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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on July 19, 2009, 07:18:54 AM
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Olympia Snowe was a given on the Soto confirmation vote.
Here's some more "GOP" (used sparingly) that will "support" Soto...
2010 better "send a message"
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/sotomayor_gop_votes/2009/07/18/237249.html
Sotomayor Wins Over GOP's Lugar, Snowe, Martinez
Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:38 AM
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Three Republican senators said Friday they will back President Barack Obama's choice of Sonia Sotomayor to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court, setting the stage for a likely easy confirmation.
"Given her judicial record, and her testimony this week, it is my determination that Judge Sotomayor is well-qualified to serve as associate justice of the United States Supreme Court," Cuban-born Senator Mel Martinez of Florida said on his website.
If confirmed by the Senate, which is dominated by Obama's Democrats, Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic justice on the top court.
Sotomayor testified this week before the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she appeared to solidify her support among Democrats, who control the panel. Conservative Republicans on the committee spent four days questioning her on race issues, but analysts think she effectively answered skeptics.
Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana said Sotomayor was "clearly qualified" to serve on the Supreme Court, where she will replace the liberal-leaning Justice David Souter, who is retiring.
She would join three other liberals and five conservatives on the nine-member court under Chief Justice John Roberts.
Also announcing support for Sotomayor was Republican Senator Olympia Snowe, who said in a statement that Sotomayor "appears neither rigid nor dogmatic in her approach to the essential task of constitutional interpretation."
Democrats control 60 of the 100 Senate seats. A vote on confirming Sotomayor is expected in coming weeks.
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Mel Martinez, do you think maybe, his heritage .... Naaa . ::)
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Mel Martinez, do you think maybe, his heritage .... Naaa . ::)
Actually his office pretty much said that when I called opposing Sotomayor. I knew it was a waste of time as he'd indicated support when she was first nominated. Among the reasons given were first latina justice. Viva La Raza. :P
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I'm surprised Snowe was the ONLY one from Me. Her fellow Me. RINO, Collins is just as bad.
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I'm surprised Snowe was the ONLY one from Me. Her fellow Me. RINO, Collins is just as bad.
Maybe their just keeping their mouth shut until the final vote...
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Susan Collins isn't that smart. It's just that no one noticed her waving and saying "Me too, Me too. " when Snowe made her announcement.
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Between Dummycrats and Rhinos, where does that leave conservatives?
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Between Dummycrats and Rhinos, where does that leave conservatives?
The term "disenfranchised" comes to mind.
Also ignored
unheard
screwed
thrown under the bus
etc
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Between Dummycrats and Rhinos, where does that leave conservatives?
F*CKED
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I already threatened Martinez (I mean promised) with defeat in the next election if he votes for heritage rather than qualifications. (Of course he has already said he is not running so I win!! ;D)
It's too bad that this is the way things run in this country. Forget what the constituents want, just do whatever 'feels right'. We need more Hispanics in government anyway. (I would prefer a qualified candidate rather than just a prejudicial name of ethnic origin - for any elected office!!!!!!!!!!!)
I hope these people reap what they sow & enjoy it; may their future generations damn them with us.
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If Hussein keeps it up we'll be killing these scum in the streets inside 4 years.
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I think that Mel has announced that he isn't running for re-election. Good riddance. If we could only get someone GOOD in there............ ::)
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I think that Mel has announced that he isn't running for re-election. Good riddance. If we could only get someone GOOD in there............ ::)
You don't think "Chain Gang Charley" is the guy? ;D ROFL
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Remember these posts ?
I'm surprised Snowe was the ONLY one from Me. Her fellow Me. RINO, Collins is just as bad.
Maybe their just keeping their mouth shut until the final vote...
Susan Collins isn't that smart. It's just that no one noticed her waving and saying "Me too, Me too. " when Snowe made her announcement.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_go_co/us_sotomayor_senate
WASHINGTON – An aide to Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins says Collins will vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor.
Spokesman Ian Swanberg says Collins is preparing a statement detailing her support for President Barack Obama's first high court nominee. Sotomayor is in line to become the first Hispanic and third woman justice.
Collins becomes the fourth Republican to say publicly she'll break with her party's conservative leaders to support Sotomayor. The federal appeals court judge is expected to win confirmation easily in a Senate vote early next month.
The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a vote on Sotomayor's nomination for later Tuesday, but panel Republicans are expected to block the action and force a one-week delay.
What a tool
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Remember these posts ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_go_co/us_sotomayor_senate
WASHINGTON – An aide to Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins says Collins will vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor.
Spokesman Ian Swanberg says Collins is preparing a statement detailing her support for President Barack Obama's first high court nominee. Sotomayor is in line to become the first Hispanic and third woman justice.
Collins becomes the fourth Republican to say publicly she'll break with her party's conservative leaders to support Sotomayor. The federal appeals court judge is expected to win confirmation easily in a Senate vote early next month.
The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a vote on Sotomayor's nomination for later Tuesday, but panel Republicans are expected to block the action and force a one-week delay.
What a tool
How about this tool?
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How about this tool?
That's a good tool, Snowe and Collins are BAD tools. ;D
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That's a good tool, Snowe and Collins are BAD tools. ;D
I was suggesting a solution to your problem(s)
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I was suggesting a solution to your problem(s)
Fortunately I live in NH not Me. ( used to ) Here we could solve the problem with a T/C Arms Encore. (One DEM that offsets our good Sen.) unfortunately the Dem, a former Gov., is in MY district. The GOOD Senator, who personally answers my letters and E Mails is in the OTHER District.
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I already threatened Martinez (I mean promised) with defeat in the next election if he votes for heritage rather than qualifications. (Of course he has already said he is not running so I win!! ;D)
It's too bad that this is the way things run in this country. Forget what the constituents want, just do whatever 'feels right'[/font]. We need more Hispanics in government anyway. (I would prefer a qualified candidate rather than just a prejudicial name of ethnic origin - for any elected office!!!!!!!!!!!)
I hope these people reap what they sow & enjoy it; may their future generations damn them with us.
This one isn't about what we want. This one is about voting to allow the exercising of our Constitutional Rights or doing the feel good thing. That warm fuzzy you should be feeling right now is actually bodily fluids and other items running down my legs :-[ They've used so much of that KY with broken glass in it on me that nothing seals anymore >:(
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"It's too bad that this is the way things run in this country. Forget what the constituents want, just do whatever 'feels right'. We need more Hispanics in government anyway. (I would prefer a qualified candidate rather than just a prejudicial name of ethnic origin - for any elected office!!!!!!!!!!!)" from Pops 1911. This Mexican-American agrees with Pops.
I would love to see a Hispanic on the Court but she is the wrong person. Just like the President keeps flip-flopping, I think she will do opposite of how she said she would judge during the hearings. I watched most of the hearings until I got sick of hearing the Democrats.
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I would love to see an American who is not hyphenated on the court. I'm at least two breeds of American Indian, Irish, English, French and who knows what else. The people who have a strong hyphenated allegiance to a particular race are choosing their race over being an American.
Pretty simple...the best person should be on the court...if we are in fact the United States of America there is no place for trying advance hyphenated anything other than patriotic-American.
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I would love to see an American who is not hyphenated on the court. I'm at least two breeds of American Indian, Irish, English, French and who knows what else. The people who have a strong hyphenated allegiance to a particular race are choosing their race over being an American.
Pretty simple...the best person should be on the court...if we are in fact the United States of America there is no place for trying advance hyphenated anything other than patriotic-American.
I define my patriotism for my country by my service and not by what I call myself. I will not define/judge someone else by whatever they wish to be identified with. I will gladly compare my patriotism with you any day.
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I don't want to get into an argument here. as I think both of you are good guys. Would you both be willing to accept what Teddy Roosevelt said ?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/troosevelt.asp
Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
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I would love to see an American who is not hyphenated on the court. I'm at least two breeds of American Indian, Irish, English, French and who knows what else. The people who have a strong hyphenated allegiance to a particular race are choosing their race over being an American.
Pretty simple...the best person should be on the court...if we are in fact the United States of America there is no place for trying advance hyphenated anything other than patriotic-American.
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Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
Teddy also carried a BIG stick..... ;) Loved his Winchesters...
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Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
Teddy also carried a BIG stick..... ;) Loved his Winchesters...
I guess, He bought his Model 1895's by the CASE ;D
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I agree with what Roosevelt said. But, just because a person says he is Mexican-American, Japanese-American, German-American, Irish-American does not mean that they have divided loyalties. I choose Mexican-American because I am proud of my heritage, period. That stupidity of being paranoid because a person uses heritage in front of American is what caused concentration camps in the US during WWII. It also caused the arresting of American citizens and sending them to other countries because of not being white. That happened to Americans of Mexican heritage during WWII. There was resentment of German-Americans but do not know of them being sent to Germany or sent to concentration camps.
I'll say it again. I am an American of Mexican heritage. If I choose to call myself "American" or "Mexican-American" is my choice and my right. So get a life and call yourself whatever you wish and don't worry or get upset by how I or other choose to identify ourselves.
I was born in New Mexico, makes me an American, third-generation citizen.
United States Marine Corps, four years with Honorable Discharge. Infantry and Supply.
United States Marine Corps Reserve, six years, Honorable Discharge. Infantry, Recruiter (active duty) and Recon.
Federal Officer, 6 years, undercover, which is why I do not name the agency.
National Defense, US Govt, 18 years.
Retired from Govt service.
If that does not define my Americanism, then KMA.
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"<snip>. We need more Hispanics in government anyway. <snip>
I would love to see a Hispanic on the Court but she is the wrong person. <snip>
I don't doubt your intentions or willingness to sacrifice, but there is a difference between someone telling what their heritage is and advocation. We don't need more of any particular race in government and I don't care what the race is of whoever is on the Court. I want a conservative 2nd Ammendment supporter and if their daddy is from Mars and their momma is from Venus that's fine with me; I just want an American on the court, not someone who makes it a point to say they are proud they are a Martian-Venusivian.....it may be where their gene pool came from, but they are here now and advocating a person from one's heritage over another just because of heritage is racist bias.
If you don't see how having pride in being separate in race and advocating the same in front of others is interpreted by being in front of just being an American, maybe someone else here can explain it to you. It seems to be a fairly straightforward concept to me.
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I don't doubt your intentions or willingness to sacrifice, but there is a difference between someone telling what their heritage is and advocation. We don't need more of any particular race in government and I don't care what the race is of whoever is on the Court. I want a conservative 2nd Ammendment supporter and if their daddy is from Mars and their momma is from Venus that's fine with me; I just want an American on the court, not someone who makes it a point to say they are proud they are a Martian-Venusivian.....it may be where their gene pool came from, but they are here now and advocating a person from one's heritage over another just because of heritage is racist bias.
If you don't see how having pride in being separate in race and advocating the same in front of others is interpreted by being in front of just being an American, maybe someone else here can explain it to you. It seems to be a fairly straightforward concept to me.
The same goes for you. It is simple and straightforward. You call yourself whatever you want and I'll respect it. Request the same from you. If you can't, too bad.
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Did you guy's consider that if you were to forget about what your ancestors were you would not being having this dispute ?
DM, You Know that no one here has more respect for your service than I do, but the hyphen thing is the same sort of thinking that has the former Yugoslavians killing each other over stuff that happened 600 years ago.
Same thing with Northern Ireland, "Are you a Protestant Ulster man or a Catholic Ulster man ?" What's wrong with being an IRISH Ulster man?
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Tom, yes I have. The definition of people by racial or national origin has led to the prejudice against and death of a lot of people. Here in the Southwest and in the West, the label of "Mexican" has been used for years to hold back and kill a lot of persons. Growing up, I was not considered "American" but "Mexican","beaner", "taco vender" and other terms. I was supposed to live in a certain part of town and could not be in the "good" part of town unless I worked on peoples yards or at school. After that I had to go back to my part of town. I like Mexican Mariachi music but while in the Marines, I had verbal fights with people who did not want me to listen to it. I grew up with Mexican music, rocknroll (Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino and that type), when the Beattles came around and especially hard rock, I quit American music. Never have like country and western. After learning about my heritage, I became proud of it and am not ashamed to proclaim it, just like I am proud of calling myself "Marine" and "American".
Again, I say, I will respect anyone and everyone who identifies themselves as to how they prefer, for whatever reason. I demand the same respect. If anyone cannot respect my views, keep them to themselves. I will not criticize someone for their views and will respond if criticized for my views.
Tom, as I have said before, I have a lot of respect for you. Have gotten to know you by what you say and especially because you are a Marine. I understand your comments and respect them.
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Tom, yes I have. The definition of people by racial or national origin has led to the prejudice against and death of a lot of people. Here in the Southwest and in the West, the label of "Mexican" has been used for years to hold back and kill a lot of persons. Growing up, I was not considered "American" but "Mexican","beaner", "taco vender" and other terms. I was supposed to live in a certain part of town and could not be in the "good" part of town unless I worked on peoples yards or at school. After that I had to go back to my part of town. I like Mexican Mariachi music but while in the Marines, I had verbal fights with people who did not want me to listen to it. I grew up with Mexican music, rocknroll (Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino and that type), when the Beattles came around and especially hard rock, I quit American music. Never have like country and western. After learning about my heritage, I became proud of it and am not ashamed to proclaim it, just like I am proud of calling myself "Marine" and "American".
Again, I say, I will respect anyone and everyone who identifies themselves as to how they prefer, for whatever reason. I demand the same respect. If anyone cannot respect my views, keep them to themselves. I will not criticize someone for their views and will respond if criticized for my views.
Tom, as I have said before, I have a lot of respect for you. Have gotten to know you by what you say and especially because you are a Marine. I understand your comments and respect them.
As long as you've considered it because I bet this is the only thing you 2 don't agree on.