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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: fullautovalmet76 on July 03, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
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I was told that I can reduce the felt recoil in my Para 18 * 9 by changing the recoil spring; ditto for single stack 1911. The 18*9 doesn't recoil that bad anyway but I was wondering how to go about doing that without messing up my gun(s). I want to point out that I know how to change the recoil spring, but I want to know if that is the only thing I need to change. Are there any other considerations?
Thanks!
FullAuto
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I want to add to that before M25 or MB weighs in. I've NEVER had a FTF or FTE with my 1911 would the new recoil spring make enough of a difference to be worth messing around with that type of reliability ?
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how about a Bug Cup of HTFU ;) ;D ;D
I would not bother changing it, maybe a spring an guide rod change or change the grips to a soft frilly style ;)
it is for target shooting or Self Defense
caus I feel in a self defense situation I would be guessing you won't even notice the recoil or the shot sound
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Thinking more about reducing the muzzle jump to get back on target quicker. Without going to lighter bullets.
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caus I feel in a self defense situation I would be guessing you won't even notice the recoil or the shot sound
Seriously. In competitions, I don't even notice the recoil at all.
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Seriously. In competitions, I don't even notice the recoil at all.
same here unless I am thinking about the shots and then I stuff up more the more I think about each shot ( strange )
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any pics of your grip?
when it comes to all guns, how you hold them can make a huge diffrence. even a small change can have a drastic out come.
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any pics of your grip?
when it comes to all guns, how you hold them can make a huge diffrence. even a small change can have a drastic out come.
I broke my camera just before bike week. >:(
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A couple of thoughts.
With my 9mm I shoot a 147 Grain bullet at a slower speed this seems to reduce flip and is more of a push back. This can help if you are able to reload. I cant find primers but this will make power factor.
You can add a comp to the gun this will require a lot of gas to work and a 9mm is not the best choice to make this work. I would recomend a 38 supercomp.
Make the gun heavy on the end. Heavy guide rod will help.
I would not change the spring I would add a recoil buffer only.
Hope this helps
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There are recoil buffers as well. Personally I would not use one on my carry gun.
FWIW here is a link to a previous thread on recoil buffers http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=4293.0 (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=4293.0)
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You might try a Harrt's Recoil reducer. You can use them with the factory spring and no alterations are needed. They take the place of the guide rod.
http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/jun96recoil.html
http://www.gun-tests.com/pdfs/1-1-JuneData.pdf
This is not a Harrt's, but works similar to it....
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=16716/Product/1911_AUTO_RECOIL_MASTER
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I broke my camera just before bike week. >:(
don't feel bad, a 3 years ago I droped my camera in the lake after a weekend of boat camping with 4 coeds and 3 empty bottles of gray goose... :'(
I had lots of pics and videos... :o
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The Harrt's Product sounds like just the ticket.
don't feel bad, a 3 years ago I droped my camera in the lake after a weekend of boat camping with 4 coeds and 3 empty bottles of gray goose... :'(
I had lots of pics and videos... :o
Darn TAB, I honestly feel sorry for you. :o
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Don't know if Harrt's is still in business, but may be able to find one used.
Brownells has some that work the same. Mercury filled hollow tube with ball bearings inside to dampen recoil and add weight.
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One of the least expensive and most effective ways is to replace the firing pin stop with one that has a more square profile on the bottom edge. Compared to the standard one. 1911 Tuner has a good instructional for this on the M1911.org web sight.
Mike Mc
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Changing the recoil spring has 1 effect, it changes the slide speed, lighter spring faster, more slide impact, heavier spring slower, lighter impact. A 9mm 1911 is already at some disadvantage, as the cartridge works in a small window, power wise.
In a game gun, sure, lighten the spring, lighten the ammo, lighten the slide, but not for a defense gun.
Now the heavier guide rods, or just adding a guide rod, plays to reciprocating mass. The mass that does not move, the frame and a guide rod if you have one, counter acts the mass that moves, the slide, the barrel moves down not backward so does not have much influence. The mercury guide rods counter act the mass, as the the slide moves rearward, the mercury and balls move forward. I have a Harts in my glock 21, you can feel a difference, slight but noticeable, and a .45 does not have much recoil anyway.
Things that do work, relieving the frame at the rear of the trigger guard and a high beaver tail grip, lowers the bore line for improved recoil absorbtion. A firm 2 handed grip and good shock absorbing stance. Some shock absorbing material in the grip, limited on the Para, but lots available for single stacks. Lighter standard loaded bullets, not Corbon level stuff. Lots of practice and you will never think of recoil again.
Now of course there are exceptions that have more to do with shooter, none of the above is going to help someone with a disability or injury. Even old age and weakness. I have known 100lb soaking wet girls, that shoot box stock 1911's in .45 and can't get enough, it just means that much to them to shoot them well.
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Changing the recoil spring has 1 effect, it changes the slide speed, lighter spring faster, more slide impact, heavier spring slower, lighter impact. A 9mm 1911 is already at some disadvantage, as the cartridge works in a small window, power wise.
In a game gun, sure, lighten the spring, lighten the ammo, lighten the slide, but not for a defense gun.
Now the heavier guide rods, or just adding a guide rod, plays to reciprocating mass. The mass that does not move, the frame and a guide rod if you have one, counter acts the mass that moves, the slide, the barrel moves down not backward so does not have much influence. The mercury guide rods counter act the mass, as the the slide moves rearward, the mercury and balls move forward. I have a Harts in my glock 21, you can feel a difference, slight but noticeable, and a .45 does not have much recoil anyway.
Things that do work, relieving the frame at the rear of the trigger guard and a high beaver tail grip, lowers the bore line for improved recoil absorbtion. A firm 2 handed grip and good shock absorbing stance. Some shock absorbing material in the grip, limited on the Para, but lots available for single stacks. Lighter standard loaded bullets, not Corbon level stuff. Lots of practice and you will never think of recoil again.
Now of course there are exceptions that have more to do with shooter, none of the above is going to help someone with a disability or injury. Even old age and weakness. I have known 100lb soaking wet girls, that shoot box stock 1911's in .45 and can't get enough, it just means that much to them to shoot them well.
Thanks to M25, Peg, and other for the information. Essentially, I will change the springs around till I get the balance I want with the loads I'm shooting in IDPA.
Do any who own Para double-stacks have any recommendations for good grips? I want to get rid of the plastic ones and find something like what Pachmayr makes.
-FA
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My1911 is not a Para so hole location might not work out for you, but I REALLY like the rubber Hogue grips I picked up. Double stack won't matter as they simply replace the standard grips, they are not wrap around.
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The grip panels on a wide bodied Para are much thinner than a single stack. Hole location should be the same but I wouldn't put on grips that were designed for single stack guns. It would make the grip huge. I have seen people using wrap around grips with finger grooves on the Para but I like my standard grips with grip tape on the front.
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Recoil? In a 9mm? WTF? Over.
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Recoil? In a 9mm? WTF? Over.
We have a winner!
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Recoil? In a 9mm? WTF? Over.
Piss off! And the horse you rode in on too....
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Recoil? In a 9mm? WTF? Over.
maybe its a 9x25 dillon he is talking about :P ::)
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I don't know about any one else, but I was talking about muzzle flip in a REAL 1911, you know, a .45.
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I don't know about any one else, but I was talking about muzzle flip in a REAL 1911, you know, a .45.
;D ;D
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I've been looking at this one and having a hard time following our typical ADD :-\ With some road time the last couple days I though about it a little, and my best advice is grip strength.
Last winter USPSA had an article in Front Sight that dealt with grip strength. I have done some of their suggestions, not nearly everything they recommended, but some, and it has made a big difference. ALL my hand guns are easier to shoot, felt recoil and muzzle flip are less, and my hits have improved. It will be nice to see scores after several matches to see if it is verifiable on paper or just between my ears. Either way, it is more comfortable in the hand, and that is what matters in the enjoyment area.
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I've been looking at this one and having a hard time following our typical ADD :-\ With some road time the last couple days I though about it a little, and my best advice is grip strength.
Last winter USPSA had an article in Front Sight that dealt with grip strength. I have done some of their suggestions, not nearly everything they recommended, but some, and it has made a big difference. ALL my hand guns are easier to shoot, felt recoil and muzzle flip are less, and my hits have improved. It will be nice to see scores after several matches to see if it is verifiable on paper or just between my ears. Either way, it is more comfortable in the hand, and that is what matters in the enjoyment area.
Got a link ?
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I miss placed my magazine for a while and tried to find it online without success. However, you can go to www.uspsa.org (http://www.uspsa.org) and surf around. I do find some good old articles from time to time.