Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: WatchManUSA on August 01, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
Title: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: WatchManUSA on August 01, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
If someone beat me to this story I’m sorry…
Glenn Beck on his July 31 TV program had a segment about the Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS) Web site, "Cash for Clunkers." He demonstrated what a Web browser would encounter when logging on to the system.
THIS IS A MUST SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfuZ7hiap0
"A warning box comes up, and it says, ‘This application provides to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States government,'" Beck read. "‘Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.'"
"Good God almighty!" Beck said.
Oh my God, can you believe this?
My first reaction is that Glenn Beck got it wrong. Is this really true?
If true, this kills the Bill of Rights!
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: runstowin on August 02, 2009, 03:24:49 PM
Just another example of there is no free lunch. Take money from the Feds, in exchange for your liberty.
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: Kid Shelleen on August 02, 2009, 04:01:35 PM
This is the administration that spent much of the campaign complaining about the treatment of terrorist prisoners and how we were violating the poor, mistreated, terrorists rights.
Now that they are in office, they are going easy on the non-American terrorists and giving them rights, while simultaneously taking away as many rights of U.S. citizens as possible.
And how 'bout the wonderful "Cash for Clunkers" program? It was supposed to last through October and it went broke in the first week. Boy oh boy, wasn't that great planning, anticipation and execution.
This was nothing more than another (poorly hidden) bailout of the American auto industry, where we, the American people, are the majority share holders of two companies.
"Cash for Clunkers," broke in a week and brought to you by the same people who want us to believe that they can properly manage the U.S. healthcare system and take over another 20% of the U.S. economy. >:(
Title: NOT: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: alfsauve on August 02, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
HOAX
Okay, being a skeptic, I first went to the Glen Beck web site and couldn't find any reference to this. Hmmmm. Did the gubernment get to GB? So, hey, I've got a spare computer, went to www.cars.gov and explored every screen. No such agreement. Did some more probing. The website is for dealer transactions at ESC.Gov, not CARS.Gov. I don't even thing there's a link between cars.gov and esc.gov.
The agreement is not exactly what Glen read. Yes, it says your computer is considered a Federal computer system, BUT ONLY when logged on to the CARS system. Just that all information and files related to the transaction are subject to monitoring and auditing. Also it states that, in regards to CARS, there is no expectation of privacy. I don't think there's a big conspiricy here. I think they're just trying to minimize fraud by threatening any dealer with every possible statue under the Federal sun.
This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.
Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion CARS or the DoT personnel.
Unauthorized or improper use of this system may result in administrative disciplinary action and civil and criminal penalties.
Unauthorized attempts to defeat or circumvent security features, to use the system for other than intended purposes, to deny service to authorized users, to access, obtain, alter, damage, or destroy information, or otherwise to interfere with the system or its operation are prohibited. Evidence of such acts may be disclosed to law enforcement authorities and result in criminal prosecution under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 (Public Law 99-474) and the National Information Infrastructure Protection Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-294), (18 U.S.C. 1030), or other applicable criminal laws.
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: callithump on August 03, 2009, 01:46:05 AM
It's not how I want my money spent.
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: alfsauve on August 03, 2009, 05:46:35 AM
Okay, being a skeptic, I first went to the Glen Beck web site and couldn't find any reference to this. Hmmmm. Did the gubernment get to GB? So, hey, I've got a spare computer, went to www.cars.gov and explored every screen. No such agreement. Did some more probing. The website is for dealer transactions at ESC.Gov, not CARS.Gov. I don't even thing there's a link between cars.gov and esc.gov.
The agreement is not exactly what Glen read. Yes, it says your computer is considered a Federal computer system, BUT ONLY when logged on to the CARS system. Just that all information and files related to the transaction are subject to monitoring and auditing. Also it states that, in regards to CARS, there is no expectation of privacy. I don't think there's a big conspiricy here. I think they're just trying to minimize fraud by threatening any dealer with every possible statue under the Federal sun.
Beck didn't back down on this issue on his radio show this morning. He said there would be more tonight on TV. I couldn't listen to his complete show this morning but I did listen to the first half-hour or so. Perhaps he may have back off later in the program but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: Kid Shelleen on August 03, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
I'm anxious to hear Becks latest tonight. This is scary stuff. It leagally throws out many of our Constitutional rights.
WRONG in every sense. I am glad that I'm not a car dealer, but it makes me leary about other government intrusions, that we might not be aware of. I put nothing past this elitist administration and their Czar minions. >:(
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: WatchManUSA on August 03, 2009, 03:21:05 PM
I'm never flying past those Terms and Conditions screens again on government sites. I wonder what is included when the Terms and Conditions screens when you apply for unemployment benefits.
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 03, 2009, 06:34:42 PM
Nothing like that.
Title: Re: Glenn Beck Exposes 'Cash for Clunkers' Language
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 04, 2009, 10:32:56 PM
A reader passed along the "all your computers belong to us" story that first broke on the Glenn Beck show; here's [1]PolitiFact's summary, with the government response:
[On his show, Beck quoted the following statement from cars.gov]: "This application provides access to the DOT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DOT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign." ...
The Department of Transportation confirmed the language was on the cars.gov Web site, but on Aug. 3 it was removed. The DOT released this statement to PolitiFact: "A security warning on the CARS.gov dealer support page that stated computers logged into the system were considered property of the Federal Government has been removed. We are working to revise the language. The language was posted on the portion of the website accessible by car dealers and not the general public."
"It would be factually inaccurate to say that any computer that went to cars.gov would become the property of the U.S. government," said Sasha Johnson, a DOT spokeswoman said....
What a screw-up. I have no reason at this point to think that this was part of some malevolent government conspiracy, or even of a well-intentioned but ill-thought-through design. It might well have been an error by one low-level Web designer, which wasn't reviewed by any higher-up. Still, what a mistake to make, especially when people are understandably concerned that the federal government in general likes to poke around on your computer systems. (I approve of some degree of such poking around, in some cases, but the existence of federal computer surveillance and the growth of such surveillance makes erroneous claims of such surveillance especially plausible and frightening to people.)
PolitiFact goes on to point out that the Glenn Beck item was mistaken in suggesting that the warning purported to apply to consumers -- it only applies to dealers that access that part of the site. I think in the course of this, PolitiFact underestimates the propriety of the criticism (referring to "the small amount of truth in their comments [on the Beck program]") and exaggerates the error. But that's tangential to the point I'm making here, which is about the Department of Transportation error and not about the Beck program's errors.
What a screw-up. I have no reason at this point to think that this was part of some malevolent government conspiracy, or even of a well-intentioned but ill-thought-through design. It might well have been an error by one low-level Web designer, which wasn't reviewed by any higher-up. Still, what a mistake to make, especially when people are understandably concerned that the federal government in general likes to poke on your computer systems. (I approve of some degree of such poking around, in some cases, but the existence of federal computer surveillance and the growth of such surveillance makes erroneous claims of such surveillance especially plausible and frightening to people.)
Sorry, but with people like rhambo in charge, I am not willing to give the gummint the benefit of the doubt on this or anything else. In this, they tried, got smacked down, and backed off. Just a harbinger of things to come.
And since when is poking "around on your computer systems" by the gummint acceptable in any way, shape or form without a warrant?