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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on July 06, 2009, 01:34:52 PM
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http://www.wwl.com/pages/4728222.php?contentType=4&contentId=4283203
ACLU files suit over gun rights
Jay Vise Reporting
A New Orleans man is suing the city and its district attorney for refusing to give back a gun that police seized when he was arrested on drug and firearms charges.
The American Civil Liberties Union on Thursday filed the federal suit on behalf of Errol Houston Jr., who was arrested last year following a traffic stop.
The suit says the district attorney's office declined to prosecute Houston but has refused to return his .40 caliber firearm.
Houston claims Orleans Parish District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro has instituted a policy that firearms seized during arrests will not be returned to their owners.
The ACLU says that policy violates Houston's constitutional rights.
Cannizzaro says his office decides on a "case by case basis'' whether to return confiscated guns.
Am I missing something:
ACLU does not recognize firearm ownership as an individual right
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2013.0
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Too stupid to know their own policies?
Reminds me of a city councilman in my area who once made a motion for a particular zoning ordinance and then when it came up for a vote, the dumbass got confused and voted against his own motion.
And, yes, he's still a councilman.
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Apparently you did miss something :
for refusing to give back a gun that police seized when he was arrested on drug and firearms charges.
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Hopefully they've pulled their head out of their ass on this issue. In fairness though, there is world of difference between the ACLU and ACLU lawyers.There is a board, which raises and distributes expense money, and then there are volunteer lawyers who take the cases pro bono with their expenses paid. Maybe its rebellion in the ranks by a La. lawyer, maybe its a sign of change, maybe they just see it as a fifth ammendment takings issue? Who knows?
FQ13
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Apparently you did miss something :
for refusing to give back a gun that police seized when he was arrested on drug and firearms charges.
Arrested does not mean he was tried and convicted of crime. If you read the story again, the charges were dropped.
Remember the innocent until proven guilty thing.
This kind of crap happens in most of the states and counties and cities.
Here is a article from my local newspaper about the same thing, property taken and the owners forced to pay to get it back.
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/frtHEAD03062909.htm
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This move is keeping the ACLU elites up nights and drinking Malox. They find themselves in a position that the only way they can go after a group is to defend a group they hate ... I love it ;D
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Arrested does not mean he was tried and convicted of crime. If you read the story again, the charges were dropped.
Remember the innocent until proven guilty thing.
This kind of crap happens in most of the states and counties and cities.
Here is a article from my local newspaper about the same thing, property taken and the owners forced to pay to get it back.
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/frtHEAD03062909.htm
You need to read the story again, there is a difference between "Dropped charges" and "chose not to prosecute"
I'm surprised they are not trying to get his drugs returned as well.
There are differences between the ACLU Nation Organization and state chapters, The Utah state chapter also took a gun case on our side. But La. has far more egregious anti civil rights cases that they could have involved them selves in.
http://cdn1.libsyn.com/guntalk/090614guntalkA.mp3?nvb=20090707013149&nva=20090708014149&t=06fa6c21a6c42576d3a84
In Shreveport, If you are pulled over by the Police "Your rights have been suspended'
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I don't ever want the ACLU on my side.
I want each and every one of them to leave our country and to got to one where they belong.
The FCLU (French Civil Liberties Union) or in Francaises: L'Union de Libertés Civile Françaises. Doesn't that just sound right?
Au revoir les idiots. ;D
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I don't ever want the ACLU on my side.
I want each and every one of them to leave our country and to got to one where they belong.
The FCLU (French Civil Liberties Union) or in Francaises: L'Union de Libertés Civile Françaises. Doesn't that just sound right?
Au revoir les idiots. ;D
Kid, you know I like you, and I know you're in a tough place, but I've got to say it.Wait till you get arrested. The ACLU ain't perfect. It goes waaay too far on seperation of church and state, and it has (until recently) ignored the 2A. That being said, its work on 1A issues and the rights of the accused (not guilty, just accused) has helped stop governmental abuse of power, whether by a local PD, a high school principal or some federal bureacrat,who thought they were answerable to none, many, many times. Lets not forget that.
FQ13
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I won't be holding my breath, but I'd love to see the ACLU truly shift on this. With a name that makes them sound like a group that would protect all of the rights that we hold dear, they don't deserve any support if they're going to pick and choose which rights each of us should have. If they won't stand up for all of them, their supporters should let them wither and then back another organization that will. Even if a new one has to be created.
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I won't be holding my breath, but I'd love to see the ACLU truly shift on this. With a name that makes them sound like a group that would protect all of the rights that we hold dear, they don't deserve any support if they're going to pick and choose which rights each of us should have. If they won't stand up for all of them, their supporters should let them wither and then back another organization that will. Even if a new one has to be created.
You sir, are wise beyond your years!! Their name isn't (though SHOULD be) "The American Organization For The Defense Of SOME Civil Liberties".
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Kid, you know I like you, and I know you're in a tough place, but I've got to say it.Wait till you get arrested. The ACLU ain't perfect. It goes waaay too far on seperation of church and state, and it has (until recently) ignored the 2A. That being said, its work on 1A issues and the rights of the accused (not guilty, just accused) has helped stop governmental abuse of power, whether by a local PD, a high school principal or some federal bureacrat,who thought they were answerable to none, many, many times. Lets not forget that.
FQ13
BS ALERT
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BS ALERT
Show me an alternative Tom. In this case, its not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. That I will grant you. It is more like not letting the perfect be the enemy of the better than nothing. Again, you got something better to show me, fine. Otherwise.........
FQ13
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Show me an alternative Tom. It this case, its not letting the perfect being the enemy of the good. That I will grant you. It is more like not letting the perfect be the enemy of the better than nothing. Again, you got something better to show me, fine. Otherwise.........
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Is that why you voted for Obama as apposed to the alternative......
(http://smileyx.com/smilies/mad0248.gif)
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Is that why you voted for Obama as apposed to the alternative......
Yep. And no need for the bird. I am suffering a great deal of buyers remorse, but I still wouldn't vote McCain either. I'd just have left the top of the ticket blank.
FQ13
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Yep. And no need for the bird. I am suffering a great deal of buyers remorse, but I still wouldn't vote McCain either. I'd just have left the top of the ticket blank.
FQ13
Yeah, Obama is a big fan of voting "present" also.
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Say what you want, Eric, but after McCain Feingold and Palin, I would not and will not vote for the guy. (not that it mattered as Obama won my state anyway). Besides, we've pretty much beaten this horse to death anyway.
peace
FQ13
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Is that why you voted for Obama as apposed to the alternative......
(http://smileyx.com/smilies/mad0248.gif)
Where did you EVER find that little guy ;DShow me an alternative Tom. In this case, its not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. That I will grant you. It is more like not letting the perfect be the enemy of the better than nothing. Again, you got something better to show me, fine. Otherwise.........
FQ13
It's no surprise you would defend the ACLU, Your vote for the Post Turtle shows your preference for the half assed.
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Kid, you know I like you, and I know you're in a tough place, but I've got to say it.Wait till you get arrested. The ACLU ain't perfect. It goes waaay too far on seperation of church and state, and it has (until recently) ignored the 2A. That being said, its work on 1A issues and the rights of the accused (not guilty, just accused) has helped stop governmental abuse of power, whether by a local PD, a high school principal or some federal bureacrat,who thought they were answerable to none, many, many times. Lets not forget that.
FQ13
Back at you FQ. I respect your views and I have both agreed with you and learned from you, BUT although my post on the ACLU was somewhat tongue in cheek I stand by it.
#1. I believe that the ACLU has done so much damage to our society regarding the seperation of church and state that it does, and in my opinion, always will outweigh any good that they have done or ever will do. Our society as a whole has lost our moral compass. The consequences of this shift have been disasterous. I blame the ACLU for doing everything in their power to strip God from our collective conscience.
#2. "Wait 'till you get arrested:" I don't ever see myself getting arrested because I don't do anything that would warrant it. Thankfully I still have the right to free speech, without needing the ACLU to grant it. Our founding fathers graciously granted that right and guaranteed it for perpetuity in our living Constitution. If I were to get arrested, for some unforseen reason, I would hire my own attorney or attorneys and have much more confidence in my personal choice.
#3. Our Constitution assures that I am innocent until proven guilty and further guarantees a trial by a jury of my peers. I don't need or desire the assistance of the ACLU in that arena either.
I can hear you now, don't be naive Kid, many people have had those guaranteed rights trampled. Agreed, but I'll take my chances with our justice system. While it is imperfect, I still believe it to be the best in the world and I would rather count upon my own resources than to call upon the ACLU. They have done far too much damage to ever gain my respect.
Next argument, Kid what about the poor and down troden that don't have the resources to fight the good fight. Are you so uncaring that you would throw them to the wolves without the ACLU to stand up for them? I believe in the inherent goodness of the American people and there are both good and altruistic court appointed lawyers and lawyers that will provide pro bono services to right the injustices that can be righted. Again, while imperfect options, I would consider any imperfection to be a good and fair trade off to stop the ACLU from further shredding the fabric of our society.
On this subject I will respectfully have to agree to disagree.
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Where did you EVER find that little guy ;D
http://smileyx.com/smilies/mad0248.gif (right click then 'properties')
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The ACLU was founded on and still believes in the Communist state. It is part of their founding documents.
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Just so everybody knows..... This is a Post Turtle:
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/07/presented-without-comment.html
http://smileyx.com/smilies/mad0248.gif (right click then 'properties')
(Right click then 'View Image')
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(Right click then 'View Image')
It says 'properties' on mine and there is no 'view image' (unless the image did not load). Properties will tell you the URL of the image.
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Step up to Firefox
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http://smileyx.com/index.php (http://smileyx.com/index.php)
here's the sight, just look under 'mad' section. you'll find the little sucker.
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Step up to Firefox
I'm using Firefox!
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I'm using Firefox!
Then use yer glasses........ ;D
Couldn't resist that. ;)
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Then use yer glasses........ ;D
Couldn't resist that. ;)
The glasses that do NOT contain takillya!! ;D
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The glasses that do NOT contain takillya!! ;D
There are actually glasses like that!?
Who knew? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-011.gif)
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There are actually glasses like that!?
Who knew? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/fragend/confused-smiley-011.gif)
The ones that are perched atop your head. The tri-focals. ;D
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The ones that are perched atop your head. The tri-focals. ;D
OH! You mean spectacles! ;D
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The ones that are perched atop your head. The tri-focals. ;D
Probably more like quad-focals....with side-view mirrors.
;D
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I am surprised, really such silly people exist?. ???
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I am surprised, really such silly people exist?. ???
Which ones ?
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I am surprised, really such silly people exist?. ???
Us?.......or the ACLU?
How dare you call the ACLU 'silly'...(unless you work for them and are privileged to inside info)........that would be giving them entirely too much credit. ;) ;D
Now us on the other hand............... ;D
I can handle being called silly........... a little silly mixed in with all the seriousness makes a fuller day sometimes.
We got to remember to smile sometimes....even when we don't have much to smile about.
8)
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Silliness is what keeps us from strangling assholes.
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Can anyone say that the Heller case has made the ACLU, include the 2A? I'm skeptical of course, but maybe? At least some of them. They like the NRA have a loud voice, in government, I would like to believe that, they now have recognized our right. With the backing of the SCOTUS. The decision could have given at least some of them PERMISSION to accept it and pursue it. It would be nice to have them in any part on our side.
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Can anyone say that the Heller case has made the ACLU, include the 2A? I'm skeptical of course, but maybe? At least some of them. They like the NRA have a loud voice, in government, I would like to believe that, they now have recognized our right. With the backing of the SCOTUS. The decision could have given at least some of them PERMISSION to accept it and pursue it. It would be nice to have them in any part on our side.
According to the lady Tom Gresham had on sunday the National Organization is Currently reviewing their policy regarding 2A.
The policy they have now has been in place for 40+ years and is recognized as being out dated.
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Can anyone say that the Heller case has made the ACLU, include the 2A? I'm skeptical of course, but maybe? At least some of them. They like the NRA have a loud voice, in government, I would like to believe that, they now have recognized our right. With the backing of the SCOTUS. The decision could have given at least some of them PERMISSION to accept it and pursue it. It would be nice to have them in any part on our side.
According to the lady Tom Gresham had on sunday the National Organization is Currently reviewing their policy regarding 2A.
The policy they have now has been in place for 40+ years and is recognized as being out dated.
She also said they do not review their policies based on SCOTUS rulings. In their opinion, the SCOTUS has been wrong, and they use the language in the Constitution as the basis for their policies. Yes, she actually said that.
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She also said they do not review their policies based on SCOTUS rulings. In their opinion, the SCOTUS has been wrong, and they use the language in the Constitution as the basis for their policies. Yes, she actually said that.
Listen here
http://cdn1.libsyn.com/guntalk/090719guntalkA.mp3?nvb=20090723120408&nva=20090724121408&t=0b0fee54dac46a11bb2c0
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I like most of what she says except instead of saying "what the Constitution says" she says they base policy based on "what the Constution ought to say."
Leaves a little too much wiggle room for me to jump on board with them. However, I still like that they are starting to move on their stance of the past.
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I'm going to take a wait and see approach as well for far to long it has stood for All Convicted Losers Unite.
We'll see if they are actually going to back what the Constitution SAYS or continue to use their "interpretation of it" as a method to attack our traditional values.