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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on July 06, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
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The Gathering Storm
From Military Aviator, Naval Commander Jerry Wilson, jerrywilson@centurytel.net
When the storm finally hits (and it will), those of you who supported the Obama administration will be affected as well. It won’t just be us gun owners or Flat Taxers, or Pro-Lifers that get hit. You’ll be right there next to us.
You see, you all thought the Conservatives were nut cases. You know, all of us who believe in God, small government, the Second Amendment, etc. And you thought you could just go back to sleep after the election was over. In your world, America will continue as before. You’ll still have the same rights, the same nice house, the same big screen television – it’s all good. After all, your high school football team won and the other team lost – go team! Even if you have bothered to look up from the daily grind since Nov 4th, you dismissed everything that has occurred as “politics as usual” – “the same old stuff”.
In the end, it’ll all be OK won’t it?
Not this time. There are a growing number of citizens in the US that are ready to fight to shut down the government’s grab of personal freedom, it’s blatant abuse of the constitution, and it’s attempt to replace the American way of life with socialism. You have to listen carefully to hear them, but they are there. I won’t start that fight, but when it goes down I will join it.
As for you, why… you’ll be shocked because you didn’t see it coming. And eventually you’ll be saddened when you see that we have truly lost the way of life with which you grew up. You’ll be saddened that your children and grandchildren live in a socialist, government-controlled gulag where their every movement from cradle to grave is tracked by the government. But most of all, you’ll be saddened by the death of friends and relatives who are brave enough to fight and die for something they believe in.
You know, McCain wasn’t much of a candidate. I’ll give you that. He was the lesser of two evils for most of us. I don’t blame you for not voting for him since, at the time, you didn’t know what we all know now. But at least John McCain was an American. He was a supporter of the American way of life and he understood that you can’t negotiate with terrorists. He understood and appreciated the sacrifice made by my father and other members of the Greatest Generation.
Mark my words friends. All across America groups are forming. They are forming out of anger and out of desperation at the thought of losing America. They’re not militia groups, terrorists as the Department of Homeland security would have you believe; they are Americans, loyal to the constitution. They are mothers and fathers and grandparents. They belong to groups like the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, the Peaceful Resistance, the Constitution Party, the Young Conservatives, the 9/12 Project, and Grassfire. Right now they are fragmented, each focused on their own cause. But sometime in the next two years, our government is going to do something really stupid and these groups will come together. Watch for it, wait for it…get ready. It will happen.
When that event happens, whatever “it” is, our great country is going to plunge into chaos for a while. I pray to God that we make it through that time and emerge a stronger, smarter country.
Jerry Wilson
Live Free or Die Fighting
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Have you verified that this guy is for real M'lette? The reason I ask is that there were a few posts like this from bogus military folks aimed at trying to get troops to sign petitions and the like. I don't agree with the communist conspiricacy stuff the guy is throwing around, but thats not the pont. If we just disagree, fine. What concerns me is if he, like a couple of posts 2how (probably inadvertantly, because 2how seems like an honest guy) put up is what he claims to be or just claiming rank to suck in service personell, becuse if its the latter, it pisses me off.
FQ13
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Have you verified that this guy is for real M'lette? The reason I ask is that there were a few posts like this from bogus military folks aimed at trying to get troops to sign petitions and the like. I don't agree with the communist conspiricacy stuff the guy is throwing around, but thats not the pont. If we just disagree, fine. What concerns me is if he, like a couple of posts 2how (probably inadvertantly, because 2how seems like an honest guy) put up is what he claims to be or just claiming rank to suck in service personell, becuse if its the latter, it pisses me off.
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That's because you are one of the snoring herd.
Whether or not the guy actually exists under that name is not really important, his message is dead on.
Their are not as many people like me who have nothing to lose and don't give a damn who they piss off. It is much wiser for those who are vulnerable to post this sort of thing under a Pen name.
Live Free or Die
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Not this time. There are a growing number of citizens in the US that are ready to fight to shut down the government’s grab of personal freedom, it’s blatant abuse of the constitution, and it’s attempt to replace the American way of life with socialism. You have to listen carefully to hear them, but they are there. I won’t start that fight, but when it goes down I will join it.
We were a socialist country long before our Mama Obama came to power.
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Not this time. There are a growing number of citizens in the US that are ready to fight to shut down the government’s grab of personal freedom, it’s blatant abuse of the constitution, and it’s attempt to replace the American way of life with socialism. You have to listen carefully to hear them, but they are there. I won’t start that fight, but when it goes down I will join it.
We were a socialist country long before our Mama Obama came to power.
Who's gonna start it? That's the big question on my mind.
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There are a growing number of citizens in the US that are ready to fight to shut down the government’s grab of personal freedom, it’s blatant abuse of the constitution, and it’s attempt to replace the American way of life with socialism. You have to listen carefully to hear them, but they are there. I won’t start that fight, but when it goes down I will join it.
Count me in !!!
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Along these subject lines. When I purchased a rifle the other day the lady behind the counter that called in the purchase to the government for approval made an error in my name. I pointed out her mistake when she finally paid attention to me, and after she'd hung up the phone with approval, and the manager who was walking her through this said she'd better call back to correct it. She called back, explained her mistake, and asked if they could look up the information from the guns serial number. Didnt work. She gave the the incorrect spelling of my name. Didnt work. They had her just give them all the information again.
This instance, along with the fact that in my younger years (teens, & 20's) wasnt a hundred percent sure of the name of the town I was born in (I knew two names, one was the county, one was the city, wasnt sure which was which), so when filling out these forms I at different times (just not knowing for sure what was right) gave different information on the forms, and have ALWAYS gotten approved, makes me think whoever is getting this phone call isnt keeping the very best, most accurate records in the world. Opinions?
Also, the form you fill out when making the purchase is for State government is it not? I know in Michigan all hand guns must undergo an inspection after the purchase, at which time they are "registered to the owner". I asked a state police officer (who happened to be in a gun store the same time as me, and my question drew a crowd). If I had a pistol before I moved to this state and never registered it when I moved here is there any record kept that could be used to track that pistol to me? He said probably not. Unless a VERY serious Federal crime were commited with it, and FBI became seriously involved, it would likely just go down as being an illegal, but "unregistered weapon".
My point with all this is when Big Brother comes knocking, if you had at some point moved to another state, and didnt re-register all your firearms, I dont think there record keeping would direct them any further after you than your previous states address (why the police want you to update your registrations anytime you move even if its within state). I may be VERY wrong here, so again, opinions???
I sure wish Jerry Willson were right. I think to many people in America have become completely dependent on being lead how to live their lives, how to behave, and how to be politcally correct, so they can conform and be what the press teaches us is "successful". Until people are starving in the streets, they'll wait for other leadership, afraid to act on their own. I just hate that it'll HAVE to get that bad!
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Along these subject lines. When I purchased a rifle the other day the lady behind the counter that called in the purchase to the government for approval made an error in my name. I pointed out her mistake when she finally paid attention to me, and after she'd hung up the phone with approval, and the manager who was walking her through this said she'd better call back to correct it. She called back, explained her mistake, and asked if they could look up the information from the guns serial number. Didnt work. She gave the the incorrect spelling of my name. Didnt work. They had her just give them all the information again.
This instance, along with the fact that in my younger years (teens, & 20's) wasnt a hundred percent sure of the name of the town I was born in (I knew two names, one was the county, one was the city, wasnt sure which was which), so when filling out these forms I at different times (just not knowing for sure what was right) gave different information on the forms, and have ALWAYS gotten approved, makes me think whoever is getting this phone call isnt keeping the very best, most accurate records in the world. Opinions?
Also, the form you fill out when making the purchase is for State government is it not? I know in Michigan all hand guns must undergo an inspection after the purchase, at which time they are "registered to the owner". I asked a state police officer (who happened to be in a gun store the same time as me, and my question drew a crowd). If I had a pistol before I moved to this state and never registered it when I moved here is there any record kept that could be used to track that pistol to me? He said probably not. Unless a VERY serious Federal crime were commited with it, and FBI became seriously involved, it would likely just go down as being an illegal, but "unregistered weapon".
My point with all this is when Big Brother comes knocking, if you had at some point moved to another state, and didnt re-register all your firearms, I dont think there record keeping would direct them any further after you than your previous states address (why the police want you to update your registrations anytime you move even if its within state). I may be VERY wrong here, so again, opinions???
I sure wish Jerry Willson were right. I think to many people in America have become completely dependent on being lead how to live their lives, how to behave, and how to be politcally correct, so they can conform and be what the press teaches us is "successful". Until people are starving in the streets, they'll wait for other leadership, afraid to act on their own. I just hate that it'll HAVE to get that bad!
First, by the law that established it the NICS system is forbidden from keeping records of who bought what. Based on your experience it SEEMS that the law is being obeyed.
Second, the Yellow form that everyone in the country fills out is for FEDERAL (ATF ) use, but is retained by the dealer subject to ATF inspection. Any other forms you fill out depend on your location.
Most likely the armed portion of the revolt will begin by accident, Cop's overreacting to a peaceful protest and firing into a crowd, some thing of that nature. The UNARMED portion of the revolution has already started with things such as the Tea Parties and the 2A march on Washington being organized for next spring.
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Im your huckelberry, call me any time.
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Im your huckelberry, call me any time.
One of my favorite lines in a great movie.
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One of my favorite lines in a great movie.
The other best line: "You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?" ;D
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The other best line: "You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?" ;D
Took a couple of viewings of that scene to realize that the fat bleeder was in fact Billy Bob Thornton! Probably the first moving picture show I ever saw him in!
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The other best line: "You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?" ;D
Along with "Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens." and "Ahm sorry Johnny, are you still there? You are dismissed."
Warning....Warning Severe thread drift ;D
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Along with "Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens." and "Ahm sorry Johnny, are you still there? You are dismissed."
Warning....Warning Severe thread drift ;D
Actually, it's "I'm sorry Johnny, I fawgot you wuh theyuh. You may go now." (I watched it yesterday while I was home sick)
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Actually, it's "I'm sorry Johnny, I fawgot you wuh theyuh. You may go now." (I watched it yesterday while I was home sick)
You sir are 100% correct. Much better that way.
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"I'm yah huckleberry.....thas juss my game."
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Im your huckelberry, call me any time.
Wait, wait, Doc. Holliday, right? Man I remember the line, just cant place it!
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In a post 9/11 world, there will not be a hijacking with box cutters on an American Flight. Those days are over. We as a nation have had enough of that crap.
However,
The storm from within carries more consequences for a nation.
If the "civilized" system of elections fails as the sheeple take on the lemming mentality, it will be a few "activists" that remind the "state" on what principles this country was founded on. Acorn, Americorp, Daily Kos, Code Pink, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid,.. Barbara Boxer, etc,.....will fail in the assimilation of this country. the elections are to close.
I may not start it, but I will damn sure contribute to the end of this usurping violation of this countries Constitution.
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Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.
Capt. John Parker Lexington Ma. 4-19-1775
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AMEN BROTHERS & SISTERS AMEN
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Also, the form you fill out when making the purchase is for State government is it not? I know in Michigan all hand guns must undergo an inspection after the purchase, at which time they are "registered to the owner". I asked a state police officer (who happened to be in a gun store the same time as me, and my question drew a crowd). If I had a pistol before I moved to this state and never registered it when I moved here is there any record kept that could be used to track that pistol to me? He said probably not. Unless a VERY serious Federal crime were commited with it, and FBI became seriously involved, it would likely just go down as being an illegal, but "unregistered weapon".
The only form I fill out is the ATF form. No state registration. Hell, when I moved, I contacted both the old county and the new one (same state) about whether I had to change over the address on the CCW - they both said no, it's a state ID. Even our driver's licenses don't have to be changed physically, just tell them at DOT.
Post-sale registration? State forms? OK, everyone, listen up - do not let this happen in your state. Like Gresham says - no shrug. That means telling the state not only no, but hell no. Work with the NRA and state gun rights groups to get these stupid, immoral, illegal laws changed. They will be used to disarm you when you are least expecting it.
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In Nazi / Granholm occupied Michigan we have to get a "Purchase Permit" from a local police station, present it at time of sale, the dealer keeps a copy with which I dont know what they do (keep it or send it off), take two copies back to the police department and present the firearm to them for inspection. They keep a copy, and you have to keep a copy on your person anytime your in possesion of the handgun. Doesnt apply to riflles or shotguns. This was for years called a "saftey inspection". As of this January the law suits were stacking up to high from people getting hurt from guns that police had inspected for "safety", so they just change it to being called "Registration" (a word they avoided in the past). And you no longer have to carry your copy of the "registration" once its filed.
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Maybe we can secure powerful friends for our cause. I'm sure many of them are with us already...and with them leading a Grassroots Freedom Movement, it would be hard to ignore...and would have much sway with many more armed forces personnel than we already have with us.
I know many of us already have ties here...perhaps we should all work to make them with this objective in mind..
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6769
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People in this country are getting more fed up by the minute. I see it every day. This is one case where silence really is golden. Many are refusing to speak out simply because the left wing controlled media will brand anyone and everyone a "racist" who is the least bit critical of Hussein and his freedom robbing socialist agenda. This is just fueling the fire burning within even further. Hussein will self destruct. It has already started. His blatant printing and spending, (read wasting), of money is all but certain to collapse the dollar.
This will get unquestionably bloody before it all ends. This total fool is destroying lives both personally as well as financially. He is rewarding poor performance, and punishing good. He continues to look for ways to tax anything and everything with a heartbeat. His poll numbers are dropping like a rock. Double digit declines in Ohio, one of the strongest swing states. He appears to be ready, willing, and able to sacrifice his Presidency in the next election to push the strongest possible socialist agenda he possibly can. A true political martyr, if you will. This makes him even more dangerous. Even his fellow Democratic leaders like Harry Reid are backing away from him, since he has become such a far left loose cannon.
Sarah Palin is very smart. She knows she cannot campaign and raise the tremendous amounts of money required to do so from public office. Remember Jimmy Carter? He campaigned for four years. Know one even knew him when he started out. He walked right into the White House. This is a situation of "Pot, Kettle, Black" for the Democrats. They will no doubt criticize Palin for it full well knowing Hussein used his Senate seat to campaign from, for well over 2 years. By the 2012 election Hussein will have this nation so terribly destroyed, most anyone will be able to beat him. The $64,000.00 question is can our nation be saved from this political madman in a suit? There is where the real fear begins! Bill T.
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Coming to a street near you soon!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090709/ts_afp/iran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_on_re_as/as_china_protest
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Read this satire - it tells you all we need to know about bho and his minions. He is not self-destructing, he is following orders and his own inclinations BTW. This is happening on purpose, it is not a thoughtless mistake, it is not a "Gee we underestimated the economy" - those are public saps applied to the temples of the American people to calm them down.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU= (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=)
This is happening, this is real, and it is intentional. That is all you need to know. And by the time the American sheeple wake up, it will be too late. If it isn't already.
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(http://www2.nationalreview.com/nrd/images/covers/20090720.gif)
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Read this satire - it tells you all we need to know about bho and his minions. He is not self-destructing, he is following orders and his own inclinations BTW. This is happening on purpose, it is not a thoughtless mistake, it is not a "Gee we underestimated the economy" - those are public saps applied to the temples of the American people to calm them down.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU= (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=)
This is happening, this is real, and it is intentional. That is all you need to know. And by the time the American sheeple wake up, it will be too late. If it isn't already.
Pathfinder is correct, this is an intention move to destroy the US, leaving the UN to "Restore order". With the fall of the first and last bastion of personal liberty out of the way the road will be wide open for a globalist Nanny state.
The socialists ( They are no more "liberal" than Hitlers Nazi's or Stalin's Commissars ) had better be careful. When the American people have finally had enough they will not get the dignity of the morgue, just bunches of them going into ditches in vacant lots.
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Thank god our press is keeping us up to date on more important issue's. Does ANY channel, radio or tv dare not have 30 minute updates on Michael Jackson?!?! >:( >:( >:(
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Pathfinder is correct, this is an intention move to destroy the US, leaving the UN to "Restore order". With the fall of the first and last bastion of personal liberty out of the way the road will be wide open for a globalist Nanny state.
The socialists ( They are no more "liberal" than Hitlers Nazi's or Stalin's Commissars ) had better be careful. When the American people have finally had enough they will not get the dignity of the morgue, just bunches of them going into ditches in vacant lots.
Yep...It's all a set up...................and don't forget George Soros...........I'm just waiting on him to swing in to 'save the day'.
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Yep...It's all a set up...................and don't forget George Soros...........I'm just waiting on him to swing in to 'save the day'.
Nope, Soros is moving his fortune to China or Russia, somewhere in the BRIC alliance. And it is the Soros' of the world who are funding the "revolution" this time along, with the UN as their errand boy.
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Yep...It's all a set up...................and don't forget George Soros...........I'm just waiting on him to swing in to 'save the day'.
I'm just waiting for him to swing. Like Saddam.