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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: r_w on July 12, 2009, 01:02:38 PM
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or does it frag? It would be 9 or .40 FWIW.
just looking for practice ideas.
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In theory and general - No
However, there is always an exception to the "general." I have seen it leave a big enough chunk to "splatter" a small hole in cardboard. .40 s&w that made a hole about the size of a .22 or maybe slightly smaller.
Safety rules remain the same with this as any other ammo.
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Now that is a hell of a question.
I have shot and still shoot a ton of frangible ammo. I can't say enough good things about it. I think it is one of the best SD rounds out there. I have seen it tested a ton of different ways, but never on water. I would tend to think it would break up. It breaks up if you try to skip it off of steel. I think if there was enough force on the bullet to change it's direction then there would be enough force to break the bullet up when it hit the water.
It would also depend on the manufacturer and hardness of the bullet. You can use the same material in a bullet and make it so that it starts to break apart just by hitting drywall or if you "bake" it a little longer, get the same bullet, same material, to shoot through steel.
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I would not rely on it breaking up. I don't know so better safe than sorry.
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I don't know either :( That is why I asked ;)
I don't care if there are small frags that ricochet a little, I just want my safe backstop to be a hundred yards +/- and not a mile+.
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Depends on whether the water is hard or soft.
Thank you........................thank you very much.
;D
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Depends on whether the water is hard or soft.
Thank you........................thank you very much.
;D
Throw large coins, they'll hurt ;D
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Now that is a hell of a question.
I have shot and still shoot a ton of frangible ammo. I can't say enough good things about it. I think it is one of the best SD rounds out there. I have seen it tested a ton of different ways, but never on water. I would tend to think it would break up. It breaks up if you try to skip it off of steel. I think if there was enough force on the bullet to change it's direction then there would be enough force to break the bullet up when it hit the water.
It would also depend on the manufacturer and hardness of the bullet. You can use the same material in a bullet and make it so that it starts to break apart just by hitting drywall or if you "bake" it a little longer, get the same bullet, same material, to shoot through steel.
Which frangible do you shoot/prefer?
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I shoot ICC ammo (International Cartridge Corporation) or reload with their bullets.
Check them out www.iccammo.com or their online distributor www.frangiblebullets.com
They have a big match coming up this weekend, stop by. ;D
Any questions, just ask.
Make sure you look at the videos with the ballistics gel.
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I shoot ICC ammo (International Cartridge Corporation) or reload with their bullets.
Check them out www.iccammo.com or their online distributor www.frangiblebullets.com
They have a big match coming up this weekend, stop by. ;D
Any questions, just ask.
Make sure you look at the videos with the ballistics gel.
Thanks, I'll give 'em a try.
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http://tinyurl.com/mchs9p
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Ha
I did check there, but I trust the answers here a little more than the average internet.
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I shoot ICC ammo (International Cartridge Corporation) or reload with their bullets.
Check them out www.iccammo.com or their online distributor www.frangiblebullets.com
They have a big match coming up this weekend, stop by. ;D
Any questions, just ask.
Make sure you look at the videos with the ballistics gel.
Dang, they even had .380 acp. My wife is a very happy lady now and "when mama's happy, everybody's happy." ;D
Thanks again!!!
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Dang, they even had .380 acp. My wife is a very happy lady now and "when mama's happy, everybody's happy." ;D
Thanks again!!!
It's what I carry in my .380. The performance of the bullet helps make up what is otherwise lacking.
Did you see the ballistics gel? You've worked in the medical field, how would you like to stitch up someone that has been shot by one of these?
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It's what I carry in my .380. The performance of the bullet helps make up what is otherwise lacking.
Did you see the ballistics gel? You've worked in the medical field, how would you like to stitch up someone that has been shot by one of these?
Looks like a big hole with very little that could be removed. Probably just leave the stiching for the coroner.
I read an E.D. physician's opinions of wounds caused by RBCD frangible ammo. The frangible rounds sound devastating.
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Looks like a big hole with very little that could be removed. Probably just leave the stiching for the coroner.
I read an E.D. physician's opinions of wounds caused by RBCD frangible ammo. The frangible rounds sound devastating.
I'll have to check with my LEO SIL if they classify frangible with hp and expanding jacket here in NJ. If you shoot someone with HP they consider it 'malicious intent", even though it's a safer round as far as your neighbors are concerned.
I also didn't know you could reload frangible....can you crack the bullets or anything when reloading?
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I'll have to check with my LEO SIL if they classify frangible with hp and expanding jacket here in NJ. If you shoot someone with HP they consider it 'malicious intent", even though it's a safer round as far as your neighbors are concerned.
I also didn't know you could reload frangible....can you crack the bullets or anything when reloading?
You do have to be careful with the crimp when reloading, you can snap the bullet off if you put too much crimp on. That doesn't mean it will just come off. I double check mine by taking a round and hitting the bullet off the edge of my reloading bench, if it stays in place, it's good. It takes a little bit to get the feel for it. Definately not as forgiving as conventional bullets.
There are different designs of frangible and they perform differently. A flat or round nosed frangible will fragment against a hard surface and act just like a FMJ when it strikes tissue. Not ideal for self defense, good for practice and the range. When Rob stated in another thread that his friend shot himself in the leg and the round didn't fragment, I'm guessing that they were using this and not duty or carry rounds.
Frangible rounds for self defense or duty have a slight "hollow point" or dimple in the nose of the bullet. This allows for hydrostatic pressure from tissue to fragment the bullet with devastating results. I think you need at least 900 fps for it to work properly. The nose of the bullet fragments, causing damage, and the base of the bullet stays intact, creating a bigger wound channel. Most of the energy is used up within 12-16 inches, depending on the round.
Hope this helps.