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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: rojawe on July 20, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
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I won't be voting for a Democrap
Democrats to Give 12 Million Illegals Health Care
On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.
Crap and Tax
Obama Health care
Amnesty for illegals with 14 million Americans out of work
Back door gun control
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I say lets instead give them a free ticket home!
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I say lets instead give ALL them a free ticket home!
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I say lets instead give them a free ticket home!
Screw that!! They're getting a free ride now....it's time they PAID to get home!!
You're fired. Get home any way you can figure out, I don't care what you come up with, just GTFO!! One other thing......that salary-for-life retirement plan that you a-holes voted for yourselves........well, that's been rescinded. Have a nice life, asshat.
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Hanging is cheaper, you can reuse the rope.
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Hanging is cheaper, you can reuse the rope.
I always liked your brand of frugality. ;D
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Here in Phoenix we have "The Toughest Sheriff In America". His name is Joe Arpaio. He frequently conducts "Sweeps" looking for, and arresting illegal invaders here in Maricopa County. He has everyone on his a$$ for doing it. Our Mayor Phil Gordon is totally sympathetic to these people and wants Arpaio to stop it. As does our former governor Janet Napolitano.
They whine about his "racial profiling". Tell me, what does an illegal Mexican look like? It's not like they're hard to spot. Both Gordon and Napolitano are hard core democrats. Arpaio is a Republican. That in itself tells you all you need to know. Democrats are going to turn this country into a third world nation if left unchecked. They want these illegal invaders here by the millions so they can make all of them registered democrats, thereby giving them a block of voters that will keep them in power for decades to come. They'll make every white citizen in this country pay the price for it. All of it is total nonsense and needs to be stopped. Bill T.
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Here in Phoenix we have "The Toughest Sheriff In America". His name is Joe Arpaio. He frequently conducts "Sweeps" looking for, and arresting illegal invaders here in Maricopa County. He has everyone on his a$$ for doing it. Our Mayor Phil Gordon is totally sympathetic to these people and wants Arpaio to stop it. As does our former governor Janet Napolitano.
They whine about his "racial profiling". Tell me, what does an illegal Mexican look like? It's not like they're hard to spot. Both Gordon and Napolitano are hard core democrats. Arpaio is a Republican. That in itself tells you all you need to know. Democrats are going to turn this country into a third world nation if left unchecked. They want these illegal invaders here by the millions so they can make all of them registered democrats, thereby giving them a block of voters that will keep them in power for decades to come. They'll make every white citizen in this country pay the price for it. All of it is total nonsense and needs to be stopped. Bill T.
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Hanging is cheaper, you can reuse the rope.
You're half wrong Tom. Don't hang the illegals, they are just poor folks willing to work hard for cheap. Hang the folks that hire them instead. Otherwise it will be just like the war on drugs. As long as there is demand there will be a supply. Its the employers who are selling out their fellow citizens by preferig to pay a substandard wage to an illegal rather than hiring their neighbor. They do it knowingly and they do it out of greed. They are selling out the coutry for short term gain.THESE are the criminals.
FQ13
PS Everytime we buy something made in China we do the same. Yeah, we save money now, but at the cost our manufacturing infra-structure, good paying jobs and the ability of our nation to lead. This a nation couldn't be conquered, but we are willingly selling it for pennies on the dollar.
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Illegals any and all should be sent back to wherever their from.. PERIOD!!! This alone would solve more than just the abuse of our health care system.
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You're half wrong Tom. Don't hang the illegals, they are just poor folks willing to work hard for cheap. Hang the folks that hire them instead. Otherwise it will be just like the war on drugs. As long as there is demand there will be a supply. Its the employers who are selling out their fellow citizens by preferig to pay a substandard wage to an illegal rather than hiring their neighbor. They do it knowingly and they do it out of greed. They are selling out the coutry for short term gain.THESE are the criminals.
FQ13
PS Everytime we buy something made in China we do the same. Yeah, we save money now, but at the cost our manufacturing infra-structure, good paying jobs and the ability of our nation to lead. This a nation couldn't be conquered, but we are willingly selling it for pennies on the dollar.
I wasn't talking about the illegals. I was talking about the people violating the Constitution and their oath of office by letting the illegals get away with it.
USC Art 1 Sec. 8
Clause 4:
To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
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You're half wrong Tom. Don't hang the illegals, they are just poor folks willing to work hard for cheap. Hang the folks that hire them instead. Otherwise it will be just like the war on drugs. As long as there is demand there will be a supply. Its the employers who are selling out their fellow citizens by preferig to pay a substandard wage to an illegal rather than hiring their neighbor. They do it knowingly and they do it out of greed. They are selling out the coutry for short term gain.THESE are the criminals.
FQ13
PS Everytime we buy something made in China we do the same. Yeah, we save money now, but at the cost our manufacturing infra-structure, good paying jobs and the ability of our nation to lead. This a nation couldn't be conquered, but we are willingly selling it for pennies on the dollar.
Me thinks if one of them that is here illegally were stealing YOUR identity to facilitate that whole "just being here to work for cheap" thing you would quickly change your tune.
Re: your P.S. -- Do you not realize how many of those jobs could be filled IMMEDIATELY by out of work AMERICANS.... not to mention all the able to work but unwilling to work lazy ass people on welfare?!?!?
(http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/fighting0023.gif) fightingquaker13
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Me thinks if one of them that is here illegally were stealing YOUR identity to facilitate that whole "just being here to work for cheap" thing you would quickly change your tune.
Re: your P.S. -- Do you not realize how many of those jobs could be filled IMMEDIATELY by out of work AMERICANS.... not to mention all the able to work but unwilling to work lazy ass people on welfare?!?!?
Uh.....I kind of thought that that was my point Eric. Buying Chinese takes jobs from Americans. Hiring illegalls takes jobs from Americans. Hiring illegals creates crimes like identity theft, tax cheating and denying basic benefits like workers comp to Americans as they have to compete with ilegals. Where exactly do we disagree and whats with the riddling me with bullwts thing?
FQ13
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Uh.....I kind of thought that that was my point Eric. Buying Chinese takes jobs from Americans. Hiring illegalls takes jobs from Americans. Hiring illegals creates crimes like identity theft, tax cheating and denying basic benefits like workers comp to Americans as they have to compete with ilegals. Where exactly do we disagree and whats with the riddling me with bullwts thing?
FQ13
If you realize all that about illegals then why do you object to killing them ? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights for citizens.
LANGUAGE WARNING ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfaE1sWGdnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKoEEe7C3dk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHHJZWas4xY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sof4-7jGsUI
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If you realize all that about illegals then why do you object to killing them ? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights for citizens.
LANGUAGE WARNING ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfaE1sWGdnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKoEEe7C3dk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sof4-7jGsUI
Actually, those are human rights given by God. If they were citizenship rights, they could legitimately be taken away by the state. Those rights existed long before the USA was even an idea, and they will exist long after we are nothing more than a footnote in a history book.
FQ13
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Actually, those are human rights given by God. If they were citizenship rights, they could legitimately be taken away by the state. Those rights existed long before the USA was even an idea, and they will exist long after we are nothing more than a footnote in a history book.
FQ13
True but America is the only country that recognizes that, (or at least we used to) So if you don't belong here F#CK YOU
You quoted to 2quick you missed a couple ;D
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Salma Hayek can stay....everyone else gotta go home!
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Salma Hayek can stay....everyone else gotta go home!
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Is that not East Boston ;D
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Here's the deal:
If we don't allow them to work,
If we don't give them "public assistance"
If we don't give them free health care - courtesy of the Emergency Room,
If we don't let the children go to school,
If we don't allow them to buy/rent real estate,
If we don't give them drivers' licenses,
THEY WILL GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's the deal:
If we don't allow them to work,
If we don't give them "public assistance"
If we don't give them free health care - courtesy of the Emergency Room,
If we don't let the children go to school,
If we don't allow them to buy/rent real estate,
If we don't give them drivers' licenses,
THEY WILL GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially if we shoot a few thousand of them to as the french say "Encourage the others" ;D
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Here's the deal:
If we don't allow them to work,
If we don't give them "public assistance"
If we don't give them free health care - courtesy of the Emergency Room,
If we don't let the children go to school,
If we don't allow them to buy/rent real estate,
If we don't give them drivers' licenses,
THEY WILL GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot putting the ones who hire them in jail, or levying such a heavy fine that it outweighs the benefits by far, but otherwise a good list. Except for the school part, because I dont believe in punishing children for the sins of their parents, and we aren't going to kick them out I don't want them ignorant and illeterate.. Think either party will strap on thier balls and do it?
FQ13
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You're half wrong Tom. Don't hang the illegals, they are just poor folks willing to work hard for cheap. Hang the folks that hire them instead. Otherwise it will be just like the war on drugs. As long as there is demand there will be a supply. Its the employers who are selling out their fellow citizens by preferig to pay a substandard wage to an illegal rather than hiring their neighbor. They do it knowingly and they do it out of greed. They are selling out the coutry for short term gain.THESE are the criminals.
FQ13
PS Everytime we buy something made in China we do the same. Yeah, we save money now, but at the cost our manufacturing infra-structure, good paying jobs and the ability of our nation to lead. This a nation couldn't be conquered, but we are willingly selling it for pennies on the dollar.
I sympathize with the illegals. I know that I'm lucky to have been born here and if I lived in Mexico or any of the other corrupt, broke-ass countries in central and South America, I'd be coming here. Especially as a father. That being said it doesn't make it OK for them to break the law and be here illegally. I think the solution to the problem of illegal aliens is to make it so that employers who do get caught using illegals for labor should have to pay ALL of the medical and welfare for the illegals. I don't think that the small percentage of employers that get caught could float the bill for ALL of the aliens. If that doesn't work, shut the companies down and throw the owners in jail, or ship them to Mexico. That would have been something if Walmart would have got shut down after they got caught.
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You forgot putting the ones who hire them in jail, or levying such a heavy fine that it outweighs the benefits by far, but otherwise a good list. Except for the school part, because I dont believe in punishing children for the sins of their parents, and we aren't going to kick them out I don't want them ignorant and illeterate.. Think either party will strap on thier balls and do it?
FQ13
American schools are paid for with American tax dollars for the benefit of American Citizens. Most of the little hoodlums drop out and join gangs anyway. If they want education they can go back to Mexico and get one since there's so many that don't even speak English.
I sympathize with the illegals. I know that I'm lucky to have been born here and if I lived in Mexico or any of the other corrupt, broke-ass countries in central and South America, I'd be coming here. Especially as a father. That being said it doesn't make it OK for them to break the law and be here illegally. I think the solution to the problem of illegal aliens is to make it so that employers who do get caught using illegals for labor should have to pay ALL of the medical and welfare for the illegals. I don't think that the small percentage of employers that get caught could float the bill for ALL of the aliens. If that doesn't work, shut the companies down and throw the owners in jail, or ship them to Mexico. That would have been something if Walmart would have got shut down after they got caught.
I've got NO SYMPATHY for the job stealing bastards. Mexico is a bankrupt shithole so millions of them leave there, jump the fence and come here to mooch off OUR success, now Ca. is a bankrupt shithole, do I see a trend starting here ? Come to think of it Spain, where the original "Hispanics" came from was a bankrupt shithole too. One of those things that makes you say HMMM. ::)
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But California is Obama's model for the whole Country. His 4 years had better go quick!
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But California is Obama's model for the whole Country. He His 4 years had better go quick!
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I usually stay out of politics and religion on an internet site not devoted to them but since some may consider me an enabler I thought I would post a true story about my experiences:
I am a general contractor who has worked in this area for 24 years and has experienced the changes that have taken place in the labor pool in the construction industry. I don’t like having undocumented workers on my jobsites. None are on my payroll. Lately, in some of the semi-skilled trades (those that don’t require a license) that is about all that is available as the undocumented labor has forced the honest American workers, and honest legal aliens out of business.
The following is an example of the way it works in my neck of the woods: I contract with a nationally known company to furnish and install vinyl siding. They send out a crew. This crew is owned and managed by a legal alien who has seven crews with a mix of legal and mostly illegals that may or may not be replaced by other workers the next day. The nationally known company sends the owner of the siding company a IRS form 1099. That way they do not have to withhold taxes and Social Security. The legal alien boss sends each of his workers a 1099 so he doesn’t have to deduct taxes or Social Security. I asked one of the workers who could speak English one day about paying taxes. If the Postal Service or his employer hands him one, he throws his 1099 away. He said he didn’t pay taxes and was only mildly worried about getting caught. He could always skip back south and come back with a different name.
The honest guys can’t compete with this type of practice. That is why in recent years there are so few legals available to hire. The illegals, even if they are paid less, take home more money. This practice of abuse of 1099s is not new. It is only in recent years that it is to the level that something needs to be done.
There are other issues dealing with workers comp insurance, obtaining a drivers license, and ways to access our healthcare and social benefits but these are another topic.
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Here in Phoenix we have "The Toughest Sheriff In America". His name is Joe Arpaio. He frequently conducts "Sweeps" looking for, and arresting illegal invaders here in Maricopa County. He has everyone on his a$$ for doing it. Our Mayor Phil Gordon is totally sympathetic to these people and wants Arpaio to stop it. As does our former governor Janet Napolitano.
They whine about his "racial profiling". Tell me, what does an illegal Mexican look like? It's not like they're hard to spot. Both Gordon and Napolitano are hard core democrats. Arpaio is a Republican. That in itself tells you all you need to know. Democrats are going to turn this country into a third world nation if left unchecked. They want these illegal invaders here by the millions so they can make all of them registered democrats, thereby giving them a block of voters that will keep them in power for decades to come. They'll make every white citizen in this country pay the price for it. All of it is total nonsense and needs to be stopped. Bill T.
People get the government that they ELECT. If the sheriff's politics are so popular, why is the mayor and the governor from the opposite spectrum? Remember, this is the state of John McCain, the ultimate enabler. Or maybe you forgot his Amnesty Bill.
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If the sheriff's politics are so popular, why is the mayor and the governor from the opposite spectrum?
As I said, they're liberal democrats. And as far as McCain, do you think the guy in there now is better? Bill T.
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As I said, they're liberal democrats. And as far as McCain, do you think the guy in there now is better? Bill T.
Actually, in this context , yes. McCain ran as a Republican which carries connotations of certain principles, and morals that his record do not bear out. BO on the other hand ran as a Democrat and that carries the connotations of elitist socialist asshole which he is bearing out in spades.
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McCain was not my favorite candidate, nor my favorite Republican for that matter. But if you actually think Hussein is better, I can't help you. Bill T.
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McCain was not my favorite candidate, nor my favorite Republican for that matter. But if you actually think Hussein is better, I can't help you. Bill T.
You are mistaking my words. To those that listened BO was more honest that he was going to "rule" as a socialist POS.
That's not quite the same as "better".
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Here's the deal:
If we don't allow them to work,
If we don't give them "public assistance"
If we don't give them free health care - courtesy of the Emergency Room,
If we don't let the children go to school,
If we don't allow them to buy/rent real estate,
If we don't give them drivers' licenses,
THEY WILL GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obiwan, you are indeed wise. Great post. +1000.
Sheriff Joe rocks. I wish we had many more like him!!!!
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To those that listened BO was more honest that he was going to "rule" as a socialist POS. That's not quite the same as "better".
You're playing with words. So now we're stuck with an "honest" socialist who is well on his way to bankrupting this country. No matter how you slice it McCain would have been BETTER, simply because it would have been impossible for him to have been worse. Bill T.
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You're playing with words. So now we're stuck with an "honest" socialist who is well on his way to bankrupting this country. No matter how you slice it McCain would have been BETTER, simply because it would have been impossible for him to have been worse. Bill T.
You know the really sad thing Bill? I don't think anyone with their head screwed on straight went into the voting booth this past election thinking anything else, no matter which way they voted. It was truly a question of the lesser evil, 60-40 and call them. (I'm not getting into a debate over my vote because its been done to death, but how many proud pro-McCain voters are there?) I cannot remember (with the exception of '04) when we have had such a sorry choice of candidates. Even if the primaries had gone differently we would have been stuck with a choice of the Hildabeast or Rommney. Usually in a time of crises, good people have emerged. Looks like we drew the short straw.
FQ13 who for once in his life would love to have the opportunity to actually vote FOR a president
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The Democrats went with a good choice in Hussein. A pure socialist. The Republicans went with a watered down old man with a history of straying from their conservative base. In spite of this McCain didn't lose by all that much. Had it been Romney, and the economy had not tanked 3 months before the election, he would have won easily.
You will never get the ideal candidate. It will always be "the lesser of 2 evils". Always has been, always will be. It's like picking a steak out of the meat case of your local supermarket. You pick from the best they offer, or drive down the road to another store where nothing changes. Bill T.
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I believe the economy began to tank BECAUSE of the democratic nominee and nothing more. Employers and employment drive our economy and regardless of the banking fiasco, American business decided to curtail any further hiring or capital expenditure until and when they saw where this guy was heading.
Thats the part of the equation the liberals don't seem to wrap their pointy little brains around. The wealthy folks hire the worker bees and if you tax the shit out them, you drive DOWN employment, drive UP costs and the cycle of doom begins. If my company had even 10 percent less tax, they could hire another twenty people even if those twenty had nothing to do all day. Instead, we laid off twenty and expect another dramatic increase in health care costs.....
McCain is not a great man, not even close, but Obama is a putz and history will prove that out...
BTW....Romney was MY Governor and I'd have voted for him hands down, RINO or not! He got railroaded by McCain and Huckabee...simple as that.
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You're playing with words. So now we're stuck with an "honest" socialist who is well on his way to bankrupting this country. No matter how you slice itsi McCain would have been BETTER, mply because it would have been impossible for him to have been worse. Bill T.
I have to disagree with you there, and here is why: McCain probably wouldn't have drove our country off the socialist cliff, well, let's face it, he would have been a lame duck. Which, I agree would have been better than what we have now, BUT: By getting the Obamanation we get a chance for the American people to really see what the libtards want to do to this country. The hope is of course, that the iganoramouses will pull their heads out of their asses and start demanding accountability from our government. That maybe, after this enviceration of our constitution, people might think before they vote. I know I'm asking a lot here, but I don't think that this awareness could have been attained under McCain.
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By getting the Obamanation we get a chance for the American people to really see what the libtards want to do to this country. The hope is of course, that the iganoramouses will pull their heads out of their asses and start demanding accountability from our government.
If someone needs their hands stuck into a fire to know if it's hot, they deserve getting burned. The problem is it won't stop them from getting burned a second time, or a third. These are the same people who believe we faked the Moon landing, and that fire can't melt steel. There is no hope for them, and it is a complete waste of time trying to educate them by example. They are simply far too stupid to learn. I for one, would have much rather had McCain, and let them go on bitching. Much like a radio I can tune them out. I'll have a much more difficult time tuning out a bankrupt nation for the ability to say, "I told you so". Bill T.
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I have to agree with FQ one point, frequently good people "RISE TO THE OCCASION", we seem to be stuck with shit floating to the surface.
If the Republicans want to win they need to run CONSERVITIVES. The only reason to "reach across the aisle" is to bitch slap Barney (the hummer) Frank.
These pin heads can't figure out that everyone who wants to "work with the socialists" already registered Dem.
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If your shit floats, your not getting enough fiber!
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