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Title: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Erusen on July 15, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
Hopefully, the NRA or the like will step in to defend this Noble man:

Quote from: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09196/984062-100.stm
Man who wore gun to Obama rally goes on trial

Wednesday, July 15, 2009

By Daniel Malloy, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Testimony began this morning in the trial of a man charged with disrupting a public meeting for taking a gun to an Obama campaign rally in Beaver last year.

John Noble, of Industry, openly carried his Glock pistol to the Aug. 29 outdoor rally at a park across the street from the Beaver County courthouse. The gun was licensed and open carry is legal in most places in Pennsylvania.

John Atkinson, of Beaver, testified that he saw Mr. Noble with his gun holstered at his hip and alerted authorities. "I was scared for my family because it's the situation of it -- the first black guy nominated to be president of the United States," Mr. Atkinson said, "All the crazy things people do these days, you never know what's going to happen."

Mr. Noble did not cause a noticeable disturbance. He was carrying a Bible and handing out pro-gun fliers. Three law enforcement officers testified that Mr. Noble was compliant and they detained him because they were told to watch for suspicious people and anyone with a weapon.

Prosecutors must prove Mr. Noble intentionally disrupted a public gathering and will present postings he made on Internet forums. In the postings Mr. Noble asked fellow gun owners to join him to send a message to then-Sen. Barack Obama in response to his comments at a fund raiser that Pennsylvanians "cling to guns or religion." Testimony was scheduled to continue this afternoon before Beaver County Judge Harry E. Knafelc.

More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

First published on July 15, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: tt11758 on July 15, 2009, 03:51:15 PM
If the gun was licensed, and open carry is legal there, then what's the problem?  Had this gentleman been wearing a LEO uniform nobody would have thought a thing about it.  Ok, I can feel the steam building........ready to erupt from my ears.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Kid Shelleen on July 15, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
The gentleman was carrying a licensed firearm and open carry was legal.

My biggest concern is that the government is using his internet posts against him.

Shhhhhhhh, Big Brother is listening.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Ping on July 15, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
What were the comments he made on a internet forum????
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: JC5123 on July 15, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
If the gun was licensed, and open carry is legal there, then what's the problem?  Had this gentleman been wearing a LEO uniform nobody would have thought a thing about it.  Ok, I can feel the steam building........ready to erupt from my ears.


The anti's have it so ingrained in the public that guns are evil. And that anyone that would openly wear one in public must be a deranged lunitic bent on a mass shooting. Because we all know, there is no need for the public to fear, law enforcement is there to protect us. ::)

I actually do have a pretty high opinion of LEO's. But I find it completely absurd to expect that they can protect me at all times.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: MikeBjerum on July 15, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
Would/will they be prosecuting everyone that chanted anti BHO thoughts at rallies?  To me, chanting that interfiers with my ability to hear a speaker is more disruptive than a person legally carrying two items and handing out literature.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Erusen on July 15, 2009, 04:07:10 PM



I actually do have a pretty high opinion of LEO's. But I find it completely absurd to expect that they can protect me at all times.

Same here. We have a great bunch of deputies where I live. But I would rather they did not have to investigate a murder or robbery committed against me.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: mudman on July 15, 2009, 04:09:49 PM
NO SHOES THROWN  WHAT DISRUPTION
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: long762range on July 15, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
At least he only lost a Glock.  It could have been a good gun he was wearing.









 ;D
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 15, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
The gun was licensed and open carry is legal in most places in Pennsylvania.
Mr. Noble did not cause a noticeable disturbance.
Three law enforcement officers testified that Mr. Noble was compliant and they detained him


This heinous extremist actually dared exercise Constitutional  rights ?
I guess Freedom of expression only applies to child porn and flag burning.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Kid Shelleen on July 15, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
What were the comments he made on a internet forum????
They were probably very similar to the comments made by all of us you, every day. ;D
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: 1911 Junkie on July 15, 2009, 05:18:29 PM
"The gun was licensed"?

We don't "license" firearms here.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Conagher 45 on July 15, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
At least he only lost a Glock.  It could have been a good gun he was wearing.









 ;D
Yeah it could have been a M&P , XD or God forbid a 1911
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: tt11758 on July 15, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
At least he only lost a Glock.  It could have been a good gun he was wearing.









 ;D


So true.  Coulda been a 1911.  Or anything OTHER than a Block.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Texas_Bryan on July 15, 2009, 05:49:24 PM
Exercising ones Constitutional right to bear arms and free speech is now a crime?  Literally, no crime was committed and this person is being taken to trial.  Sounds like 'doublethink' right out of Orwell.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Hopefully, the people who are perpetrating this corruption won't be afforded a trial for their actual crimes.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: twyacht on July 15, 2009, 06:19:12 PM
Exercising his right at a BHO rally?

Usually there is screening, metal detectors, etc,... If there was none at said rally, than he knew he was going to be "pushing the envelope".

Everybody knows security is ratcheted up at a POTUS whatever, and yes within his right to carry openly, what did he expect?

The Secret Service or LEO's were just going to let him "walk around a POTUS rally?"

It takes big cohonas to do what he did, he probably knew what the outcome would be, and I commend his standing up for his right, however guns are not going to allowed at a POTUS anythng, unless carried by LEO"s.

Think about the 2nd Amend. March. Show up openly carrying?

D.C. and Most states do not allow carrying of anything on Fed. property. Maybe a pocket knife....

Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Ping on July 15, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
At least he was carrying a fine firearm. I just hope he did not say anything in reference to harming Obama. Big difference in free speech there cause that is where the Fed's draw the line. You cannot threaten the President, even in jest. That is the law. Anyone can bitch, gripe or complain, but all threats are taken seriously until proven otherwise.
If the guy was taken just due to someone being afraid of a weapon not being worn by a sworn peace officer, well shame on them. But if he made written or spoken violent statements towards Obama than he is screwed.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 15, 2009, 07:06:30 PM
 It was not a POTUS rally, It was CANDIDATE BO., He was carrying a Bible and wearing a pistol as part of his protest against BO's racist inflammatory remarks about "Gun and Bible clinging". There was no cause to arrest him or charge him with ANYTHING. According to the article his internet posts were in reference to organizing a protest, nothing wrong there either.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: Ping on July 15, 2009, 07:20:18 PM
Tom, they are going to go at him with everything. If he did not apply for a permit to protest, they are going to hit him on that. If he made no direct threats, he should be fine and I hope the NRA and any others with some money are able to get involved to support his defense.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: twyacht on July 15, 2009, 07:30:33 PM
BHO was the "first" candidate to be extended Secret Service Protection that actually had to be signed by Pres. Bush. (ironic but true.) Late Winter/Spring 08.

They knew what "could happen" even at a candidate function. There will be an implied Federal usurpation of state law for a Pres. candidate, and states won't touch it.

Was he within his rights to carry? Yes..... At a POTUS candidate rally? .....We both know the answer....Those days are long gone...

He was compliant and cooperative, that should help if he has a clean record.  I hope one day he can get his pistol back, but his house has already been "bugged" and he is on the "watch list" for sure...

He will need two layers of tin foil for his hat... :P

Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: philw on July 15, 2009, 08:10:38 PM
BHO was the "first" candidate to be extended Secret Service Protection that actually had to be signed by Pres. Bush. (ironic but true.) Late Winter/Spring 08.

They knew what "could happen" even at a candidate function. There will be an implied Federal usurpation of state law for a Pres. candidate, and states won't touch it.


A good mate of mine ( and a comedian)  was over there during the democratic convention  and covered this exact thing  in this show he did for a new paper here in Australia

http://www.heavy.com/video/57415  ( just after the behoe girl )
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: ericire12 on July 15, 2009, 08:31:01 PM
I thought that if a dignitary/politician was in a building/place it was deemed a default gun free zone. Am I mistaken on this?
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: BAC on July 15, 2009, 08:49:18 PM
"The gun was licensed"?

We don't "license" firearms here.

I was scratching my head at that one, too.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 15, 2009, 10:14:09 PM
I thought that if a dignitary/politician was in a building/place it was deemed a default gun free zone. Am I mistaken on this?

Not that I know of, I was already in a restaurant wearing a pistol, (that SS was AWARE of ) when BJ walked in and no one said anything to me.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: blackwolfe on July 16, 2009, 01:38:52 AM
I remember when this happened and the guy was detained.
If I remember correctly he was stopped several hours before the rally started.  He was outside of the rally area.  The Secret Service was called in by the locals and after a brief assesment of the situation declined to take any action as John Noble was not a threat.

I read some of this guys post right after it happened.  I don't remember his user name or the forum for sure, but I think he posted about this on a PA gun forum and on the Ruger forum.  It might have also been greybeard outdoors or the AR forum.

This sounds like a good cause for jury nulification.

Basically in my oinion the local cops and prosecutors look like fools over this and have their panties twisted, so they're going to show John Noblel who's in charge.
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: blackwolfe on July 16, 2009, 02:09:40 AM
Found some of it.

User name MtnJack, or Mtn Jack, or Mountain Jack.  The PAFOA, PA Firearms Owner Association forum.  The link will take you to the thread.  142 pages long.  If I find more, I'll post additional links.  Did we dicuss this here at one time?



http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/31196-mtn-jack-arrested-oc-near-obama-rally-site.html


http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=34656&highlight=
Title: Re: Man who wore gun to BHO rally
Post by: True_Texan on July 16, 2009, 05:08:49 AM
After following blackwolfe's links, I found this link on PAFOA forums:

http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/31787-mtn-jacks-arrest-legal-info-thread.html