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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Pathfinder on September 10, 2009, 10:01:42 PM
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On Lucianne.com, a reminder and a look back:
http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=493064 (http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=493064)
From 9/14/01:
http://www.lucianne.com/article/?pageid=8YearsAgoNow (http://www.lucianne.com/article/?pageid=8YearsAgoNow)
And a reminder from Path - hang your flag with pride today the 11th. Send that message.
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I remember that day well...
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I, for one, will never forget!
Honors to all who died that day, their only goal was to go to work and provide for their families.
I offer my undying appreciation to those who have given their lives defending us.
A heartfelt thank you to the brave men and women who server and protect us.
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Is another 9/11 set to unfold?
By Lee Benson
By happenstance, I read a book written by Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter James B. Stewart.
"Heart of a Soldier" tells the story of two men who, well before it happened, foretold not only of the terrorist attack of 9/11 but also the 1993 bombing in the World Trade Center parking garage that preceded it.
One of the men, Rick Rescorla, was chief of security for Morgan Stanley with an office in the World Trade Center. He died on 9/11, but not before he shepherded all but six of Morgan Stanley's 2,700 employees to safety because of a well-prepared and well-executed evacuation plan. He'd have made it out, too, had he not gone back in the building looking for those six.
The other man, Daniel J. Hill, is still alive.
With another Sept. 11 approaching I wanted to talk to The Man Who Predicted 9/11.
Although the primary focus in Stewart's book is on Rescorla — a bona fide hero for his actions on 9/11 — I found Hill to be an even more fascinating character.
It was Hill who converted to Islam as a young U.S. Army paratrooper stationed in Beirut in 1958. It was Hill who learned fluent Arabic. It was Hill who joined the Mujahedeen Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan and fought the Soviet invasion there in the 1980s. It was Hill who personally met Osama bin Laden. It was Hill who used information from Islamic extremists to warn Rescorla that terrorists would use the underground parking garage for a car bomb attack on the World Trade Center. It was Hill who asked the U.S. government to assist him in an assassination attempt on bin Laden in 1998 (the request was rejected). And it was Hill who warned the FBI just weeks before Sept. 11, 2001, that his Mideast contacts told him "something big" was about to happen in the United States, in New York, Washington, D.C., or Philadelphia — maybe all three.
Through the Internet I managed to contact Hill at his home in Florida. He's 71 now. I asked him if his reputation as a terrorism prognosticator without parallel has changed his life much.
"Oh, that blew over pretty fast," he said. "Most of the people even in my hometown don't know any of that stuff."
He didn't want to talk about the past. He wanted to talk about the future.
The very near future.
The man who predicted 9/11 is worried that its sequel is imminent.
"Muslims that I talk to say things like, 'America thinks they're safe now. They've forgotten about 9/11. But watch, Daniel. Stay near your TV. It's going to be bigger than 9/11,' " he said.
Hill said the next terrorist attack will involve suitcase nuclear bombs that will be detonated in small, low-flying two-seater private airplanes manned by men hanging onto the belief that, like the 9/11 hijackers, they are about to die as martyrs and enter paradise.
He is not alone in suggesting such a scenario. A 2007 book, "The Day of Islam," spells out the details, as do any number of Internet sites about a plot called "American Hiroshima."
The nukes, he said, will be detonated over New York, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Miami, Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles.
I asked Hill, "Why now?"
"Eight years from 1993 to 2001, eight years from that 9/11 to this 9/11," he said. "Symbolism. They're big on symbolism."
"Ramadan started two weeks ago Saturday," he said, referring to the Muslim holy month of fasting. "It always hits around Ramadan."
Eight years ago, Hill predicted the attack would come on Oct. 16 — almost in the middle of that year's Ramadan (the timing of Ramadan varies from year to year). He was about a month off.
"I don't know the second, hour or day. I just know they have the means, will, motivation and desire to do it," he said, noting that it's believed that years ago the suitcase nukes, acquired from former USSR operatives, were smuggled into America across the Mexican border.
Hill said he has warned the FBI, the CIA and others in government. For the past two years, he's sent out proposals for a book on the subject. All he's gotten back are rejections.
"To most people, I am a deviant personality," he said.
But there's no arguing his credentials.
"I'm a Muslim," he says. "I'm a special ops expert, I'm a terrorist and I've lived among Muslims. I fought the Russians with the same guys we're now fighting in Afghanistan. I met Osama. I volunteered to assassinate him. I know (the enemy) so well because I've worked, slept and prayed alongside them for years. I've become one of them. I know their nature, I know their culture, I know how they think. I can quote the Koran like a Southern Baptist minister can quote the New Testament. I know these are people who do not tire, who do not quit. There are odds this won't happen, but they aren't big odds."
"I hope you're wrong," I told him.
"Yeah. I hope so, too," he said.
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I was stuck at an airport all day....
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I remember that day well...
+1 on that.....
I guess it's like the generation before me where people like my dad can still tell you exactly what he was doing at the moment the news of JFK's death came in.
September 11, 2001.......... I was just getting back into the swing of things at work after being off for my marriage, and had that 'newlywed' state of mind going on. I was downloading software updates and programs into Allen-Bradley touchscreen panels when my boss (a retired USAF Chief MSgt) came bounding up the stairs into the engineering offices and grabbed me by the arm and saying "You ain't gonna believe what's happening!".......... we didn't get anything else done that day.
Please say a special prayer for the survivors of those devastating attacks....and for the families of all those that were lost....... and for our Great Nation, that it may never forget the events that changed us forever that day.
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That morning I woke up about 1100 hrs after working Security for the State Capitol the night before. When I turned on the radio, I thought it was an annivery of the '93 attack, until I got up and turned the TV on. I just sat there and watched and then called all my family.
After a while I wandered down to Gun City to look at Glocks. (Think that was there busiest day ever.)
That was a bad day :'(
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I was in transit to work, never watched the news getting ready, did not have a radio on the way to work. Heard something about a plane crash in NY in the elevator, but it wasn't until I fired the computer up and FoxNews website came up (homepage) - after taking a very long time - that I knew the extent of the attack. I'd like to say I felt sorrow for the people on the planes or in the buildings, but all I felt that day was rage - a rage that quieted over the years but never really left. The sorrow came later.
No work was done that day, and the company sent us all home early due to the threat of additional attacks - I was in downtown Chicago a few blocks from the Sears Tower. When I got home, I checked for my son who was still at school, then loaded up magazines (illegal at that time in that town - well over 10 rounds) and stationed a weapon near each door.
I put my flag out after "securing" the house, and had to jerry-rig a half-staff. My neighbor asked if we were supposed to do that. I simply told her I didn't need anyone to tell me to do that to show my respect for the dead and my patriotism. She immediately hung hers out.
I realized at that point that I needed to go shopping for food, we were short, I usually went on after the sale flyers came out Wednesdays.
That was the day I became a prepper.
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I am only gonna post once in this thread, but I do have something that I would like to say....
1st of all, I would like to take this opportunity to tell Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Barbara Boxer, George Soros, Keith Olbermann, Chris Mathews, Rachel Maddow, and all those other traitors that wake up each morning and actively try to undermine our country that you can all go to hell! >:( >:( >:(
2nd, "National Day of Service" ??? How about we make this "National Kill a Terrorist Day"? I personally would love to get a one day pass to go over to the sand box and do some trophy hunting!
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GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Quote of the day:
"Democracy is not a spectator sport"
-Unknown
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It changed our country forever. I honor those who perished, and remember the heros who never came home.
I was on my way to work when the radio broke the news. A day we shall never forget.
Proud to be an American!!
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I was asleep in bed with the flu. My phone kept ringing and woke me up. It was my cousin asking if I could believe what was going on? I turned on the tv and couldn't believe what I was seeing. A jetliner had crashed into one of the towers. The second happened while we were on the phone. I was in the twilight zone.............
May God bless those who fell that day and thier familys. May God bless our military and those who are trying to make sure it never happens again and those of us who support them.
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We shall always remember.
I was to be there that day, 67th floor, tower 2. At the last minute the day before I corrected the issue and was told I did not have to be there on Tuesday. There were 2 people on the planes that I had worked with. I was unaware at home in CT in the basement doing some work. My wife had just headed to town with our 1 month old son to get some things. She called and told me since she had turned on the radio. That day was the day we made the decision to leave New England and return home to Montana, doing whatever needed to get done to get out.
-Bidah
P.S. My family also remembers December 7th. Both of my Uncles were transferred off of the Arizona days before Pearl Harbor. I am starting to see a family theme here. :)
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We shall always remember.
I was to be there that day, 67th floor, tower 2. At the last minute the day before I corrected the issue and was told I did not have to be there on Tuesday. There were 2 people on the planes that I had worked with. I was unaware at home in CT in the basement doing some work. My wife had just headed to town with our 1 month old son to get some things. She called and told me since she had turned on the radio. That day was the day we made the decision to leave New England and return home to Montana, doing whatever needed to get done to get out.
-Bidah
P.S. My family also remembers December 7th. Both of my Uncles were transferred off of the Arizona days before Pearl Harbor. I am starting to see a family theme here. :)
Looks more like a family blessing!
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:'(
Ten Char
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From History.com
http://www.history.com/video.do?name=911&bcpid=1758282190&bclid=1773232918&bctid=1773163075
http://www.history.com/content/9-11/102-minutes
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It was pretty surreal to watch on TV. I'm pretty sure our Leaders knew of this coming. Our aggressive arrogance, VS with their hate for us. Matter of when. This has been simmering for decades. Still, neither the Repos or the Demos has found the bad guys. Why haven't they secured our borders, and they just keep inventing mechanisms to restrict citizens freedoms, not get B/L. If all this scanning and screening is safety and security, I'll take danger any day .
With all those Predators flying around, they haven't a clue where B/L is? The blimps, cameras, their intelligence, soothsayers and journalists can't find The New Madhi? Islam's mighty warrior? Nice puzzle, should take decades.
Is Bin Laden a CIA asset, that sold his own people out? The USA issued citizenship and flight training for his followers. Flew his Brother out, only flight out that day. Our nations security failed, because they were told to stand down due to a drill? To many questions linger, now the firefighters are coming out, the ones still alive. Questions.
America needs closure, we need to find out whether foreign and or domestic enemies had anything to do this mass murder, we must know what really happened. It has affected our Constitution and Bill of Rights, ruined us financially, and forced our children into perpetual, un-payable debt. Have they kept us safe from our attackers? Who are our attackers? The only ones that have profited from this is the Govt, Banks, military contractors, biotech and security firms.
The American citizen has lost. Our people were murdered that day and everyday takes a soldier. We must know exactly what happened that day or we will not be able to climb out of our state of limbo, and focus on healing.
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I still cry over this day, and those who died and those who risked their lives. Im not ashamed to say that. GOD BLESS them and theirs.
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From Day by Day:
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I use to stay at the Vista hotel at the WTC when I did threat assements. We did a bunch of training for FDNY HAZMAT and NYPD EMS. My boss brother was hurt clearing rubble at the World Trade center as part of his job as a fire fighter.
I made a trip to Fresh Kills teach police detectives about PPE as they sifted for body parts.
So Woody put a sock for today.
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I use to stay at the Vista hotel at the WTC when I did threat assements. We did a bunch of training for FDNY HAZMAT and NYPD EMS. My boss brother was hurt clearing rubble at the World Trade center as part of his job as a fire fighter.
I made a trip to Fresh Kills teach police detectives about PPE as they sifted for body parts.
So Woody put a sock for today.
Should read SO WOODY PUT A SOCK IN IT TODAY..Please
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In order to maintain my train of thought I'm going to insert MY comments in Woody's post;
It was pretty surreal to watch on TV. I'm pretty sure our Leaders knew of this coming. ( If you mean THIS specific plot, you are a tin foil idiot, if you mean "Something" I'll get to that ) Our aggressive arrogance, ( This "Blame America BS has no factual bearing, and is nothing more than socialist propaganda, don't s-pew that crap around here )VS with their hate for us.( This, while actually true also has no bearing, if you pay any attention to the writings and speaches of the Jihadists, you will find they hate EVERYBODY ) Matter of when. This has been simmering for decades. Still, neither the Repos or the Demos has found the bad guys. Why haven't they secured our borders, and they just keep inventing mechanisms to restrict citizens freedoms, not get B/L. If all this scanning and screening is safety and security, I'll take danger any day .( The first Presidential Order authorizing the killing of Usama Bin Laden was signed by Bill Clinton. The problem, generaly speaking, has not been in locating him, but in getting the lawyers and faggot diplomats to sign off on a given operation in a timely enough manner for it to succeed before the Politicians and the treasonous press can broadcast it to the world )
With all those Predators flying around, they haven't a clue where B/L is? The blimps, cameras, their intelligence, soothsayers and journalists can't find The New Madhi? Islam's mighty warrior? Nice puzzle, should take decades. ( It was alot easier to track him before the treasonous press revealed that US intelligence could locate and monitor Cell phones, now most targets communicate by sending messages by runner. NOTE, I find your phrase "New Mahdi" interesting, the similarities are there. )
Is Bin Laden a CIA asset,( Not the way you mean it, During the "Anti Soviet Jihad we poured money into the Pakistani ISI, their intelligence out fit, and then they distributed it as they saw fit, often to anti western, Wahabi dominated groups such as those associated with BL. He and the CIA both wanted Soviets going home in body bags, to that extent yes he was an asset, did he have DIRECT ties to the CIA, NO, his ties were to the Pak ISI and SAUDI Intelligence, where his "handler/contact" was Prince Turki, the current Saudi Ambassador to the US, The man who brokered the deal for the Saudi's to pay BL $3 Mil. in exchange for him not causing trouble for the Royal Family) that sold his own people out? (No, "His people" are the followers of the fanatic Wahabi branch of Islam, he has been true to their beliefs ) The USA issued citizenship and flight training for his followers. ( PURE BS. Due to typical Govt. inefficiency the highjackers were allowed to come to this country, mostly on student visas, I do not offhand remember ANY of the 19 being US citizens, as to the flight training, it was not ISSUED, it was bought and paid for, just like any other special training you might want in a FREE country.) Flew his Brother out, only flight out that day.( Flew out a whole plane load of Bin Laden relatives and other Saudis, because they would probably have been killed other wise, don't be the type of fool that thinks all Muslims agree with the fanatics, just like our own civil war, this conflict is tearing apart families, the rest of the Bin Laden clan are very happy being billionaires in fact the family disowned UBL because his fanaticism was causing them problems. Following the Wahabi teachings is a personal choice ) Our nations security failed, because they were told to stand down due to a drill? To many questions linger, now the firefighters are coming out, the ones still alive. Questions.
America needs closure, we need to find out whether foreign and or domestic enemies had anything to do this mass murder, we must know what really happened. It has affected our Constitution and Bill of Rights, ruined us financially, and forced our children into perpetual, un-payable debt. Have they kept us safe from our attackers? Who are our attackers? The only ones that have profited from this is the Govt, Banks, military contractors, biotech and security firms.
The American citizen has lost. Our people were murdered that day and everyday takes a soldier. We must know exactly what happened that day or we will not be able to climb out of our state of limbo, and focus on healing.
The rest of your post is pure ignorant tinfoil paranoia. The sort of stupid crap spouted by slime like Ward Churchill and Rosie O'Donut, if you REALLY believe that, you are no better than they are.
The reason America's security failed on 9-11-01 was because the liberals, primarily Democrats, had been cutting the budgets and capabilities of both the military and intelligence communities for 40 years to fund welfare give aways to drones. The nearest air defense aircraft were on the ground in Mass. and Fl. because all the other East Coast air bases have been closed, the CIA was caught off guard because they are not able to fund actual on the ground, human spies, and the few we can get are CONGRESSIONALLY required to be the type of saints that are not going to be told what the bad guys are thinking. Satellites can't answer THAT, but heaven forbid the US should dirty it's hands by dealing with the types of scum bags who COULD give us the information we need. And despite the treasonous meddling of 2 faced liars like Pelosi, the actions of George W. Bush and our American troops HAS kept us safe. It was not American buses that were blown up, it was not American trains that were blown up, it was not American night clubs or Hotels that were blown up.
The only other thing I can add is to echo Ratcatcher, Put a sock in the stupid sh!t.
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Has anyone heard anything about 9/11 being somehow renamed after Teddy Kennedy? I received a disturbing email from someone in NYC that mentioned that. It's bad enough it's been co-opted into a "green" service holiday, but WTF - Kennedy?
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Has anyone heard anything about 9/11 being somehow renamed after Teddy Kennedy? I received a disturbing email from someone in NYC that mentioned that. It's bad enough it's been co-opted into a "green" service holiday, but WTF - Kennedy?
No Way......Say it ain't so Path. No one is that stupid!
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I never knew it was "Community Service Day", according to BHO, he made it sound like I should be picking up trash at the beach today.
My flag, (new one BTW), has flown since that day, and everyday since.
I will NOT respond to Woody's comment, thank you to those who did.
My memories on Ocean Isle Beach, NC, making a service call, watching a 13" TV with "rabbit ear" reception on CBS, because it was the only channel I could get, changed my very life and perspective of the future for my family and this countries future.
I heard it on the radio driving down, but even with crappy reception, I sat alone in the salon of that yacht and cried, got scared, got pissed all at once. It is a feeling I will never forget.
My boss called, said to make the decision whether to finish the repair, or get back home, as no one knew how much more was or was not coming.
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Tough day 8 years later, I'm afraid the wound inflicted on this day, will not heal for myself, the families, or this country, for a long time.
For those on Flight 93, THEY set a precedent that will never be forgotten, and in that terrible instant, knowing the consequences, were welcomed into the hands of God for their brave actions. The ultimate sacrifice by men like Todd Beamer and others, that represent the best of America. For them, "We Still Roll".
God Bless All the Victims and their families, and despite a "Community Service Day", God Bless This Country.
"and that's all I've got to say about that."
Forrest Gump.
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Language to designate 9/11 as a National Day of Service and Remembrance has
been included as an important provision in the Generations Invigorating
Volunteerism and Education Act, or GIVE Act, (H.R. 1388), which was introduced
today and authorizes groundbreaking federal support for many innovative
national service programs. Under the GIVE Act, the anniversary of 9/11 would
be observed in ways similar to Martin Luther King Day. People would
voluntarily engage in remembrance through personal and organized service
activities and reflection, but 9/11 would not become a federal holiday. U.S.
Senator Charles Schumer (NY) and U.S. Rep. Peter King (NY-3), both of whom
have long supported establishing 9/11 as a national day of service, worked
with GIVE Act sponsors U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (NY-04) and U.S. Rep. George
Miller (CA-07), Chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, to
develop the 9/11 language for the bill.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS199541+10-Mar-2009+PRN20090310
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I know I'll never forget. After watching the T.V. for awhile, I remembered my friend was archery hunting elk in Colorado. His gun shop was only being manned by 1 guy. I figured I would swing by to help him out. The place was a madhouse and he was grateful for any assistance he could get.
This day needs to be remembered for what it really was.
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Some comparisons,
America has often been arrogant,..
BHO.
After the chaos and carnage of September 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers.
George W. Bush
Pick an apology tour quote from BHO,
America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.
George W. Bush
America is Not a Christian Nation,..
BHO,,,
Do I think faith will be an important part of being a good president? Yes, I do.
George W. Bush
Bring them on.
George W. Bush
I will close Gitmo within a year.
BHO
Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended.
George W. Bush
See a pattern????
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I spent the day trying not to think about it.....esp. considering all the things that haven't been done (and have been done wrongly) since....it builds up a lot of rage inside me....
....explain to me why Iran and Syria still exist?....
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I spent the day trying not to think about it.....esp. considering all the things that haven't been done (and have been done wrongly) since....it builds up a lot of rage inside me....
....explain to me why Iran and Syria still exist?....
That's an EASY one !, Congress is composed of a bunch of gutless cowards who are afraid of angering fearsome forces like France (the only country to lose a war to Mexico ). We should thank our lucky stars that G.W.Bush actually bullied those sissies into striking Afghanistan.