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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: philw on July 05, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
Last updated at 12:14 AM on 03rd July 2009
Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.
Britain has an even worse violence rate than South Africa
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The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.
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'We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.'
The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available.
But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.
New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today
In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.
There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.
Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.
But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.
'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'
The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials.
In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.
He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos.
Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.
I would be pretty angry too if i had to drink warm beer all the time too....
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So much for gun control making you safer, Englands violent crime rate is more than 4X the US average ? Holy crapthe British Army should have stayed in Iraq for their own safety.
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As long as Europe (as a whole), has this kind of mindset against its citizenry, while Muslim Demographics will increase their population outpacing indigenous Europeans, the future looks really bright.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/sri-lanka.jpg)
Moreover, if the USA continues down its path set forth by BHO, we won't even be able to save our Republic, let alone europe, again.
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I got into a run-in with a Brit who took offense on another board (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5594.0 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5594.0)) at the idea that there was crime in Britain. At first, he did the slight of hand changing violent crime to murder rates, and when I called him on it, and quoted the sources he insisted on, we went woggy (did I get that term right?).
Thanks to you Phil, I used the table you showed on another thread - which he laughingly dismissed because (a) it was from Holland, and (b) it was on page 43 of the PDF I reviewed after you showed it here.
I posted your same reference last Firday, and his response was to quote the article which repeated what I had said, namely that there are different definitions to "violent crime". I have heard but cannot prove that he is dancing in place with his fingers in his ears crying loudly "La la la la la la ... I can't hear you . . . la la la la". ;D
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I got into a run-in with a Brit who took offense on another board (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5594.0 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5594.0)) at the idea that there was crime in Britain.
well if he likes to take offense I should join up and see how long before i get banned ;) hehe
think he might need a BIG cup of HTFU ;)
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well if he likes to take offense I should join up and see how long before i get banned ;) hehe
think he might need a BIG cup of HTFU ;)
OK, Phil...what is HTFU? I want to appreciate what you've said here...
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OK, Phil...what is HTFU? I want to appreciate what you've said here...
ok for all those that need to HTFU ( Language Warning ;) )
for those that have Enjoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc
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ok for all those that need to HTFU ( Language Warning ;) )
for those that have Enjoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc
I've got some meetings in the Cities coming up ... Damn I could get in trouble if I don't get that one out of my head before I leave ;D
I mean, after my my latest 1,700 miles of bike and guns (heavily influenced by Rastus) it took me a couple weeks to come back down to local civility ... when can I get going again ::)
HTFU !!!
Thanks Phil ;D
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Just one question Phil, Does the "Chopper" with no ears get royalties from the one WITH ears ?
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Its amazing that such a "civilized" society such as England with there nearly 90 year old band on guns and recent blunt tip knives as to protect the children can still be plagued with crime.
I mean the idea in which this scenario can be possible is simply not logical.
OK, I cant keep going without either busting a gut or puking.
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You do know it's our fault, right? Just like Mexico. Just the other day I saw a brit with guns strapped to his back swimming across the Atlantic. If only we would change our ways things would get better in the UK.
I would also like to take this opportunity to ask for a ban on drinking straws. Too many people are getting poked in the eye with them. And don't get me started on those drink pouches with the "assault straws" (pointed tip).
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The sad part is that 100 years ago Hiram Maxim, who lived in London developed and demonstrated his machine gun in his back yard and no one thought any thing about it. Not to mention Dr. Watson carrying his unregistered, unlicensed Webley when he was going about with Holmes. It was an accepted fact that in any group of people there would be a percentage that refused to function with in the limits of society and that the rest of society needed to be able to protect itself. England had a law that if a police officer "Raised the hue and Cry" in pursuit of a criminal citizens were REQUIRED to assist him in catching the bad guy. Now self defense is basically illegal. That's liberal logic for you.
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I've got some meetings in the Cities coming up ... Damn I could get in trouble if I don't get that one out of my head before I leave ;D
Thanks Phil ;D
no probs I do try to help out where I can ;)
another one you may want to look up for dealing with people that need to HTFU is DILLIGAF ;D ;D
DILLIGAF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI) ;) ;) as told by Kevin will need another language warning hehe
I think I will need another beer in the corner
Just one question Phil, Does the "Chopper" with no ears get royalties from the one WITH ears ?
having had a couple of beers with "Chopper" WITH ears
the real chopper thinks it is funny
there is an interview here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-3fpDYPT2M