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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: Steyr M40A1 on July 02, 2009, 09:18:00 AM
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http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2009/06/22/ignatius-piazza-shotgun-in-your-face-and-380-in-your-pocket/ (http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2009/06/22/ignatius-piazza-shotgun-in-your-face-and-380-in-your-pocket/)
What would you do if you were staring down the barrel of a shotgun, with a hooded man demanding your money or your life, but all you had in your pocket was five dollars and a .380 pistol?
Here is a very candid, post-shooting incident interview with a man who experienced exactly this situation and the law enforcement officials handling the case.
There are many real world lessons to be learned in this very rare and extremely educational video interview…
This is a video you are not likely to see very often.
Watch the video and then see my comments below as I point out important lessons to be learned from this incident.
First, let me say that I do not recommend, if you are ever involved in a shooting, that you agree to be interviewed in front of the press unless you have the kind of support this armed citizen has from the law enforcement officials involved and you have an attorney present. Even then, a live interview with the press is still not a good idea.
Second, the law enforcement officials involved should be commended for their strong support of the right to defend oneself, and for their support of the actions of this armed citizen.
Third, this armed citizen is a real-life hero and could not be a better example of why ‘Shall Issue’ Concealed Carry Permits are needed in every state across this country.
Legislators and Sheriffs take notice! When you deny hard-working, responsible, law-abiding citizens the ability to carry a concealed weapon, you shift the balance of power on the street into the hands of the criminals!
This story has a great ending, Sarasota, FL PD was good to him, and both BG will go to jail!
Please watch the video on the URL and read the whole article. Good points to think about.
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Lady asks if he feels bad that it was a teenager he shot... My God ::)
Congratulations Mr. Firby! Well excecuted.
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First, I thank God that Mr. Firby was uninjured.
Second, how many of us would wish to face down a shotgun, at close range, with only a pistol, be that pistol a .380 .acp, as in this case, or even a .45 .acp?
Pistol vs shotgun at close range, the shotgun is going to win most times, even if you're Massad Ayoob.
Mr. Firby is a lucky man. It is probably fortunate that the perp was a teenager and likely a scared kid. This could have been very bad. I hope that Mr. Firby said his prayers as he went to bed.
I admire the law that allows the Florida police to make this an open and shut case. No need to ever go to the D.A. or to a Grand Jury and waste the tax payers money. Great law I hope that many other states follow suit.
Justice done, BG in the hospital and Mr. Firby safe at home.
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Jerry Miculek might also stand a fighting chance
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Rock 'n' F'in Roll. This dude is kickin' cool a krazy kat! I don't know if I'd have had the balls!
WTG! Keep on keepin' on!
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Situational Awareness, mindset, and training.
Don't know how much this Firby had, but facing a punk totally untrained scared kid probably made this outcome what it is.
From Kid,
Second, how many of us would wish to face down a shotgun, at close range, with only a pistol, be that pistol a .380 .acp, as in this case, or even a .45 .acp?
I wouldn't wish to face any firearm, but I carry a Kel-Tec P3AT .380, usually with Cor-Bon, or Speer, and would react to the threat the same whether a .22 or 12g.
An opportunity presented itself and Firby reacted. Fortunately, to his advantage.
Don't know about the press conference being a "stellar" idea, but that was his choice.
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Thanks for putting that one up. I've forwarded this on to the rest of my family. This is a hard earned lesson for the armed citizen or should i say the armed robber beware of the armed citizen!
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Look 22LR or 50ae a well placed shot by a well trained citizen will do the job every time. The 12ga in the wrong hands doesnt mean shit, I worked for Dunbar armour transport and i back down what could have been a robbery. My gun of choice was my 92fs, maybe i got lucky but i was prepared for the worst.
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That's why I need someone to make me a carry holster for this.
(http://www.serbu.com/top/super_shorty_870.jpg)
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We have two holster makers here. Andy Lagostieno (sp) and Frisco.
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That's why I need someone to make me a carry holster for this.
(http://www.serbu.com/top/super_shorty_870.jpg)
Serbu used to sell one, but its not on their website anymore.
Here is a whole thread on the super shorty:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2305.0
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We have two holster makers here. Andy Lagostieno (sp) and Frisco.
Do you mean Andy Langlois ?
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Do you mean Andy Langlois ?
I think he meant Andy Langknaklj;isuihaos
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Do you mean Andy Langlois ?
If that's how ya spell it, Yep! ;D
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I think he meant Andy Langknaklj;isuihaos
Love the font size thingy! When I was in college a teaching assistant that was just as wise beyond her years as she was HOT taught me that the secret to spelling in written esay tests was penmanship. Don't know how to spell a word? Just scratch, write over and scribble. If a few letters are correct the prof will know what you are trying to say ;)
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Love the font size thingy! When I was in college a teaching assistant that was just as wise beyond her years as she was HOT taught me that the secret to spelling in written esay tests was penmanship. Don't know how to spell a word? Just scratch, write over and scribble. If a few letters are correct the prof will know what you are trying to say ;)
I used to work in a restaurant..... back in the day.... and when people came in to get a table if we were on a wait we would take their name and how many was in the party and put them on the list..... For the ones with god awful names or ones that had like 27 letters, all I would do was just chicken scratch something similar and their party size..... When you go to call them over the intercom to tell them that their table was ready, I would just get the first syllable of the name right and droll off...... never had a problem, and they always came a running!
Langknaklj;isuihaos, Party of 6 your table is ready ;)
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Serbu used to sell one, but its not on their website anymore.
Here is a whole thread on the super shorty:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2305.0
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
Of course I'm kidding. Do you really think California would allow these? We can't even have a Judge!
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Good video with a excellent outcome.
I wanna see the the holster made for the shotgun. Bet that would be a cool. Makes me think of the knife comment by Crocodile Dundee.
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I would just get the first syllable of the name right and droll off...... never had a problem, and they always came a running!
Langknaklj;isuihaos, Party of 6 your table is ready ;)
Seinfeld? ..... Four?
:)
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Seinfeld? ..... Four?
:)
Yes, I say, "Phone call for Cartwright."
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That's why I need someone to make me a carry holster for this.
(http://www.serbu.com/top/super_shorty_870.jpg)
This would be perfect...... Under a big coat.
http://www.andrewsleather.com/firepower.htm
;D
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This would be perfect...... Under a big coat.
http://www.andrewsleather.com/firepower.htm
;D
And with a VERY good lawyer. Seriously, the no sawed off shotgun thing does bug me. Why are they banned, simple prejudice that associates them with criminals. Its about as logical as NJs ban on hollow points. It is simply absurd. Our current parallel is the AK the "evil" gun. My great granddad had a pair of 20 gauge Parker Bank Guard pistols. Useless beyond about ten yards, but inside of that with double ought, well, you had a problem. No reason I shouldn't be allowed to carry them today. Honestly, what's the difference between 18 and 8" (ten inches Tom and KMA ;D)? The point is if a rifle or shotgun is legal, why should the barell length matter?
FQ13
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When FDR instituted the jobs program for laid off prohibition agents that became known as the "NFA" they needed rules to enforce that might effect regular people who could not afford the Ammo for a machine gun, so they went included what were then known as "burglar guns" short barreled shot guns and rifles that were usually kept in the bedroom or car for protection.
The reasoning was they had no "sporting" or military value.
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That's why I need someone to make me a carry holster for this.
(http://www.serbu.com/top/super_shorty_870.jpg)
I've always thought that a Shorty loaded with Aguila mini-shells (giving it a 4-5 rd. capacity) would be a great CCW... 8)
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{snip} Seriously, the no sawed off shotgun thing does bug me. [snip}
Isn't all you have to do is get a barrel with rifling. Can't affect 00buck that much from that short of barrel.
Wait, wait, you could call it the "Super Judge"
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Isn't all you have to do is get a barrel with rifling. Can't affect 00buck that much from that short of barrel.
Wait, wait, you could call it the "Super Judge"
When MB was having his Serbu built, he mentioned something about the receiver having to be purpose built as a "Pistol" receiver.
I don't recall the details, but my understanding was that if you put a short barrel on your skeet gun it became a sawed off shot gun, if you bought a Pistol specific receiver and put a short barrel on it it was a perfectly legal "Any Other Weapon" (After you paid the ATF tax and paperwork of course.
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When MB was having his Serbu built, he mentioned something about the receiver having to be purpose built as a "Pistol" receiver.
I don't recall the details, but my understanding was that if you put a short barrel on your skeet gun it became a sawed off shot gun, if you bought a Pistol specific receiver and put a short barrel on it it was a perfectly legal "Any Other Weapon" (After you paid the ATF tax and paperwork of course.
Yep. That is how they make mares legs as well.