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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: True_Texan on August 17, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
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and it was GREAT. Smooth texture and taste, thick easily drawn smoke and a nice slow burn. The Shiner Bock was a perfect compliment to it. A Bottle Rocket may have been a little better with the extra burn time.
Before I sound even more stupid and completely crazy, I am talking about an America Constitution. It is one of the line of cigars made by CAO. The CAO America comes in 5 different sizes, the Constitution being a 6" x 50 ring gauge.
Description from their site:
Made with two American-grown wrappers, CAO America pays homage to our homeland. Combining Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro and Connecticut Shade wrappers in a truly eye-catching "pinstripe" effect, CAO America features a full-flavored taste profile that is as rich and bold as the legacy of our beloved country.
A Brazilian binder is complimented by 100% ligero tobaccos from Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Italy, and the United States. The global combination of tobaccos yields a full-bodied, straightforward flavor that is specifically tailored to the American aficionado seeking a cigar long on strength, finesse, and aesthetic appeal.
http://www.caocigars.com/ (I would have provided a better link but it is a flash based site so no direct link available.)
I am by no means an aficionado, but I have been getting into cigars a little heavier then before. I am a dip of snuff man normally but cigars have really caught hold of me.
So, as I sat in the back yard with few beers and a nice cigar earlier this evening, I got to wondering what some of the other brands and styles of cigars the members of DRTV enjoy. I know there is at least one cigar guy with Jaybet on here. I can always use a suggestion for direction to go on cigars seeing how there are so damn many to choose from and I can't afford to try them all.
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I traded in my cigars for the most part, but Upmanns were my favorite, smooth and nice, Macanudos were good too. I just didn't like the stale smoke smell that got into everything, I find a little dip to be easier if I want a little nicotine, but I will rarely turn an Uppman down.
FQ13
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Can't help you much on the cigars True, not a smoker anymore. I never was a big cigar smoker. I smoked quite a few boxes of Macanudos when I got on a brief cigar kick in my 30s. That was about the only brand that I smoked regularly. I tried a few others but they were not memorable.
I just couldn't bring myself to light anything called America Constitution. The entire time that I was smoking I would be thinking about burning the Constitution. I couldn't do it.
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I'm coming to hang out with you guys. I'm quite fond of Oliva cigars. Oliva V series in double toro, full body, smooth, and at a great price (why does it always come to that), have always been a favorite of mine. But recently I've taken to the lighter Oliva O's, more of a medium, and slightly spicy, but not over powering Nicaraguan smoke. Also enjoy Rocky Patel's, Decades are my favorite, but also take to the Sun Grown, Vintage, Reserve, and their seasonal offerings. I like other makers as well, but these are my staples. And I also enjoy smoking tobacco from a pipe also.
The key with cigars, that at least works for me is, try a wide range of different smokes, in different bodies and characteristics. I'd recommend Olivas, since they offer just that. Go with a medium to start you out for a while, then try a full and then mild smoke. After you find out what you want in a cigar, then branch out into other similar varieties from the various producers. But never be afraid to try something outside you comfort zone, I've found that my taste in smokes has changed somewhat over time.
And one more thing. I demand you pick up some bourbon to drink while smoking. ;D Go get a bottle of Jack, Gentleman or Single Barrel, for smoking occasions. And go buy a pipe, not close to the same thing as a cigar, but a nice, inexpensive, and well tolerated smoke.
http://www.olivacigar.com/cigars_oliva.aspx
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Can't help you much on the cigars True, not a smoker anymore. I never was a big cigar smoker. I smoked a quite a few boxes of Macanudos when I got on a brief cigar kick in my 30s. That was about the only brand that I smoked regularly. I tried a few others but they were not memorable.
I just couldn't bring myself to light anything called America Constitution. The entire time that I was smoking I would be thinking about burning the Constitution. I couldn't do it.
Thought about that too Kid, but at the same time I was thinking about the fact that I have (for now at least) the right to sit out in my own backyard and smoke a nice cigar. The gubmint has already put their stamp of disapproval on it with their warning BS. I just tag it under one of the other "Freedom Documents" as the pursuit of MY happiness.
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And one more thing. I demand you pick up some bourbon to drink while smoking. ;D Go get a bottle of Jack, Gentleman or Single Barrel, for smoking occasions. And go buy a pipe, not close to the same thing as a cigar, but a nice, inexpensive, and well tolerated smoke.
No worries about that Bryan. Wild Turkey 101, Jim Beam- Black and Jack D. are most definitely enjoyed with my occasional smoke times. It was just the fact that it was still 100ยบ outside and a cold beer sounded better. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoBmCl-q_54
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And one more thing. I demand you pick up some bourbon to drink while smoking. ;D Go get a bottle of Jack, Gentleman or Single Barrel, for smoking occasions. And go buy a pipe, not close to the same thing as a cigar, but a nice, inexpensive, and well tolerated smoke.
http://www.olivacigar.com/cigars_oliva.aspx
Agree on the pipe thing and everyone likes the smell. On the bourbon bit, you sir are a heretic. Nice dark rum is the way to go. I like Cruzan Single Barrel or better yet Barban Court.
FQ13
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Agree on the pipe thing and everyone likes the smell. On the bourbon bit, you sir are a heretic. Nice dark rum is the way to go. I like Cruzan Single Barrel or better yet Barban Court.
FQ13
Crown Royal. ;)
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Agree on the pipe thing and everyone likes the smell. On the bourbon bit, you sir are a heretic. Nice dark rum is the way to go. I like Cruzan Single Barrel or better yet Barban Court.
FQ13
Damn East coast pirate wannabees. ;D But, you did live in Texas once, so now I'm going to have to buy some. ;)
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With cigars? ;D
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Gave up the Nicotine 4/5 years now. Just pulling chains.ENJOY IT ALL WHILE YOU CAN DON'T LET OBO CARE GET YOU VICE UP NOW
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I'm coming to hang out with you guys. I'm quite fond of Oliva cigars. Oliva V series in double toro, full body, smooth, and at a great price (why does it always come to that), have always been a favorite of mine. But recently I've taken to the lighter Oliva O's, more of a medium, and slightly spicy, but not over powering Nicaraguan smoke. Also enjoy Rocky Patel's, Decades are my favorite, but also take to the Sun Grown, Vintage, Reserve, and their seasonal offerings. I like other makers as well, but these are my staples. And I also enjoy smoking tobacco from a pipe also.
The key with cigars, that at least works for me is, try a wide range of different smokes, in different bodies and characteristics. I'd recommend Olivas, since they offer just that. Go with a medium to start you out for a while, then try a full and then mild smoke. After you find out what you want in a cigar, then branch out into other similar varieties from the various producers. But never be afraid to try something outside you comfort zone, I've found that my taste in smokes has changed somewhat over time.
And one more thing. I demand you pick up some bourbon to drink while smoking. ;D Go get a bottle of Jack, Gentleman or Single Barrel, for smoking occasions. And go buy a pipe, not close to the same thing as a cigar, but a nice, inexpensive, and well tolerated smoke.
http://www.olivacigar.com/cigars_oliva.aspx
Jack isn't Bourbon.
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Makers Mark, JW Dant, IW Harper, Wild Turkey (101 of course!)
Actually back in my HARD drinking days it was Grand Dad and a splash. About a qt a night!
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Jack isn't Bourbon.
You are correct Sir....JD is Tennesee Whiskey...
Bourbon is America's native spirit, but with a history and tradition steeped in the cultures of the earliest settlers. This unique American product has continually evolved and been refined over the past 200 plus years. Among the first settlers who brought their whiskey making traditions to this country were Scotch-Irish of Western Pennsylvania. Although whiskey was produced throughout the colonies (George Washington was among the noted whiskey producers of the time), these settlers of Pennsylvania are where bourbon roots began.
To help finance the revolution, the Continental Congress put a tax on whiskey production. So incensed were the settlers of Western Pennsylvania that they refused to pay. To restore order to the ensuing "Whiskey Rebellion" of 1791 to 1794, Washington was forced to send the Continental Army to quell the uprising. This turned out not to be as easy as Washington thought it might be. To save the government from a potentially embarrassing political situation and to avoid further troubles with the very tough and stubborn Scotch-Irish settlers, Washington made a settlement with them, giving incentives for those who would move to Kentucky (at that time part of Virginia). The significance of this is that the early whiskey was made primarily from rye, this was about to change with their move and "Bourbon" would be born.
The Governor of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson, offered pioneers sixty acres of land in Kentucky if they would build a permanent structure and raise "native corn". No family could eat sixty acres worth of corn a year and it was too perishable and bulky to transport for sale; if it were turned into whiskey, both problems would evaporate.
This corn based whiskey, which was a clear distillate, would become "bourbon" only after two coincidentally related events happened. The French, having at that time their own territories in North America, assisted in the War of Independence against the British. In acknowledgment of this, French names were subsequently used for new settlements or counties. In the Western part of Virginia, the then county of Kentucky, was subdivided in 1780 and again in 1786. One of these subdivisions was named Bourbon County, after the French Royal House. Kentucky became a state in 1792 and Bourbon one of its counties.
Although Evan Williams, in 1783, might have been the first commercial distiller in Louisville, Bourbon is sometimes considered to have begun with the Reverend Elijah Craig from Bourbon County. The legend goes that he was a might thrifty and used old barrels to transport his whiskey to market in New Orleans. He charred the barrels before filling them, thus after his whiskey made the long trip to market, it had "mellowed" and taken on a light caramel color from the oak. Being from Bourbon County he started calling the whiskey "Bourbon". Interestingly today, there is no whiskey produced in Bourbon County.
In 1964, a congressional resolution protected the term "Bourbon" and only since then has the product been defined. The basic elements of Bourbon are that it must be a minimum of two years old, distilled under 160 proof, and be made from a mash of at least 51% corn. It must be aged in charred new oak barrels. Though the law does not stipulate origin, 99% of Bourbon Whiskey comes from Kentucky. Most consider the unique limestone spring water found in Kentucky the only water with that "just right" combination of minerals suitable enough for the finest Bourbons.
The next stage for the Bourbon producers is how the elements of production, storage, aging and bottling are handled.
Our wonderfully varied selections of premium Bourbons vary in style, philosophy and approach to production. If the mix of small grains in the mash changes, or the yeast strain used is different, the product changes also. Many distill and age their whiskey at a different proof. Some crack the corn, some roll it. There are those that pay attention to every detail from the growing and preparation of the grain to the proper rack house barrel rotation. In all of our premium bourbons you can find a unique point of difference and it is these subtle differences in the end product that beg study and comparison.