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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: rojawe on July 18, 2009, 01:17:19 PM
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104348
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I'm screwed
"Thompson noted that the report also targeted as "potential terrorists" Americans who:
* Oppose abortion
* Oppose same-sex marriage
* Oppose restrictions on firearms
* Oppose lax immigration laws
* Oppose the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
* Oppose continuation of free trade agreements
* Are suspect of foreign regimes
* Fear Communist regimes
* Oppose a "one world" government
* Bemoan the decline of U.S. stature in the world
* Are upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India, and more"
But I'm in good company ;D
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Quote from the article:
The scenario "will begin in the aftermath of a national terrorist event outside of the United States, and exercise play will center on preventing subsequent efforts by the terrorists to enter the United States and carry out additional attacks. This scenario enables participating senior officials to focus on issues related to preventing terrorist events domestically and protecting U.S. critical infrastructure."
So now, in the event of a major international act of terrorism, we are asking Mexico to protect our Southern border. Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse!!!! I was not the least bit surprised to find out that this was a "White House directed" initiave.
What's next? Maybe Kim Jong-Il can assist us with missle defense. >:(
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I'm screwed
"Thompson noted that the report also targeted as "potential terrorists" Americans who:
* Oppose abortion
* Oppose same-sex marriage
* Oppose restrictions on firearms
* Oppose lax immigration laws
* Oppose the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
* Oppose continuation of free trade agreements
* Are suspect of foreign regimes
* Fear Communist regimes
* Oppose a "one world" government
* Bemoan the decline of U.S. stature in the world
* Are upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India, and more"
But I'm in good company ;D
I think there are only about 2 or 3 people on here who aren't in that boat with us, TB. ;D
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Sounds like the scenario posed in Patriots witht he import of European troops after the crash..
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Sounds like the scenario posed in Patriots witht he import of European troops after the crash..
You're right Path. This is one time that I could do without life following fiction.
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Hate to burst y'alls bubble but there have been foriegn troops operating in the US for excersises like this and smaller/larger for a LONG time. Spent part of the summer last year with the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Kiwis in California. Headed back out for the same this year. I've done more than one RIMPAC cruise where the above Navies plus the Japanese, South Koreans, and Chilean Navies all "invaded" (had a port call all at once) Hawaii. We routinely train the armies of South and Central American countries. The JFK Special Warfare Center in Ft Bragg has British and Allied instructors. Just because it's a FEMA/DHS excersise with other countries involved doesn't make it the end of the world. Now if they were actaully given arrest powers or any authority over US combatants, then we might be screwed
BTW, I'm just another "Right Wing Extremist Terrorist" I guess too (there goes the clearance).
Prior Service, Gun toting, Republican. Yup I'm hosed
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Hate to burst y'alls bubble but there have been foriegn troops operating in the US for excersises like this and smaller/larger for a LONG time. Spent part of the summer last year with the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Kiwis in California. Headed back out for the same this year. I've done more than one RIMPAC cruise where the above Navies plus the Japanese, South Koreans, and Chilean Navies all "invaded" (had a port call all at once) Hawaii. We routinely train the armies of South and Central American countries. The JFK Special Warfare Center in Ft Bragg has British and Allied instructors. Just because it's a FEMA/DHS excersise with other countries involved doesn't make it the end of the world. Now if they were actaully given arrest powers or any authority over US combatants, then we might be screwed
BTW, I'm just another "Right Wing Extremist Terrorist" I guess too (there goes the clearance).
Prior Service, Gun toting, Republican. Yup I'm hosed
Those were in Training areas though, it does not sound like this will be confined that way.
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Hate to burst y'alls bubble but there have been foriegn troops operating in the US for excersises like this and smaller/larger for a LONG time. Spent part of the summer last year with the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Kiwis in California. Headed back out for the same this year. I've done more than one RIMPAC cruise where the above Navies plus the Japanese, South Koreans, and Chilean Navies all "invaded" (had a port call all at once) Hawaii. We routinely train the armies of South and Central American countries. The JFK Special Warfare Center in Ft Bragg has British and Allied instructors. Just because it's a FEMA/DHS excersise with other countries involved doesn't make it the end of the world. Now if they were actaully given arrest powers or any authority over US combatants, then we might be screwed
BTW, I'm just another "Right Wing Extremist Terrorist" I guess too (there goes the clearance).
Prior Service, Gun toting, Republican. Yup I'm hosed
I understand the training of or with foreign troops, but have you ever been aware of them training for a role of assisting us in the event of international terrorism? If we need our borders protected, I'd feel better with our troops.
The article states that the training will focus "exclusively on terrorism prevention and protection." The article went on to say: The scenario "will begin in the aftermath of a national terrorist event outside of the United States, and exercise play will center on preventing subsequent efforts by the terrorists to enter the United States and carry out additional attacks." The countries involved are; Australia, Canada, the U.K. and Mexico. This would certainly seem to imply that at least the Mexican troops and the Canidian troops are "training" to assist with the protection of our borders. As Canada and Australia are both part of the U.K. it is concievable that all 3 of those countries are training to protect our massive Northern border. This sounds like training for an active role, as opposed to training for training purposes. Even training for joint exercises does not include training foreign troops for mission specific roles on U.S. soil. Jnevis you are professionally versed in such matters. I am a humble civilian that would appreciate your additional thoughts.
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The fact that it is a FEMA exercise certainly makes it SOUND like the stuff Black helicopter conspiracies are made of, Socialist politicians , blue helmets and everything crappy.
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The fact that it is a FEMA exercise certainly makes it SOUND like the stuff Black helicopter conspiracies are made of, Socialist politicians , blue helmets and everything crappy.
If I ever see anyone in uniform wearing a blue helmet on US soil, I would take the blue helmeted a%$holes to be an invading army and respond properly.
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Lets also remember post 9-11 we had NATO pilots flying CAPS right here in the USA with white ones on the rails. It was a symbolic show of solidarity, but t sure wasn't the end of days either.
FQ13
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Lets also remember post 9-11 we had NATO pilots flying CAPS right here in the USA with white ones on the rails. It was a symbolic show of solidarity, but t sure wasn't the end of days either.
FQ13
No, just a step in that direction.
Ask yourself one question - post 9/11, why did we need foreign pilots flying CAP? Did we run out of ours? Or was it a gummint thought that - like in Patriots - American servicemen might not fire on American civilians?
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No, just a step in that direction.
Ask yourself one question - post 9/11, why did we need foreign pilots flying CAP? Did we run out of ours? Or was it a gummint thought that - like in Patriots - American servicemen might not fire on American civilians?
It was that NATO (at our request) invoked Article Five for the first time. It was to send a message to Al Queda that they hadn't just attacked the US, but the West, They also wanted to send a message to Russia that NATO was very much alive and well post Cold War. Take off the tin foil, it was a good thing.
FQ13
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It was that NATO (at our request) invoked Article Five for the first time. It was to send a message to Al Queda that they hadn't just attacked the US, but the West, They also wanted to send a message to Russia that NATO was very much alive and well post Cold War. Take off the tin foil, it was a good thing.
FQ13
It is NEVER a good thing if foreign Air Forces are flying combat missions over your country.
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It was that NATO (at our request) invoked Article Five for the first time. It was to send a message to Al Queda that they hadn't just attacked the US, but the West, They also wanted to send a message to Russia that NATO was very much alive and well post Cold War. Take off the tin foil, it was a good thing.
FQ13
Have another pull off the kool-aid, there, FQ!
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It is NEVER a good thing if foreign Air Forces are flying combat missions over your country.
And how many have we flown over Western Europe? Look, NATO is a mutual defense organization. An attack on one is an attack on all. Americans, Brits, Germans are all interchangeable here. Attack one of us and we're all going to be all over your ass. Why is it a bad thing that Germany demonstrated that they are willing to do for us what we have been doing for them for the last 60 years?
FQ13
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And how many have we flown over Western Europe? Look, NATO is a mutual defense organization. An attack on one is an attack on all. Americans, Brits, Germans are all interchangeable here. Attack one of us and we're all going to be all over your ass. Why is it a bad thing that Germany demonstrated that they are willing to do for us what we have been doing for them for the last 60 years?
FQ13
Just proves my point. The REASON we flew all those missions was because they were under threat of potential Soviet invasion. Please explain to me how being threatened with invasion is a good thing .