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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on July 13, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
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This may have been posted before, but it's worth thinking about when you consider that Napitano hs already classed Veterans and other anti Communists as Extremists:
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news152.htm
By NWV News writer Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern July 5, 2009 © 2009 NewsWithViews.com
An amendment to a bill swiftly moving through the US Congress will allow the Obama Administration's Attorney General to classify Americans as domestic terrorists if they are pro-life, pro-gun and anti-big government.
Impeached Florida judge -- now a Democrat Party member of the House of Representatives -- Rep. Alcee Hastings introduced what some claim is a disturbing piece of legislation. Hasting's amendment calls for the Attorney General to have discretion over who is called a terrorist and what groups will be treated as terrorist groups.
"This is arguably one of the worst pieces of legislation to come down the pike in a long, long time. In essence Attorney General Eric Holder -- a Bill Clinton retread -- will have the discretion to label Americans terrorists. Hastings is a dangerous man and should be forced to resign from congress. He's also proposed the creation of "emergency camps" that are nothing more than prisons," warns political strategist Mike Baker.
"This amendment is part and parcel of the trend in this country to suppress dissent by patriots by calling them domestic terrorists," he added.
In an unclassified report entitled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," Secretary for Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and her agency included the following description of "extremists:"
"Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
Last Thursday, Congressman Trent Franks (R-AZ) made the following remarks on the House Floor regarding Congressman Alcee Hastings’ (D-FL) amendment to the National Defense Authorization bill:
"The Hastings Amendment to the National Defense Authorization bill (which now is being considered en bloc) prohibits the recruitment, enlistment, or retention of persons with known affiliations to "groups determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature."
"Members on both sides of the aisle support the purpose of this amendment because we recognize that there are legitimate concerns about the enlistment of persons who may seek to use their military training to cause harm to innocents, but we should take pause to consider the breadth of this amendment carefully. I just want to express concern about the language of this amendment, and my concerns are shared by many in this House," said Rep. Franks.
"While the amendment seeks to keep gang members and members of violent groups out of the military, the amendment by its language is much more broad. Specifically, it confers upon the Attorney General the ability to categorize groups as hate groups, and this sounds an alarm for many of us because of the recent shocking and offensive report released by the Department of Homeland Security which labeled, arguably, a majority of Americans as "extremists," warned Franks.
"I take extreme offense that the federal government -- through a report issued under the authority of a Cabinet-level official -- would dare to categorize people who are "dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition or abortion or immigration" as "right-wing extremists" and it begs the question of whether the Attorney General, under Mr. Hastings' Amendment, can look to the Napolitano report to decide who is an extremist, or can make the same categorization of the majority of Americans as extremists who may then be kept from joining the military, or who may be discharged," said Rep. Franks.
"I want to state unequivocally that I believe that it is not the intent of this Congress to label pro-lifers, federalism proponents, and pro-immigration enforcement groups and their affiliates as extremists under the bill. My colleagues on the other side of the aisle should make a strong effort to assuage these concerns and make our intentions clear. If the intent of this amendment is to go after citizens because of their political views and moral convictions, then the amendment is unconstitutional. I hope that the sponsor of the Amendment will make clear tonight that this is not the intent," he added.
Rep. Alcee Hastings also introduced what many say is another disturbing piece of legislation. That new bill calls for the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to build at least six facilities that can be designated as "emergency centers. Hastings rationale for such facilities is to gather and "house" civilians on what are basically detention centers guarded by armed soldiers or paramilitary troops.
The House bill (HR 645) -- National Emergency Centers Establishment Act -- is not even on the radar of members of the elite media. According to critics of the plan, if passed the government will create camps or centers that by their nature restrict the activities of US citizens herded into them.
In fact, one provision -- Section 2 (b) (4) -- states: "[To] meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security."
One critic, political strategist Mike Baker claims the idea of such detention center smacks of the type of concentration camps for political dissidents, such as occurred in Nazi Germany, Americans find repugnant.
"Why aren't the news media covering this story? Could it be because they fear being the first occupants of these so-called emergency installations? Where is the outrage by our nation's Fourth Estate?" asks Baker.
Hastings bill is suspected of attempting to help expand the President Obama's military and law enforcement powers. While Hastings pushes this bill, even Republican congressmen are hesitant to remind one another and the nation that this Florida congressman was impeached while he sat on Florida's federal court bench.
Appointed by President Jimmy Carter in 1979, he became the first African-American federal judge in the state of Florida, and served in that position for ten years. He’s still called “Judge” by some of his colleagues, but one would think he’d rather forget his days on the federal bench.
In 1989, Judge Hastings was impeached by the US House of Representatives for bribery and perjury. The Democratic-controlled Senate convicted Hastings of accepting a $150,000 bribe in 1981 in exchange for a lenient sentence and of perjury in his testimony about the case. Hastings said the charges against him smacked of racism.
Even Rep. John Conyers, who is also black, said he “found no trace of racism during the investigation.” He urged his colleagues to remove Hastings from the bench. He said, “[Hastings] is unfit to serve.” When the ultra-liberal Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi nominated Hastings for the chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee, even members of her own political party balked.
"The prospect of Rep. Alcee Hastings becoming the chairman of the House of Representative’s Intelligence Committee was proposed by Congressional Black Caucus, who had been pressuring the new House Speaker Pelosi to appoint blacks to key leadership positions and Hasting benefited from the pressure on the radical left Pelosi," said former Detective Sidney Frances (NYPD-ret.), himself an African-American.
While Hastings did not become chairman of that committee, he is a ranking member of the Homeland Security Subcommittee.
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It is a sad time that we are now living in.
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hmmmm now where dose that sound familer...............
ahh that's right here ::)
like our terror laws or our anti association laws ::)
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Ok, so let me see if I understand this....If you practice Islam, go to a training camp in Afghanistan, and blow up a subway in Britain, then you are labeled a "misguided criminal". But if you believe in a right to life, a right to protect that life, and you think that you know better than the Feds, what is best for you, then you are a terrorist? Even if you have committed no crime?
Since when did these people get the idea that they could police thought? Hate crime legislation...never ceases to make blood shoot out of my eyes.
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Since when did these people get the idea that they could police thought?
Tuesday, November 4th 2008
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Ok, so let me see if I understand this....If you practice Islam, go to a training camp in Afghanistan, and blow up a subway in Britain, then you are labeled a "misguided criminal". But if you believe in a right to life, a right to protect that life, and you think that you know better than the Feds, what is best for you, then you are a terrorist? Even if you have committed no crime?
Since when did these people get the idea that they could police thought? Hate crime legislation...never ceases to make blood shoot out of my eyes.
Comment of the day award!
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Tuesday, November 4th 2008
Runner up.
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I looked up the actual amendment because I’m never quite willing to accept the interpretation of others on the Internet.
http://www.alceehastings.house.gov/images/stories/hastfl_045_xml_military_amendment_6.09.pdf
It is truly a fearful thought that the 1st Amendment is under attack from the same the same people who are attacking the 2nd Amendment. Gun owners have always pointed out that, if one is willing to try to take away one Constitutional right, then all the others are in play, too.
This amendment is focused at the military so as to prohibit "a person associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence against groups or persons or the United States Government, as determined by the Attorney General, may not be recruited, enlisted, or retained in the armed forces."
From the bill:
“DEFINITION OF HATE GROUP.—In this subsection, the terms ‘group associated with hate-related violence’ or ‘hate group’ mean the following:
(A) Groups or organizations that espouse or engage in acts of violence against other groups or minorities based on ideals of hate, ethnic supremacies, white supremacies, racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, or other bigotry ideologies.
(B) Groups or organizations engaged in criminal gang activity including drug and weapons trafficking and smuggling.
(C) Groups or organizations that espouse an intention or expectation of armed revolutionary activity against the United States Government, or the violent overthrow of the United States Government.
(D) Groups or organizations that espouse an intention or expectation of armed activity in a ‘race war’.
(E) Groups or organizations that encourage members to join the armed forces in order to obtain military training to be used for acts of violence against minorities, other groups, or the United States Government.
(F) Groups or organizations that espouse violence based on race, creed, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
(G) Other groups or organizations that are determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature.
So the Attorney General would get unfettered powers to determine which groups are of a violent or extremist nature.
If people like Alcee Hastings are willing to do this for the military can you believe they wouldn’t do this for other purposes?
Can you conceive the possibility that DTV or other blogs you frequent ever get defined as such a group?
I always thought that I was free to say what ever I wanted no matter how repugnant others might consider my comments. That is not to say that there are not consequences for what I say but I shouldn’t fear that the government will restrict my rights.
People need to wake-up regarding this crew in power right now. The populace may find themselves in the same position as people in Germany. I’m reminded of the poem published in a 1955 book by Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, based on interviews he'd conducted in Germany post-WWII.
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
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(G) Other groups or organizations that are determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature.
And that pretty much leaves the door open for whatever the hell they want...... United Communist States of America.
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And that pretty much leaves the door open for whatever the hell they want...... United Communist States of America.
Close, United Socialist Countries of the World. Problem with most of these ignorant, arrogant, elitist, political, dope heads, is that they think that a one world government is going to have a place at the table for them. What the idiots are to blind to see is that the people pushing the world government first have to destroy the U.S. So with no U.S. power behind them, where do these politicians expect to stand in the new world order? ???
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Since when did these people get the idea that they could police thought? Hate crime legislation...never ceases to make blood shoot out of my eyes.
Since Lenin (Vladimir, not John, John said "happiness is a warm gun" ) Told them that was how to keep the sheeple in line.
“DEFINITION OF HATE GROUP.—In this subsection, the terms ‘group associated with hate-related violence’ or ‘hate group’ mean the following:
(C) Groups or organizations that espouse an intention or expectation of armed revolutionary activity against the United States Government, or the violent overthrow of the United States Government
(E) Groups or organizations that encourage members to join the armed forces in order to obtain military training to be used for acts of violence against minorities, other groups, or the United States Government.
(G) Other groups or organizations that are determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature.[/color][/size]
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
Item "C" means that if you think the post turtle in chief's policies will lead to wide spread civil unrest when the economy collapses YOUR A TERRORIST
Item "E" means that if you advocate joining the military to resist radical Islam, who's members have publicly vowed to destroy our way of life, YOU ARE A TERRORIST
Item "G" means "Any REAL Americans we may have missed in the other items".
Well they might as well come get me, because I believe that with in 4 years at the absolute most there will be armed groups roaming America killing any one connected with the US Govt. and when they start hanging socialists in MY area, I hope I'll be allowed to help.
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Here's is BHO's statement on the racist,
The White House, Washington
Good Morning,
Yesterday, Judge Sonia Sotomayor made her opening statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee and moved another step closer to taking a seat on the United States Supreme Court. In case you missed it, watch the video of her opening statement here:
Judge Sotomayors Opening Statement
As President, there are few responsibilities more serious or consequential than the naming of a Supreme Court Justice, so I want to take this opportunity to tell you about the qualifications and character that informed my decision to nominate Judge Sotomayor.
Judge Sotomayor's brilliant legal mind is complemented by the practical lessons that can only be learned by applying the law to real world situations.
In the coming days, the hearings will cover an incredible body of work from a judge who has more experience on the federal bench than any incoming Supreme Court Justice in the last 100 years. Judge Sotomayor's professional background spans our judicial system — from her time as a big-city prosecutor and a corporate litigator, to her work as a federal trial judge on the U.S. District Court, and an appellate judge on the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.
And then there is Judge Sotomayor's incredible personal story. She grew up in a housing project in the South Bronx — her parents coming to New York from Puerto Rico during the Second World War. At the age of nine, she lost her father, and her mother worked six days a week just to put food on the table. It takes a certain resilience and determination to rise up out of such circumstances, focus, work hard and achieve the American dream.
This character shined through in yesterday's opening statement: Watch the video.
In Judge Sotomayor, our nation will have a Justice who will never forget her humble beginnings, will always apply the rule of law, and will be a protector of the Constitution that made her American dream and the dreams of millions of others possible. As she said so clearly yesterday, Judge Sotomayor's decisions on the bench "have been made not to serve the interests of any one litigant, but always to serve the larger interest of impartial justice."
In anticipation of today's first round of questioning, I hope you'll share this email widely, because Judge Sotomayor's confirmation is something that affects every American. It's important for these hearings to be about Judge Sotomayor's own record and her capacity for the job — not any political back and forth that some in Washington may use to distract you. What members of the Judiciary Committee, and the American people, will see today is a sharp and fearless jurist who does not let powerful interests bully her into breaking from the rule of law.
Thank you,
Barack Obama
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You got to be shitting me.
"Judge Sotomayor's brilliant legal mind is complemented by the practical lessons that can only be learned by"
Being overturned in 2/3 of her decisions
".In Judge Sotomayor, our nation will have a Justice who will never forget her humble beginnings,"
Although she may try REAL hard to forget that comment that "If it weren't for Affirmative Action she would not have gotten into good schools because her grades weren't as good as her fellow students".
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will always apply the rule of law, and will be a protector of the Constitution
Yeah Right.. Let's see if she knows what "Shall not be INFRINGED" means.
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Sent to my Senators,
Dear Sir,
Ms Sotomayor has demonstrated by her judicial rulings (4 of 6 over turned), her membership in extremist anti-American organizations (La Raza), and her comments stating that she would rule based on her experience, that she is unqualified to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States.
Furthermore her comments that the Second Amendment is about hunting and is not a fundamental right nor worthy of incorporation displays her disdain for established law and the Bill of Rights as written.
I will be closely watching your vote and let me assure you that if you vote to confirm her appointment it will severely negatively impact your chances for re-election.
Sincerely,
xxxxxx
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The only remotely encouraging thing I can come away with is the thought that perhaps many of us will be housed in the same concentration camp.
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The only remotely encouraging thing I can come away with is the thought that perhaps many of us will be housed in the same concentration camp mass grave.
Hope my edit is O.K. ;)
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Quote from: tt11758 on Today at 12:20:21
The only remotely encouraging thing I can come away with is the thought that perhaps many of us will be housed in the same concentration camp mass grave.
Hope my edit is O.K. Wink
They have to EARN it, We ARE the ones with the guns after all.
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The only remotely encouraging thing I can come away with is the thought that perhaps many of us will be housed in the same concentration camp.
The Heart Mountain Internment Camp, for Japanese-Americans during WWII is within a couple hours of my home. It's a historical site now, but it wouldn't take much to convert it back into a "full use" facility.
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I have stated this before, and while Tom backed me off at the time. I am still not convinced that the Feds aren't trying to incite something here. I mean they label anyone who dissents a "terrorist" and are trying every end run around the constitution. They are passing legislation in the middle of the night, and banning guns anywhere they can get away with it.
I am starting to think they are just waiting for rioting. Then they can come in Iranian style and start getting rid of opposition for good. We all know that the media is in their pocket, so the masses wouldn't see both sides. Making the dissenters look like brutal thugs.
Everyday I watch the news, and I read your comments, and I listen to people talk. The more I hear, and see, and read. The more I feel like the Second Amendment March next year will not be done with empty holsters.
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I have stated this before, and while Tom backed me off at the time. I am still not convinced that the Feds aren't trying to incite something here. I mean they label anyone who dissents a "terrorist" and are trying every end run around the constitution. They are passing legislation in the middle of the night, and banning guns anywhere they can get away with it.
I am starting to think they are just waiting for rioting. Then they can come in Iranian style and start getting rid of opposition for good. We all know that the media is in their pocket, so the masses wouldn't see both sides. Making the dissenters look like brutal thugs.
Everyday I watch the news, and I read your comments, and I listen to people talk. The more I hear, and see, and read. The more I feel like the Second Amendment March next year will not be done with empty holsters.
Oh yes, I remember that, I maintained that they were to blind to see the consequences of their actions till they got bit. I'm not so sure about that now and I agree completely with the rest of your post.
Giethner was a test of the sheeple. Question: are they dumb and gutless enough to let us put a tax evader in charge of the Treasury ? Answer: YES !