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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: Ulmus on July 14, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
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I've been thinking about Mr. Bane's Podcast where he talked about buying "Disposable" guns for areas that aren't gun friendly. These were enclaves that while "followed the law" for concealed carry, made loopholes that allowed them to "confiscate" and keep firearms from the rightful owner.
My mind also tied it up with New Orleans during the Katrina aftermath. (No surprise, give the you tube vids of illegal gun confiscation)
So with this in my head I thought about the guns Mr. Bane talked about, and thought about updating it a bit. He focused on low price and availability with a decent ,though not neccessarily comon, caliber. The main gun I remember him talking about was the Marakov with its unique version of the 9mm round.
Now I was thinking that for roughly $100, you could buy a new hiPoint in 9mm luger and have the advantage of a common caliber. Also, if you wanted to pay a bit more, you could get a Hi Point in .40S&W or .45ACP. They would be a lot bulkier than the marakov, but they pack more stopping power.
Also, if its a Katrina situation, the carbine could be helpfull and the "loss" of a HiPoint carbine might be a little easier to swallow than the loss of an AR or AK.
What do you think and what would you choose as a disposable firearm?
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Not $100 anymore... prices have gone up..... Approx $175-$200 now:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=411536823
*I would say $325 S&W Sigma
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283
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I apply that thought to all my working guns. I fully expect to permanently lose my CC weapon if I ever have to use it.
But it has to be RELIABLE above all.
When I made the choice, it was a no-brainer--Glock was THE affordable duty-rated pistol. If I had to re-do the decision today, the choice would be a lot harder.
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+1 used Glock police trade in.
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I apply that thought to all my working guns. I fully expect to permanently lose my CC weapon if I ever have to use it.
But it has to be RELIABLE above all.
When I made the choice, it was a no-brainer--Glock was THE affordable duty-rated pistol. If I had to re-do the decision today, the choice would be a lot harder.
I also expect to lose my firearm if I am required to use it, however even if that turns out to be a Les Baer 1911, then so be it. At least I will have lost a dependable, reliable firearm that served the intended purpose. If I and my loved ones walk away and they take my gun into evidence because the BG took a hit, well that's OK with me. If I am here in Texas when the incident occurs, I feel certain that any firearm, used in a justifiable shooting, will eventually be returned.
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I also expect to lose my firearm if I am required to use it, however even if that turns out to be a Les Baer 1911, then so be it. At least I will have lost a dependable, reliable firearm that served the intended purpose. If I and my loved ones walk away and they take my gun into evidence because the BG took a hit, well that's OK with me. If I am here in Texas when the incident occurs, I feel certain that any firearm, used in a justifiable shooting, will eventually be returned.
+10000 You don't buy a car you won't drive, or a gun you won't shoot. Why in God's name did you buy the thing in first place? In the case of a pistol, its to save your ass. If it does that once, you've more than gotten your money's worth. Why would I buy a cheap POS to preserve a safe queen from a possible after shooting confiscation? So they could bury me with it? Do I want "He saved $800" on my tombstone? No thanks. I'll carry the best I have.
FQ13
PS ALL guns are disposable. They're just tools. When it comes to SD they are like Dixie cups, use once and discard.
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+10000 You don't buy a car you won't drive, or a gun you won't shoot. Why in God's name did you buy the thing in first place? In the case of a pistol, its to save your ass. If it does that once, you've more than gotten your money's worth. Why would I buy a cheap POS to preserve a safe queen from a possible after shooting confiscation? So they could bury me with it? Do I want "He saved $800" on my tombstone? No thanks. I'll carry the best I have.
FQ13
PS ALL guns are disposable. They're just tools. When it comes to SD they are like Dixie cups, use once and discard.
Well said.....You nailed it brother. :)
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I agree the gun needs to be 100 percent reliable. I would choose a reliable but replacable gun. I have no use for the hipoint even as a throwaway. There are better throw away guns. At the range last week a guy beside me had a hipoint and out of a box of 50 ball 9mm it jammed at least 20 times. I would trust my life to a derringer first.
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I have owned a couple of Hi-Point 9mm Carbines. Very cheap and drove tacks all day long. I would not want the pistols though. Big, bulky and the sights are horrible.
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if I have to use my gun in SD, the last thing I'm worried about is my gun. I really don't think I would want a gun back that I had to shoot some one with anyways.
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I may have go gauge my eyes out when I see this in print, but I agree with FQ AND TAB on this I would give up a Krieghoff Luger and think I got a bargain if it saved my life.
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Wait, Did I miss something?
Shooting someone (God forbid) in a SD situation......
If I am justified. and have NO CHARGES brought against me.....I Get the Gun Back!!!
What are we like Don Corleone? Smash it and throw it down a few chimney's?
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I agree the gun needs to be 100 percent reliable. I would choose a reliable but replacable gun. I have no use for the hipoint even as a throwaway. There are better throw away guns. At the range last week a guy beside me had a hipoint and out of a box of 50 ball 9mm it jammed at least 20 times. I would trust my life to a derringer first.
I have the C-9 compact and I have fire thousands of rounds without one ftf. Reloads, ball, hollow point, many different mfgs, it eats it all with no problems.
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We had a guy on our dept. that went through firearms training with an hi point. All the instrutors said it wouldn't hold up. He bet them dinner that it wouldn't malfuntion. Three of the four have bought him dinner so far :P
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I have the C-9 compact and I have fire thousands of rounds without one ftf. Reloads, ball, hollow point, many different mfgs, it eats it all with no problems.
Haz,
You can't imagine how happy I am to hear that. My son picked up a C-9 yesterday. He has not fired it yet. I am not familiar with them at all. I was concerned, mainly due to the low cost. It made me wonder about reliability.
Now it appears that my son is smarter than his old man. He got a good gun at a great price.
Thanks Haz. You made me feel much better. ;)
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I have the C-9 compact and I have fire thousands of rounds without one ftf. Reloads, ball, hollow point, many different mfgs, it eats it all with no problems.
I too have the C-9.
Yes, it's heavy,ugly and cheep..
AND it eats EVERYTHING..
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I too have the C-9.
Yes, it's heavy,ugly and cheep..
AND it eats EVERYTHING..
Thats all you could ever want in a gun
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The point of a self defense firearm is to be able to defend yourself from lethal threat. If you are willing to carry a gun "when you are not supposed to" or "when it might be taken away" because you believe in the first sentence, are you really going to worry about a few hundred dollars?
A Self defense gun should be reliable before all else. If you are looking for a bargain SD firearm, look for a used revolver.
-RJP
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Bullseye Mr Pincus that is what I was getting at.
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i totally agree.....a person generally gets what they pay for......
but
its like the old saying--------one man's hamburger is another man's steak......
an inexpensive firearm does not necessarily make a bad firearm. It might sound crazy, but saturday night specials and "low-end" guns do have a place in our society........especially for folks living paycheck to paycheck or on a tight fixed income.
But as far as "disposable" guns go......i don't worry about the concept as "confiscation" is the least of my concerns......be it a $150 gun or a $600 gun.....i want to survive.
I know several folks that depend on the hi-point because its what they can afford for house and vehicle guns. From what i've seen, they are reliable. Even some officers i know carry the hi-point carbines in their vehicles and they are reliable as well.
Will i carry one? no. I'm spoiiled with my "j" frames.
As with any gun be it hi-point, ruger, smith, or what-ever----------shoot it and shoot it alot to make sure it is reliable. Many an expensive gun has failed out of the box as well.
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+1000 deputy125.
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i totally agree.....a person generally gets what they pay for......
but
its like the old saying--------one man's hamburger is another man's steak......
an inexpensive firearm does not necessarily make a bad firearm. It might sound crazy, but saturday night specials and "low-end" guns do have a place in our society........especially for folks living paycheck to paycheck or on a tight fixed income.
But as far as "disposable" guns go......i don't worry about the concept as "confiscation" is the least of my concerns......be it a $150 gun or a $600 gun.....i want to survive.
I know several folks that depend on the hi-point because its what they can afford for house and vehicle guns. From what i've seen, they are reliable. Even some officers i know carry the hi-point carbines in their vehicles and they are reliable as well.
Will i carry one? no. I'm spoiiled with my "j" frames.
As with any gun be it hi-point, ruger, smith, or what-ever----------shoot it and shoot it alot to make sure it is reliable. Many an expensive gun has failed out of the box as well.
I have fired a hi-point. and I like it. nice shooter and the owner has not taken it down 100% for cleaning, and she's still runnin'n fine
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Sorry my life has no price tag on it. If and when im going to carry the pistol, it has to well tested using various types of ammo and made by company with a good rep. Price is not an option here.
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Rob is completely right about revolvers being the biggest bargain out there........
My buddy has an ancient Charter Arms .38 snubbie (Worth about $100-$125) that runs like a clock Glock. It is a viable self defense fire arm indeed, and from what I've seen of it, I would bet my life on it.
*I have given him a standing offer of $100 cash if he ever gets tired of it! ;)
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Rob is completely right about revolvers being the biggest bargain out there........
My buddy has an ancient Charter Arms .38 snubbie (Worth about $100-$125) that runs like a clock Glock. It is a viable self defense fire arm indeed, and from what I've seen of it, I would bet my life on it.
*I have given him a standing offer of $100 cash if he ever gets tired of it! ;)
I have an aquaintence with the same snubbie with a similar offer. Something for the nightstand, glove box, tool box, etc.... I think he may have paid about 200 for his.
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I have an aquaintence with the same snubbie with a similar offer. Something for the nightstand, glove box, tool box, etc.... I think he may have paid about 200 for his.
My everyday carry gun is a snubbie and the hi-point is a "fun" gun I bought for the family. It has been my truck gun from time to time.
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Gave my Smith and Wesson snubbie to my father cause he did not have a self defense firearm. I miss that revolver.
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Gave my Smith and Wesson snubbie to my father cause he did not have a self defense firearm. I miss that revolver.
I just traded a chair for one a few weeks ago (4"). I fully intended to sell it. Then I sobered up. ;D
FQ13
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Smart Man FQ. Smith and Wesson makes a fine revolver. I just had some particular attachment to this one.
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Must have been a hell of a chair.
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Must have been a hell of a chair.
Leather Lazy boy, a friend gave it to me when he moved, but it was too short for me. All told, zero $, nice gun, I win. ;D
FQ13
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Good Trade ;D What model, it will be stamped inside the cylinder crane ?
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Leather Lazy boy, a friend gave it to me when he moved, but it was too short for me. All told, zero $, nice gun, I win. ;D
FQ13
Awesome deal. A free Smith. Enjoy it. Gotta love wheel guns. :)
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Good Trade ;D What model, it will be stamped inside the cylinder crane ?
This is the famous "mystery Smith" that I was trying to sell for friend. Its a CTG. She was more than happy to trade it for the chair as she didn't want a gun in the house. I never liked the chair, love the gun and know never to ask her out. Its all good. ;D
FQ13
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good topic, but the thread has run a bit astray.... Thanks Guys.