racist" to want our own country back, these people should not even be granted civil rights, those were earned with the blood of citizens and foreigners who arrived here LEGALLY. So what if a bunch of mouthy border jumpers got their asses kicked, or even got killed. Fu#@ them.
FQ, you always seem to stick up for the people who are screwing us, or who are trying to push something the rest of us find morally reprehensible, if those are the sort of "principles" that you learned in college , I'm glad I dropped out in the 9th grade.
I've already said, repeatedly that the illegals should be denied all benefits, stripped of all assets and either dumped over the closest border or shot. If that offends your "libertarian" scruples , well TS.
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True those who use them should be penalized, however,Why is it "Racist" to want our own country back, these people should not even be granted civil rights, those were earned with the blood of citizens and foreigners who arrived here LEGALLY. So what if a bunch of mouthy border jumpers got their asses kicked, or even got killed. Fu#@ them.
FQ, you always seem to stick up for the people who are screwing us, or who are trying to push something the rest of us find morally reprehensible, if those are the sort of "principles" that you learned in college , I'm glad I dropped out in the 9th grade.
I've already said, repeatedly that the illegals should be denied all benefits, stripped of all assets and either dumped over the closest border or shot. If that offends your "libertarian" scruples , well TS.
Tom, do you even read my posts, or just have an FQ is a liberal default key? Seriously, I said not once but twice (and three times to assure M58 that I wasn't accusing him of racism), that going after illegals was NOT racist AND a good thing. The only thing I used the R word for was to say that things got a bit out of hand in Operation Wetback and a fair number of citizens got caught up in the fray. This is a lesson we should learn from and a mistake we should not repeat. It is NOT a reason not to get serious about cracking down on illegals and those who employ them. What part of that do you disagree with?
FQ13
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Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.
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Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.
Might I suggest some of the lazy children that sit in front of a video game for countless hours every week? When I was a teen, I would have given anything to do work around my area because of something called a "Work Ethic". Somewhere along the line our children have lost that particular trait for whatever reason.
We have ample people sitting around collecting untold billions in government funds. Put their lazy asses on a bus and send them to California to pick produce! Where ever there exists a Welfare office you'll find a workforce!
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Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.
You are very right fullauto, and there is a two part solution.There are two big lies told about immigration. The first is that it is about racism . I hope I have addressed that. The second is that Americans won't do those jobs. This is false. They just won't do them uder the wages and conditions being offfered. Some jobs, like migrant farm labor, might never attract citizens, and for those I'd consider guest worker programs. However when Bill Gates says he needs one at microsoft so he can bring in Indian programmers who will work at two thirds the wage of an American, I will invite him to pound sand.
The thing is there WILL be an inflationary effect, the same as there would be if wally world stopped carrying Chinese stuff and sold only American products. The thing is though, that the price increase would be distributed in the US economy, higher wages, more consumer spending, more home ownership, higher tax revenues, hence better schools etc.. The same is true of hiring legal workers who pay taxes and don't send their money home via emittances to the family back in Mexico, but spend it here. Short term, a bit expensive, long term, worthwhile.At least thats my .02.
FQ13
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However when Bill Gates says he needs one at microsoft so he can bring in Indian programmers who will work at two thirds the wage of an American, I will invite him to pound sand.
I agree 1,637.3%! ;)
The thing is there WILL be an inflationary effect, the same as there would be if wally world stopped carrying Chinese stuff and sold only American products. The thing is though, that the price increase would be distributed in the US economy, higher wages, more consumer spending, more home ownership, higher tax revenues, hence better schools etc.. The same is true of hiring legal workers who pay taxes and don't send their money home via emittances to the family back in Mexico, but spend it here. Short term, a bit expensive, long term, worthwhile.At least thats my .02.
I think you may be very close to reality here too.....
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Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.
How about welfare recipients and some of the 10%+ of the work force that can't find a job. Besides, they ain't just picking lettuce, I worked in 1/2 dozen machine shops in Ca. and only ONE wasn't full of cheap Mexican labor, and when "La Migra" showed up 3/4 of the crew vanished for the rest of the day.
FQ posted "However when Bill Gates says he needs one at microsoft so he can bring in Indian programmers who will work at two thirds the wage of an American, I will invite him to pound sand."
These 2 examples are why Pathfinder and I are out of work, because foreigners aren't just doing shit jobs, they are taking jobs away from citizens in ALL fields.
According to some numbers I saw recently one of the TWO top sources of revenue for the Mexican Govt. was taxes on $ sent home by Mexicans in the US, 20 million of whom are paying NO US taxes.
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How about welfare recipients and some of the 10%+ of the work force that can't find a job. Besides, they ain't just picking lettuce, I worked in 1/2 dozen machine shops in Ca. and only ONE wasn't full of cheap Mexican labor, and when "La Migra" showed up 3/4 of the crew vanished for the rest of the day.
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They don't all come from the south either. My shop in Providence had at least 15 to 20 illegal Portugese and Polish immigrants who'd been working there for years. Nearly 20 percent of our workforce!
I worked there for 10 years before I realized that the owner was doing it. The primary reason I left the company!
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Might I suggest some of the lazy children that sit in front of a video game for countless hours every week? When I was a teen, I would have given anything to do work around my area because of something called a "Work Ethic". Somewhere along the line our children have lost that particular trait for whatever reason.
We have ample people sitting around collecting untold billions in government funds. Put their lazy asses on a bus and send them to California to pick produce! Where ever there exists a Welfare office you'll find a workforce!
Absolutely. This is something that needs to be fixed!!!!
If your not here "LEGALLY" then get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SARCASM IS NOW TURNED ON…
You guys are really harsh and insensitive. These people are here because WE ARE THE PROBLEM. If we were not so selfish, wealthy and consume so much of the world’s recourses they wouldn’t want to be here. They really don’t want to be here. Besides we need them more than they need us. They do work no American wants to do. As long as they are here we should treat them as our guests.
ACORN can probably get them counted in the census and registered to vote.
SARCASM IS NOW TURNED OFF…
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Having worked in construction, from about 10 years old, illegals have completely destroyed the trades.
Just to give you some idea, in the mid 70s when my grandfather was head of the local painters and tapers union, they made more money then, then they do now. back then every thing had to be brushed, no rollers, no airless, just a 5 or 6 inch block brush.
I get drasticly under cut on bids all the time from people hiring lillegal aliens. its not uncommon and all for me to see bids that are less then my materal cost. I pay on average about $25/ hour for my employees( which is more then union scale for most trades)
It costs me about $40/ hour for that employee in wages+ taxs+ comp... so if joe contractor hires illegals at 20/ hour they are still under cuyting me by half.