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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on August 08, 2009, 06:43:29 PM
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Tom posted this over on the non gun thread:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2842.msg105383;topicseen#new (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2842.msg105383;topicseen#new)
Subject: America 's Top 10 Poverty Cities
City, State and % of People Below the Poverty Level !
1. Detroit , MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo , NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland , OH 27.0%
5. Miami , FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis , MO 26.8%
7. El Paso , TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1%
10. Newark , NJ 24.2%
SOURCE:
U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty
rate all have in common?
Detroit , MI (1st on the poverty rate list) has not elected a Republican
mayor since 1962;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1962;
Cincinnati , OH (3rd)...since 1980;
Cleveland , OH (4th)...since 1980;
Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
St. Louis , MO (6th)....since 1949;
El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
Milwaukee , WI (8th)...since 1908;
Philadelphia , PA (9th)...since 1952;
Newark , NJ (10th)...since 1907.
APPROPRIATE QUOTE:
Albert Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'
UNDENIABLE TRUTH:
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's
initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them
what they could and should do for themselves."
--Abraham Lincoln
.....and Mr. Obama, you are no Abe Lincoln.
CONCLUSION:
It is the poor who habitually elect re-elect Democrats --- yet they
are still POOR !!!
PS:
To date, more than 5.5 million good-paying manufacturing jobs have left
the shores of America forever due to NAFTA and GATT... both promoted
& signed into law by President Bill Clinton (D). Unions were the biggest
loosers, yet they still vote for Democrats! (Repeat Einstein's quote above.)
The answer can be found in this letter to the editor in our local paper:
http://www.windomnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=5&SubSectionID=116&ArticleID=20580&TM=70694.46 (http://www.windomnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=5&SubSectionID=116&ArticleID=20580&TM=70694.46)
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Reader appreciates government programs
At 17, (along with many fellow classmates) I dropped out of high school enlisted (with signatures by Mom and Dad) to serve in the Navy in the U.S., Guam and Okinawa. This was not a war determined by lies and false information by our President (Roosevelt). We were in the thick of World War II. My classmates, friends and I felt the need to serve our country.
So where does that bring me today? Because of my service in the Navy, I take advantage of medical care by the Veteran's Administration, at little cost. Because of working all my years I collect Social Security.
Because I am eligible for Social Security, I am eligible for Medicare. Because of limited income I am eligible to live for reasonable rental payments at River View Apartments. Because of the Interstate Highway Program, passed during Eisenhower's Administration, supported by Democrats in Congress and Senate (with little support from Republicans), I drive on safe, well-maintained and convenient highways.
I am sure there are many reading this, who benefitted from VA home loans, small business loans, farm subsidies, the GI Bill, veteran burials (whether in Windom or military cemeteries), and many other programs that improve our lives.
Which of these groups will give up government-based plans they enjoy: Department of Labor Workmen's Compensation payments; Social Security recipients; medical needs for the military (active and retired); health insurance plans for active and retired government employees; help to senior citizens; Veteran's of Armed Forces benefits; Medicare, etc . . .
My point is not only to give those Democrats who represent us in the Congress and Senate my vote of thanks, but to give support for those who are uninsured with a health care program. That program is now being debated and the 'party of NO' is trying desperately to de-rail it.
- Corky Byam
Windom
I'm not against the VA programs and helping our vets. I am against his broad statements on the multitude of other programs he praises. You will also note that this man is 82 and doesn't need to worry about ever paying for the new socialism.
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A reply for "Corky"
All benefits GRANTED, not given, to veterans were earned with their service as stipulated in enlistment contracts, These are not "entitlements but EARNED benefits.
Social Security is PRIVATELY funded, the only reason tax dollars go into it is to try to make up for LBJ and his Dem congress stealing the trust fund to fund his "Great Society" welfare give away.
When Ike (A Republican) started building the highway system it's purpose was to facilitate the movement of military equipment, not to facilitate Sunday drives by Senior Citizens.
The piss poor service provided by the VA and Medicare are perfect examples of how Government interference in the private sector is always disastrous.
In short, Corky , who lived through the last Depression, must be blind to not see that BO is making the same mistakes again.
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When Ike (A Republican) started building the highway system it's purpose was to facilitate the movement of military equipment, not to facilitate Sunday drives by Senior Citizens.
100% true. and every given increment of the new "Interstate" was to be made straight to facilitate emergency runways for aircraft no less than one mile long...
Also the Democrats, back than, were a chief obstacle to the Civil Rights Act, ask Al Gore Sr. and check his record. Or maybe Robert "KKK" Byrd.
For Corky:
"Americans have been too thoroughly conditioned to serf-mindedness to care two straws about freedom, whereas economic security exactly suits them, and they will cheerfully sacrifice all their other prospects in this world and all their hopes for the next, in their determination to get it."
Albert Jay Nock
"I think it would be a nifty idea to remit all taxes to holders of the Congressional Medal of Honor. This would cost the government practically nothing, and it would show that at least some of us are serious about our salutes on Veteran's Day."
Jeff Cooper
I'll take it further, all Veterans, Honorably Discharged, pay NO MORE TAXES. At the rate BHO is spending, this would hardly be noticed.
from tombogan,
In short, Corky , who lived through the last Depression, must be blind to not see that BO is making the same mistakes again.
blinded by an entitlement mindset, and others like him, Veterans or not, got it all wrong...
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Actually, it was Corky's parents generation who started us on this slide to communism by electing FDR 3 times.
My Great Grand Father used to call him "That damned Roos velt" Kind of surprising to realize I share political views with some one born in 1870.
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The piss poor service provided by the VA and Medicare are perfect examples of how Government interference in the private sector is always disastrous.
In short, Corky , who lived through the last Depression, must be blind to not see that BO is making the same mistakes again.
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BO is making the same mistakes again, just on a much grander scale.
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And the beat goes on.
The fools keep voting Democratic because they believe in and count on the Nanny State. They have no interest in bettering themselves or in being self reliant. The truth hurts!!! >:(
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poeple will also vote on one issue( gun owners are just as guilty of that as anyone else.)just like voting partyline only, that is a big part of whats got us in the mess we are in now.
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poeple will also vote on one issue( gun owners are just as guilty of that as anyone else.)just like voting partyline only, that is a big part of whats got us in the mess we are in now.
Holy Shinola!! Another issue TAB and I have total agreement...
Let me know if you can take pics of Pelosi's new Gulfstream jet "we" paid for.....Those bastard corporate executives can't be the only ones flying around on private planes.....Only Congress gets the "Public" transportation exemption on a $20 Million dollar aircraft....
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The piss poor service provided by the VA and Medicare are perfect examples of how Government interference in the private sector is always disastrous.
In short, Corky , who lived through the last Depression, must be blind to not see that BO is making the same mistakes again.
BO is making the same mistakes again, just on a much grander scale.
Except that in BO's case they are not mistakes. Each of his programs is calculated to either increase Government control, or increase the influence of the socialist agenda.
poeple will also vote on one issue( gun owners are just as guilty of that as anyone else.)just like voting partyline only, that is a big part of whats got us in the mess we are in now.
If a person is going to be a one issue voter then guns is the best litmus test of a candidate. If they don't believe you should be allowed guns then they believe they know better than you and they do not trust you with any other rights.
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poeple will also vote on one issue( gun owners are just as guilty of that as anyone else.)just like voting partyline only, that is a big part of whats got us in the mess we are in now.
Holy Shinola!! Another issue TAB and I have total agreement...
Let me know if you can take pics of Pelosi's new Gulfstream jet "we" paid for.....Those bastard corporate executives can't be the only ones flying around on private planes.....Only Congress gets the "Public" transportation exemption on a $20 Million dollar aircraft....
If you think about it, TW, you will find you do not agree with TAB on this one.
A single issue voter on a rights issue like guns is appropriate. As Tom noted, voting a rights issue based on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is a litmus test for any candidate. If they fail to support any of our rights, then they do not deserve to be in office.
Blindly voting any other single issue, like entitlement or a single party line (remember, I'm from Chicago) is absolutely ridiculous.
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so if obama was 100% pro gun, but had all his other policys... we should vote for him?
thats basicly what your saying.
what i'm saying is, voting on just one issue/ one party, is a very bad thing.
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so if obama was 100% pro gun, but had all his other policys... we should vote for him?
thats basicly what your saying.
what i'm saying is, voting on just one issue/ one party, is a very bad thing.
He could not be even slightly pro gun with his other policies TAB. That is why the gun issue is such an effective way to judge a candidate. You can not allow the people to be responsible for their own safety when you are trying to get them to cede ALL other responsibility (Power) to the Govt. That quote from Mao that I use, "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun" ?
It's actually quite a bit longer,
"Every communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party."
And these from Hitler, ""The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
"History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."
Guns, in the hands of a countries citizenry, are what makes the difference between a free state and a totalitarian one. hence if you are trying to create a socialist Nanny state you can not allow the sheep to have teeth.
On the flip side of that of course if you favor letting citizens take responsibility for their own safety, you will be of a mindset to expect them to accept responsibility for other aspects of their lives, and by extension their society.
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AMEN
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He could not be even slightly pro gun with his other policies TAB. That is why the gun issue is such an effective way to judge a candidate. You can not allow the people to be responsible for their own safety when you are trying to get them to cede ALL other responsibility (Power) to the Govt. That quote from Mao that I use, "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun" ?
It's actually quite a bit longer,
"Every communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party."
And these from Hitler, ""The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
"History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."
Guns, in the hands of a countries citizenry, are what makes the difference between a free state and a totalitarian one. hence if you are trying to create a socialist Nanny state you can not allow the sheep to have teeth.
On the flip side of that of course if you favor letting citizens take responsibility for their own safety, you will be of a mindset to expect them to accept responsibility for other aspects of their lives, and by extension their society.
Perfectly and succinctly stated, Thomas. Thank you.
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Tom its not a perfect world, and you know just as well as I do that is not the case in the real world.
every thing is shades of gray.
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Tom its not a perfect world, and you know just as well as I do that is not the case in the real world.
every thing is shades of gray.
That IS real world TAB, leopards don't change their spots.
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That IS real world TAB, leopards don't change their spots.
happens all the time... they will do anything if it benfits them.
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BO is making the same mistakes again, just on a much grander scale.
"Inflation"
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"Hyper-Inflation"
Fixed it. >:( :'(
Sadly, it is an almost likely eventuality. I'm guessing within 12-18 months from now.
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happens all the time... they will do anything if it benfits them.
But TAB, what you seem to ignore is that, in the case of "these people" what benefits them is a socialist nanny-state in which they, the intellectual-elite, control every aspect of the lives of "we the people". As Tom has pointed out, that cannot be done when "the sheep have teeth". Therefore, it would be impossible for Obama to be even slightly pro-gun. He might POSTURE himself to make it appear that he is (to those who are suffering from cranial-rectal insertion) but that posturing would be as misleading as his promises to post all bills online to allow the voters time to read them before they were voted upon. I seem to recall that promise in reference to the "stimulus" package that was then literally shoved down our throats in the dark of night.
The point is that, while he may want you to THINK that he supports 2A rights, nothing could be further from the truth. And as a result, that in itself is enough reason to NOT vote for him.
Any questions, grasshopper?