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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on August 07, 2009, 05:38:20 AM
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BHO's inner thug David Axelrod, what a guy..
Keep up the pressure!!!!! Make this BHO's Waterloo....
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25891.html
* White House to Democrats: 'Punch back twice as hard'
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White House to Democrats: 'Punch back twice as hard'
By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 8/6/09 5:11 PM EDT
* Fervor evident at N.Y. health town hall
* Fist fights at a town hall?
* Dem Rep. overrun by protesters at town hall
POLITICO 44
Top White House aides gave Senate Democrats a recess battle plan on Thursday, arming the lawmakers with tips for avoiding disastrous town hall meetings while showing them polling on popular aspects of the reform effort.
Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told senators to focus on the insured and how they would benefit from “consumer protections" in the overhaul, such as ending the practice of denying insurance based on preexisting conditions and ensuring the continuity of coverage between jobs.
They showed video clips of the confrontational town halls that have dominated the media coverage, and told senators to do more prep work than usual for their public meetings by making sure their own supporters turn out, senators and aides said.
And they screened TV ads and reviewed the various campaigns by critics of the Democratic plan.
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting.
The hourlong session was the last opportunity for Democratic leaders and the White House to prepare senators for what will be a crucial month in shaping public opinion on health care. With no final legislation to promote, senators have expressed concern about dealing with questions and criticisms about the almost $1 trillion overhaul. The spate of confrontational town hall meetings have raised the stakes.
“They are just helping us understand the fringe that is trying to mess up our meetings,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).
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Town Hall meeting in Tampa area got violent....
WHERE"S HAZ?????
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/06/violence_erupts_at_rep_castors_town_hall_in_tampa.html
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After watching that video I can certainly understand the frustration of those disenfranchised citizens. In fact, I share their frustration. These people are supposed to work for us, but they continue to treat us as if we were something the scraped off the bottom of their Gucci loafers. Things have to change.
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“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting.
Here's a novel concept. If your meeting "gets hit" by protestors, you know your constituents, try listening. :o
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From Lucianne.com this morning . . . .
(http://www.lucianne.com/images/lucianne/DailyPhoto/2009-08-07-RTMUZ.jpg)
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HITLER RANTS ABOUT OBAMA HEALTHCARE AND RIGHT WINGERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvtWEG_vhQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fboortz.com%2Fnealz_nuze%2Findex.html&feature=player_embedded
;D
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(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/rahmemanuel120707.jpg)
just add little box mustache,.....
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(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/rahmemanuel120707.jpg)
just add little box mustache,.....
That picture makes him look like such a dipsh!t. Like the dumb guy in a comedy duo, except it ain't funny.
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That picture makes him look like such a dipsh!t. Like the dumb guy in a comedy duo, except it ain't funny.
In this case, looks ain't deceiving!!
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(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/rahmemanuel120707.jpg)
just add little box mustache,.....
Is something like this what you had in mind? ;D
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp225/tt11758/emanuel.jpg)
Doncha just LOVE Photoshop?!? ;D
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Is something like this what you had in mind? ;D
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp225/tt11758/emanuel.jpg)
Doncha just LOVE Photoshop?!? ;D
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/holliday.jpg)
That Sir, would be a Bullseye.
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http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_08_02-2009_08_08.shtml#1249770644
I am clueless about FOIA and related law, but would be interested in
knowledgeable responses to the following question. Is there a
mechanism by which an individual can find out, or require the
government to disclose, whether he or she has been named (or some web
posting, statement, or other form of speech of the person named) to
the [1]White House email address for submitting "fishy"
"disinformation" on the health care debate?
White House Press Secretary Gibbs [2]denied that the White House is
"collecting names," but it is hard for me to see how, if it is seeking
to counteract what it regards as "disinformation" or "fishy" stuff, it
can do so without keeping track of that which it wants to respond to
and that which it doesn't. In any event, is there a way that a citizen
can force the government to disclose if he or she has been flagged to
the White House?
I have also been trying to figure out what, if anything, the ACLU has
said officially on the subject. I served for several years on the Free
Speech Policy Committee of the ACLU way back when, and I can't imagine
that back then it would not have taken a strong position on such a
move by any White House, regardless of party. On the other hand, as
[3]Wendy Kaminer has shown, it's not that ACLU anymore, so I'm not so
sure.
I've been on the ACLU official website and don't seem to find
anything, but maybe I'm just not navigating it expertly. One reason I
think there must be something there that I'm not finding is that
[4]FoxNews reports that in response to an inquiry, the ACLU responded:
The ACLU said in a statement to FOXNews.com that the White House
blog is a "bad idea that could send a troublesome message."
But the organization added, "While it is unclear at this point what
the government is doing with the information it is collecting,
critics of the administration's health care proposal should not
fear that their names will end up in some government database that
could be used to chill their right to free speech."
I imagine that if the ACLU issued a statement like that, it should
appear somewhere on its website, so if someone could point me to it,
or anything else the ACLU has said on the matter, I'd appreciate it.
If it is an accurate statement of the ACLU's position, I do not
exactly understand the following. How does it get (quite apart from
how this position is consistent with the ACLU's traditional
protectiveness of speech against the government) from "unclear at this
point what the government is doing with the information" to the
reassuring (on what basis, one wonders) conclusion that "critics ...
should not fear that their names will end up in some government
database" and that, moreover, they should not fear that they could end
up in some database that "could be used to chill their right to free
speech."
How could the ACLU possibly know this? How could it possibly know this
given its own statement that it is "unclear" what the government is
doing with the information. Did the ACLU obtain some court order
ensuring this that I don't know about? Did it have a conversation with
the Obama administration, to which it grants credence it has not
traditionally granted any government administration? And in any case,
how does it get from "unclear" to "should not fear"? It is a statement
far enough from traditional ACLU views that I wonder whether it is
actually accurate, and I would welcome anyone pointing me in the right
direction at the official ACLU website to clear up its official
position.
I realize this is a pretty incendiary topic, on which I certainly have
opinions, but in this case I'm really looking for knowledgeable views
on the freedom of information questions, as well as the official ACLU
view, if any.
References
1. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/
2. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/nobody-is-collecting-names-white-house-responds-to-charge-its-monitoring-speech-of-health-care-refor.html
3. http://www.amazon.com/Worst-Instincts-Cowardice-Conformity-ACLU/dp/080704430X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249778972&sr=8-1
4. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/white-house-collect-fishy-info-health-reform-illegal-critics-say/