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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on August 17, 2009, 06:50:51 PM
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They forget about the open carry people that showed, just the one guy with an "AR" slung on his shoulder.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A4SU8G1&show_article=1
Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest
Aug 17 05:44 PM US/Eastern
By AMANDA LEE MYERS and TERRY TANG
Associated Press Writers Comments (110)
President Obama supporters and protestors gather outside the Phoenix Conven...
Man With Assault Rifle Joins Protesters Carrying Legal Firearms Near Obama Event
PHOENIX (AP) - About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday—the latest incidents in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.
INCIDENTS!!!(My Addition)
Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.
Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.
The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.
Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who was monitoring the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.
"Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."
Last week, during Obama's health care town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., a man carrying a sign reading "It is time to water the tree of liberty" stood outside with a pistol strapped to his leg.
"It's a political statement," he told The Boston Globe. "If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights."
Police asked the man to move away from school property, but he was not arrested.
Phoenix was Obama's last stop on a four-day tour of western states, including Montana and Colorado.
Authorities in Montana said Monday they received no reports of anyone carrying firearms during Obama's health care town hall near Bozeman on Friday. About 1,000 people both for and against Obama converged at a protest area near the Gallatin Field Airport hangar where the event took place. One person accused of disorderly conduct was detained and released, according to the Gallatin Airport Authority.
Heather Benjamin of Denver's Mesa County sheriff's department, the lead agency during Obama's visit there, said no one was arrested.
Arizona is an "open-carry" state, which means anyone legally allowed to have a firearm can carry it in public as long as it's visible. A permit is required if the weapon is carried concealed.
Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said people should not be allowed to bring guns to events where Obama is.
"To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."
He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.
A call to a Secret Service spokesman was not immediately returned Monday.
The National Rifle Association also did not return a call for comment.
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What?....
Honest, law-abiding citizens legally carrying guns in a group?....
Even with the POTUS and so many of his criminal minions running amok?
And no one was arrested?
CHILLING.....to say the least.
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Helmke made a very ominous comment about those who bring firearms to any event, including events where the president will be attending. I think we really should be careful that some "false-flag operation" could be sprung at one of those events to spark a move for more gun control laws. If anyone who is on this board goes to one of these events with their gun, they should really be wary of not only the police and federal law enforcement, but those unarmed citizens who just seem to want to start a fight over nothing......
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Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.
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Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.
And no bloodshed!
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Video here:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/17/video-people-bringing-assault-rifles-to-obama-rallies-now/
For the record, the guy with the AR was black. Who you calling a racist!?!?!
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Phoenix is calling my name as a new city to reside in. Good job to the police for making the proper decision.
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A wise man who taught me a lot about the constitution of the US and My own state gave some sage advice to me a long time ago, No matter how right you are ( constitutionally ) PICK YOUR BATTLES CAREFULLY These people have a lot of sand and I respect them for it, and so far Le, has been very cool. Guess that's why you don't have any kind of carry in Shitcago.
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I have heard, but not verified, that it was the media that was shocked and awed by this. That it was the media who called law enforcement about the Ar guy. That it was the media that couldn't understand open carry being legal.
The lapdog media has proven once again their utter lack of knowledge about firearms and firearms laws.
I wouldn't have expected anything less from the gun fearing wussies of the labdog media.
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I have to say, I am delighted that it was a black guy with the AR. I'm sorry, though not surprised, this wasn't mentioned. The thing is, the AR was overkill, but so are a lot of signs at these things. As long as they weren't in the town hall and understandably making SS twitchy, good for them. A bit over the top, but if everything is calm and organized its all a good thing.
FQ13
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I have to say, I am delighted that it was a black guy with the AR. I'm sorry, though not surprised, this wasn't mentioned. The thing is, the AR was overkill, but so are a lot of signs at these things. As long as they weren't in the town hall and understandably making SS twitchy, good for them. A bit over the top, but if everything is calm and organized its all a good thing.
FQ13
Why?
As one protester said - I am because I can.
A gun is a gun, a protest is a protest, a statement is a statement.
The man did was he both legally and Constitutionally was allowed to do, he made a statement to the world, no one was hurt, and no one was arrested.
Well done Phoenix!
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Makes me REALLY proud that one of the kids AND her husband are both Phoenix PD. ;D
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Used to live in Phoenix years ago....it's not the same place I left, but maybe it's time to think about going back.
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I have to say, I am delighted that it was a black guy with the AR. I'm sorry, though not surprised, this wasn't mentioned. The thing is, the AR was overkill, but so are a lot of signs at these things. As long as they weren't in the town hall and understandably making SS twitchy, good for them. A bit over the top, but if everything is calm and organized its all a good thing.
FQ13
FQ. They are SUPPOSED to fear the retribution of the people, that's the whole point of the 2A. The MAJORITY should be carrying rifles, and if a couple cannon are available, even better.
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??? What whas the difference with this rally and the hunter Joseph Calanchini with his rifle locked in a hard case who was cuffed and stuffed at a Denver hotel last summer because Nancy Pelosi was staying at that hotel prior the the Democrap Convention?
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All the protests you hear about that no one carries to, and there's ALWAYS someone arrested for causing trouble...... THIS protest, everybody carries a gun to, and NO ONE IS ARRESTED OR EVEN ATTEMPTED to cause any trouble?? Did that occur to anyone else??? Kinda makes the "Carrying guns makes the Wild West return" argument seem stupid, don't it??? ;D
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All the protests you hear about that no one carries to, and there's ALWAYS someone arrested for causing trouble...... THIS protest, everybody carries a gun to, and NO ONE IS ARRESTED OR EVEN ATTEMPTED to cause any trouble?? Did that occur to anyone else??? Kinda makes the "Carrying guns makes the Wild West return" argument seem stupid, don't it??? ;D
Not really, In the old west they tipped the hats to ladies, said "sir" and Ma'am", "please and thank you" and niether cut you off in traffic, (yes they had traffic) or flipped you the bird.
Seems to be several similarities. Just not the ones the socialists think of. ;D
??? What whas the difference with this rally and the hunter Joseph Calanchini with his rifle locked in a hard case who was cuffed and stuffed at a Denver hotel last summer because Nancy Pelosi was staying at that hotel prior the the Democrap Convention?
The Major difference is that Phoenix is an American city while Denver has long been a bastion of UN socialism.
Remember after the Grenada invasion there was talk of criminal charges against Denver's Rep. Pat Schroeder and Ron Brown for passing classified documents to the Marxist Govt, and submitting their report for approval before they sent it to Reagan.
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Video.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=81bc5a07-282c-4925-9062-fb8d542a4f02&cat=7a4d0629-234d-4cbb-8e0f-eefae344fb0a&src=front&title=Gun%20carrying%20protester:%20%27exercising%20my%20rights%27
Intelligent, well dressed and articulate gun owner, with an AR.
Who is a black man.. I think its great...Flies in the face of the anti's sterotype...
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I applaud all those that attended and acted with dignaty, especially those that were well-healed
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Outstanding Video TW !!!
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It is about time that WE start voicing our opinion and drawing a line in the sand!
I also applaud law enforcement and the SS for not over reacting.
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It is about time that WE start voicing our opinion and drawing a line in the sand!
I also applaud law enforcement and the SS for not over reacting.
Hear Hear!
I always think about MB telling of his conversation with a gay activist. The gay told MB "If we had your numbers we would have everything we want".
We need to be more 'out there' in the public being seen and heard!
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UPDATE: Huff Post & CNN declare the AR guy a plant
Yeah, and by that same reasoning anyone who made a sign ahead of time to bring with them is also a plant ::) Just because the guy and his friend came up with this form of demonstration ahead of time does not make it a publicity stunt! Do they really think that an AR is this guys everyday CCW ??? ;D
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html
[size=14pt]Man Who Brought Assault Rifle To Obama Rally Was Part Of Radio Stunt[/size]
On Monday, a dozen people packing heat -- including at least one man carrying a semi-automatic assault rifle -- were spotted at a pro-health care rally next to the convention where President Obama was speaking. While it appeared at the time to be a random incident, similar to several other gun sightings at health care events, it's become clear today that this time the gun show was at least partially planned.
The man with the semi-automatic (referred to in interviews as "Chris," no last name) was spotted at the protest by CNN news cameras, in the middle of a Q&A. Today, his interviewer -- Ernest Hancock of conservative talk radio show Declare Your Independence With Ernest Hancock -- went on CNN and explained to host Rick Sanchez that he and Chris were actually in the middle of a radio broadcast. Hancock, also packing heat at the rally, had invited Chris to come down the protest with his rifle to be interviewed. The two men had known each other for two years, through their work for presidential hopeful Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).
During the segment on CNN, Rick Sanchez said, "the more we look into this, the more it appears that it was really planned." Hancock concurred: "Oh, it's more planned than you think." In addition to scheduling the interview, Hancock had also informed the local police force.
As the interview continued, Rick Sanchez loudly exclaimed, "This was a publicity stunt!"
"Oh absolutely," Hancock responded.
Sanchez pushed on, "isn't there something terribly disingenuous about putting people on like that? And isn't there also something a little bit... dangerous about playing these kinda games--"
"Oh, it's not a game," Chris interjected.
"---with what I imagine is a loaded weapon," Sanchez continued.
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"We know what we're up against," Hancock continued. "We're up against a tyrannical government that will rob the next generation as long as they can get away with it."
Although Chris and Hancock were conducting their interview at a health care rally, their discussion focused on guns.
"Is it your advocacy that by having guns here we're probably all safer?" Hancock asked. Chris "absolutely" agreed. He then went on to explain how he was always armed, even when riding his motorcycle, though not always when he showered: "Sometimes when I take a shower I set it down on the sink."
Chris is also featured in a YouTube video produced by the libertarian group Freedom's Phoenix. In this video he expounds further on his right to bear arms. He also explains that he is "absolutely totally against health care... health care in this way, in this manner, stealing it from people. I don't think that's appropriate."
Despite being heavily-armed at all times, Chris didn't seem to have violent intentions. At the beginning of the video, someone asks Chris whether he plans to "water the tree of liberty." Chris responded, "I hope not."
This is a reference to a Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Another gun bearing protester in New Hampshire, William Kostric, was holding a sign with that same Jefferson quote. He apparently served as an inspiration to the two men. From Hancock's interview on CNN: "It was Thursday that I called and talked to Al Ramirez, the representative from the Phoenix police department, and we were discussing -- we've been around this rhetoric that was building up around William Kostric, who did this in New Hampshire."
*The fact that these guys called the local PD and gave them a heads up about what they were going to do is a wonderful example of how gun owners are in fact peaceful and responsible law abiding citizens.
*Someone needs to inform the ignorant left that ARs and SureFires are the modern day equivalent of pitchforks and torches!
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*Someone needs to inform the ignorant left that ARs and SureFires are the modern day equivalent of pitchforks and torches!
Good one....making a note of that for future use.
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Something else the state run media has forgotten about from the Bush years:
(http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/imheretokillbushsmall.jpg)
There are so many things I could say about this.... The Internet is just not big enough.
Dozens more Kill Bush signs here:
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
*Ahhhh the good old days ::)
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Something else the state run media has forgotten about from the Bush years:
Movie was made during a Cannes Film Festival during the Bush admin, and his assassination (as portrayed in the movie), was applauded.
But remember, Pelosi and Hillary like dissenters,.....